Sabre wrote:Having had a chance to square up and dust off the usual insults, I hope that certain individuals can now go back to ignoring each other. In fact, I'll insist on it. I'll also insist that football threads be dominated by football chat. Flame wars, wind-up attempts and other instances of internet gangsterism will be dealt with swiftly and decisively because this is, after all, a football forum first and foremost.
This is, after all, a football forum first and foremost.
Well, when I decided to look for a place to improve my knowledge about Liverpool, I searched the forums complete set.
Out of this set, I picked the football subset.
And out of this sub-set I picked
Liverpool fans sub set.
So when I joined newkit I never thought I joined just a football forum. I have Spanish forums about the premier league, in which pretty much I could discuss about Liverpool even with people that know quite a lot of football and our club.
IMHO, this is a Liverpool Football Club forum first, and foremost. And second, important, but not that much, it's a football forum.
In that scenario, I expected a minimum respect towards the players, and manager. I do like criticism, I do like reading thoughts about if we should try something else different of Rafa does. I do expect someone saying certain's player football is being cráp as of late. Criticism, within the realms of respect to the player and the manager.
One of the reasons I started to love Liverpool were your ambassadors. John Aldridge, John Toshack, Kvarme, Westerveld, served well my local club, but also acted as an ambassador of Liverpool football club. They talked about The Cop. About Hillsborough. About The Truth. Why did they so in an unknown northern Spanish town? Because they are reds, and they're reds wherever they are.
And I soon checked when I was a teenager all this stories of Aldo and Toshack were true. And I saw the support of Liverpool fans in the tv, and the games. In good times, and bad times. That support still can be seen a lot in Anfield. And a true admiration and teenager love was created from that.
So for my information about Liverpool back in 2004, I chose not a general premier league football forum, but a forum of Liverpool fans. With the values that I was taught by Toshack and Aldo. With the values of that unconditional and loyal support.
So I certainly expect to read a player is not good enough and he'll never be. But I can't digest heavy and direct insults to the players as a person, not a footballer. I can digest someone saying Lucas' football is shít, but I can't digest someone insulting Lucas, the guy.
Due to me thinking, apparently wrongly, that this was a Liverpool fans forum and not just a footie forum, I couldn't believe the insults and lack of respect our reds received from members around here. With insults that could be said perfectly in a Manc forum.
IMHO, it's nice that members are protected from insults. But from my point of view, it's necessary to extend that protection to the players and the manager. That is, I think the mods do a great job protecting the members from abuse. I'd just like to extend that protection to 23 people more, and that would be the players and the manager. Yes, they are not here posting, but we come here to support them, so they are part of our communnity.
Because this is not just a football forum, but a Liverpool Football Club forum.
If someone says my posts are shít, that's ok. He's talking about the posts. He'll get a card when he systematically insults me personally (Or alternatively I'll be asked to have patience with the insulting guy
).
Similarly, I don't find problems to read Lucas' football is shíte, or a team selection of Rafa is silly. But I'm outraged when I see them insulted for things like being sent off. Hello, in football, these things happen, criticise the players action, don't call him a cúnt.
So, Lando, when he sees that insults, he is as offended as me, but he doesn't refrain from paying with the same coin. You haven't seen Lando insulting Mick the poster, because Mick is anti Rafa, but has never insulted Rafa. You see the guy insulting the guys that insult Rafa and the players. It's quite an obvious pattern. Lando gets cards when the team underperforms and those opportunistic insults appear.
What I mean is this. It's nice to keep the members of this forum protected from insults. But as long as the players are insulted, there will be Landos. If Lando gets banned it will be me who'll go out of his normal self (often Lando's answers save my protests). So if Lando is banned, I am banned, because like himself I always thought this was a Liverpool forum, first and foremost.
If someone says "oh don't overreact to those insults to the players" then I expect that someone not to overreact to Lando's answers. The cards delivery indicate that it's Lando who's in fault and just Lando. But from my point of view, when players like Kuyt are insulted personally, not his football, that's as offending as if a member is insulted.
I know it's just my point of view, but if you want to erradicate insults from newkit, you have to know what triggers them in the first place. And you have to ask if the players, as guys, have to be respected in the same extent as the posting members of this forum.
I think that if a little more respect to the players was observed, you'd see a surprising effect: Lando's insults would diminish in a 88%. Extending the good protection the mods provide to the members to the 23 members of the first team, wouldn't harm Newkit Football Chat whatsoever, IMHO, as there's a direct relationship between personal insults to players and managers and how discussions that lead to cards are started.
It's a bit like lack of rotation and hamstring injuries relationship. Cause-effect. The lame gazelle effect (Just a final comment to lighten up the mood and to wake up Bigmick
)
Not trying to negotiate anything here. I just have my own opinion about what causes most of the fights around here.
off, I've said it before many times I think? I have a bad memory but if I haven't I'm saying it now. Anyway some people on here should just be carded and sent to go on about their business (ala Petar) for the stuff they constantly post over and over regarding how much Rafa and Liverpool suck etc etc. Go find another forum to annoy if you're gonna be ignorant and just moan and whinge all the damn time. A lot of the newbie posters already deserve a ban, annoying little b@stards.
