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Postby maguskwt » Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:33 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:59 am wrote:
aCe' » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:48 pm wrote:What he said was:

"It's very important [to keep him], he's a top player, he's been here for seven years now, he's one of the fans' favourites," the 33 year-old told ESPN.

"He shows passion and commitment every time he plays. It might be one of those situations where it's not in Daniel's hands, and it's up to the owners at the end of the day.

"The manager has gone on record and said that every player has got his price, so we'll have to wait and see, but of course if you ask me I want him to stay. I want all our best players to stay."

Seems like Agger wanting to stay and the manager wanting to sell from what Gerrard is saying. Would be very disappointed if thats the case.


it`s not in daniel`s hands? i thought agger wanted to go, that sounds like the club are selling him against his will!
that is f##king outrageous if we essentially cash in on one of our best players when he wants to stay.
why are we selling agger? to raise the funds to bring in someone else nowhere near as good?
that is the epitome of a selling club.


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Postby Benny The Noon » Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:21 am

Is it owner and out for Daniel Agger?
by Gareth Roberts

“It might be one of those situations where it’s not in Daniel’s hands, and it’s up to the owners at the end of the day.

“The manager has gone on record and said that every player has got his price, so we’ll have to wait and see, but of course if you ask me I want him to stay. I want all our best players to stay.”

IF Daniel Agger is sold, it could be the vanishing point; the point where the lines of economics and football blur, converge and disappear into the sunset.

The ‘every player has his price’ line from Brendan Rodgers may well be true – but it’s not what fans want to hear. Especially when the player in question is a key one like Agger.

OK, he’s 27. Yes, he’s only made 119 appearances in seven years in the league. But regardless, he’s Liverpool’s most accomplished centre half, and one of the best in Europe as his performances at the Euros underlined.

Agger’s not just another defender. He’s a left-footed playmaker – a Rolls Royce of a defender and the type that aren’t readily available. That’s the reason Manchester City have offered what they have offered. He’s an influential proven Premier League performer. He provides balance in the Liverpool defence and his presence lifts the performances of players around him – especially Martin Skrtel. When those two are in tandem at the centre of defence, the back four looks settled and confident. That’s a base to build things on – why undermine it?

Also, despite being labelled a crock, it was only the 2007/8 season when Agger’s appearances in a season for club and country have dipped below 30. Then he managed just eight through injury. Last season it was 39, the season before 42, 32 in 08/09 and 49 in 06/07. The last two seasons Agger has played more games than Steven Gerrard. Would the club consider selling the skipper if the right offer came along?

If Liverpool take the cash – and the ecomomic model Fenway seem to be following certainly suggests they will - will Brendan Rodgers end up with an adequate replacement of the same standard? And if that player exists why haven’t City bought him?

Or will it be another young player – a player liable to make mistakes, a player that might grow into the role eventually but isn’t ready for the here and now?

Any player will need time to settle and time to build an understanding with the players around them. Frankly, with the first Premier League match a week away, Liverpool don’t have that time. The Moneyball/Soccernomics/Lyon approach makes a lot of sense but following the model so rigidly that it allows one of your best players to leave the club in his prime when the team is in transition doesn’t. The key is to have a younger back-up knocking at the door when the time comes to sell your top player.

The back ups already on the books just don’t pull the strings like Agger does. The jury is still out on Sebastian Coates (21), Martin Kelly (22) is a prospect but inexperienced at centre half at the top level and Jamie Carragher (34) is at the wrong end of his career and with an entirely different style to Agger.

Selling Agger just seems like creating another problem for a new manager who already has plenty on his plate. Liverpool need less problems, not more.

Tellingly, the manager has said he wants to him stay. The player wants to stay. Yet Gerrard – with the quote above – is hinting that it is the boardroom that want to sell up if the price tag is met. Is £25-£27m THAT much? Cynics would say it’s just enough to cover the fees for Fabio Borini and Joe Allen…

And once that cheque is banked, won’t Liverpool suffer from the same age-old problem that has plagued them through the eras: clubs will know there’s money to be spent and a squad to be improved and prices will be ramped up accordingly when Liverpool come knocking.

It could be a false economy. Agger seems a perfect fit for what Rodgers is trying to do with the side and Liverpool have made the mistake many times in the past of opting for numbers in the squad rather than quality on the pitch. Yes, that fee for Agger could bring in two or three players. But how good will they be from the get go? How influential will they be by the end of the month?

There’s also the PR aspect. What message will selling Agger send out? That an economic model is triumphing over football sense? That Liverpool’s players are ripe for the picking? That the club can no longer bat away offers from modern football’s ‘big boys’?

In this instance, football should triumph over economics.

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Postby Kenny Kan » Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:35 am

In this instance, football should triumph over economics.


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Postby The Raven » Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:13 am

This comes down to two things.

Money and what will be done with it.

If city offer a stupid amount for him, we will take it. However its what happens to the money once we have it that worrries me. Will we play out the whole "agger paid for Borini and Allen" therfore that money wopnt be spent and it will simply be put back in to offset the buys.

FSG have to see that for the first 3 years this model wont work. They have to put money in to move us up so we can earn money,

On the other hand if agger is sold and B rod gets the cash atleast he will be able to get more players that he wants in.
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:09 pm

rodgers needs to start living up to those big words of his in his first press conference.
he has got to tell the owners he is trying to build a team here and he cant afford to lose any key players, especially to one of the clubs we are competing against for a top 4 spot.
bill shankly had to fight tooth and nail to get control of footballing matters from the liverpool board of the late 50`s, he threatened to resign on many occassions, if he had gone along with the wishes of the board we`d still be in the second division now.
i thought this speculation about agger wanting to leave was down to him being unhappy, if he is happy here he should stay, you dont sell your best players if you want to win things.
how ironic would it be if one of our best players who has been here 7 years and is liverpool through and through gets sold against his will by our owners just as he gets ynwa tattoo`ed across his knuckles, that would sum up modern football for me.
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Postby Simari » Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:06 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:09 pm wrote:rodgers needs to start living up to those big words of his in his first press conference.
he has got to tell the owners he is trying to build a team here and he cant afford to lose any key players, especially to one of the clubs we are competing against for a top 4 spot.
bill shankly had to fight tooth and nail to get control of footballing matters from the liverpool board of the late 50`s, he threatened to resign on many occassions, if he had gone along with the wishes of the board we`d still be in the second division now.
i thought this speculation about agger wanting to leave was down to him being unhappy, if he is happy here he should stay, you dont sell your best players if you want to win things.
how ironic would it be if one of our best players who has been here 7 years and is liverpool through and through gets sold against his will by our owners just as he gets ynwa tattoo`ed across his knuckles, that would sum up modern football for me.


Completely agree with you here. If there ever was a defender to fit BRs style, it would be Agger. To lose him would be a dagger to the heart. I cannot see us selling to strengthen a premiership side who are challenging for the same honors as us.

I strongly believe though that BR will stick to his guns and he won't be sold to City.
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Postby C-R » Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:14 pm

Not in squad for Leverkusen, hmmm, injured or on his way out?
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Postby bowolf42 » Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:53 pm

cardiff-red » Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:14 pm wrote:Not in squad for Leverkusen, hmmm, injured or on his way out?


Gutted, absolutely gutted if he's sold

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Postby redalltheway36 » Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:55 pm

The Raven » Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:13 am wrote:This comes down to two things.

Money and what will be done with it.

If city offer a stupid amount for him, we will take it. However its what happens to the money once we have it that worrries me. Will we play out the whole "agger paid for Borini and Allen" therfore that money wopnt be spent and it will simply be put back in to offset the buys.

FSG have to see that for the first 3 years this model wont work. They have to put money in to move us up so we can earn money,

On the other hand if agger is sold and B rod gets the cash atleast he will be able to get more players that he wants in.

i know what will happen citeh pay 25million for agger brendan goes back to swansea pays 10million for williams 15million left payed for Allen total spend ZERO.
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Postby ethanr » Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:55 pm

Why start him when season starts next week if we consider him injury prone?  Rest our CB's so they can start the season ready to go come next weekend.

Borini's not in the squad either.  We must be selling him then too.  As well as Glen Johnson....
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Postby redalltheway36 » Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:11 pm

look ever since FSG took over. They have always looked for young players and a young manager. look how they treated kenny. Agger  aquilani  bellamy maxi kuyt. Saying that Dempsey 29 so dont know how that would go down. At the end of day if citeh offer 25million hes gone simple as that which is a stupid mistake.
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Postby ethanr » Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:45 pm

But people like to act like there's only 2 reasons he's not in the squad- injury or he's being sold, when in reality him not being in the squad has nothing to do with whether he'll be staying or not. 

Too many people are freaking out acting like every little thing we do as a club is in response to whether Agger is going.  If a huge offer comes in, he's probably gone.  If it doesn't, he's probably not.  Other than sit and wait there's not much else we can do.
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Postby redalltheway36 » Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:39 pm

ethanr » Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:45 pm wrote:But people like to act like there's only 2 reasons he's not in the squad- injury or he's being sold, when in reality him not being in the squad has nothing to do with whether he'll be staying or not. 

Too many people are freaking out acting like every little thing we do as a club is in response to whether Agger is going.  If a huge offer comes in, he's probably gone.  If it doesn't, he's probably not.  Other than sit and wait there's not much else we can do.

To me mate i havent liked how brendan and FSG has handled the whole transfer saga from the day he joined. With the carroll situation then with joe allen saying he would of gladly payed more. Media and other clubs take that as weakness. And him saying we may have to loan suggests that in order to bring in new players he would have to sell first as in aquilani for allen. So it looks likely if a big bid comes in for Agger will be gone as i feel brendan already knows which players he wants to bring in. Just hope it isnt williams for agger cos that would be a joke to me. And seems strange we havent signed a winger possibly waiting for Agger move before commiting to buy a winger or loan one if it doesnt go through only time will tell.
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Postby damjan193 » Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:45 pm

I take it you guys haven't seen this

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Postby The Good Yank » Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:17 pm

Funny that this whole transfer of Agger started in the first place.  It's always been a non starter.  The player doesn't want to leave.  The club doesn't want to sell him.  Simple really.
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