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Postby zarababe » Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:48 am

bigmick wrote:I simply don't accept the prognosis that it was "unrealistic" to expect us to have a really good shot at it. The Mancs lost Ronaldo and Tevez in the Summer, and we had four points to make up on them. That's why people had expectations, because they knew we had a huge chance to at the very least overhaul our keenest rivals. If you'd have told the majority of our fans that during the season we'd have injuries, but they'd have two midfielders playing at centre half for a month along with other injuries, I think most would still have been hopeful.

It's statements like these which IMHO reveal the inner mind of a man who himself isn't a believer. Thoughts when expressed in the way he's expressed them here reveal why he's so defensive, why he so much lacks ambition in so many situations. It's hard to expect the players to be fired up and going for it when the manager is as defeatist as he is.

More worrying going forward is next season. Say we don't get a squillion pound war chest, is it "unrealistic" once again to expect any sort of title challenge? Winning it may be extremely hard, I don't think anyone disputes that, but being involved in it for more than six matches ought to be within our hitting zone surely.

In this new found era odf respecting everyone else's point of view I respect (and always have to be fair) anyones belief that rafa is the man, but I do struggle to understand such faith when he comes out with statements like this.

I agree I think a challenge was not beyond us, although injuries and the lack of depth in the squad, was and has to some extentposed a greater risk to us, then some of those in the positions above us.

I actually feel that our weakness, Ar,se too and even the mancs and chelsea, who have not been at their awesome best - has allowed others to get involved in the battle for the CL places. It is sad that having come so close last season, without being in touch of the holy grail (if ya get what I mean), we have truly missed the opportunity to take advantage of the weaknesses amongst the title challengers.

I know we need strength in-depth and 2/3 'class' players, otherwise we are almost there. It's not such a big re-building job otherwise. So this summer will be very important in the race to play catch-up.

I thinks the ownership saga and 'real politik' Rafa has had to enagage in has not helped matters on the field and he too is sounding de-motivated and 'fed-up' and when that happens, I suppose it's human nature to er on the side of excuses; perhaps real or not.
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Postby only me » Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:53 am

The question is not what we need next season but rather if Rafa can deliver it? my opinion that he can't - he is a lousy money manager ,lousy scout ,lousy players coach and has the wrong ideology when it comes to football.

Rafa is an excellent engineer he would be great in the computer and design world - unfortunently players aren't Robots and the game has a flow of it's own ,feelings and passion which Rafa is not programmed to cope with.

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Postby stmichael » Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:56 am

Fo me it's more depressing because this season has been the most average Premier League I can remember in terms of quality. The top teams have dropped back towards the rest, Nobody in CL semis shows that.

Wigan have Beaten Chelsea and Arsenal. United lost to Burnley. Villa Beat Chelsea and won at Old trafford for 1st time in a generation. Everton beat (nearly) everyone above them, even Portsmouth have troubled us, Spurs and others. There isn't an outstanding side anymore. Barcelona are absolutely streets ahead of anything in this country.
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Postby Sir Roger » Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:08 am

bigmick wrote:I simply don't accept the prognosis that it was "unrealistic" to expect us to have a really good shot at it. The Mancs lost Ronaldo and Tevez in the Summer, and we had four points to make up on them. That's why people had expectations, because they knew we had a huge chance to at the very least overhaul our keenest rivals. If you'd have told the majority of our fans that during the season we'd have injuries, but they'd have two midfielders playing at centre half for a month along with other injuries, I think most would still have been hopeful.

It's statements like these which IMHO reveal the inner mind of a man who himself isn't a believer. Thoughts when expressed in the way he's expressed them here reveal why he's so defensive, why he so much lacks ambition in so many situations. It's hard to expect the players to be fired up and going for it when the manager is as defeatist as he is.

More worrying going forward is next season. Say we don't get a squillion pound war chest, is it "unrealistic" once again to expect any sort of title challenge? Winning it may be extremely hard, I don't think anyone disputes that, but being involved in it for more than six matches ought to be within our hitting zone surely.

In this new found era odf respecting everyone else's point of view I respect (and always have to be fair) anyones belief that rafa is the man, but I do struggle to understand such faith when he comes out with statements like this.

When the manager of Liverpool Football Club is quoted as saying this:
"At the beginning of the season ­expectations were too high,”
he is telling you straight away what type of man he is.
If that quote is genuine then that is the most shocking thing I have read from one of our managers.
Too high? Does that mean hisexpectations were low?
Did he not think we had a chance at last to compete with the mancs?
Had he already given up before we started the campaign?
Truly shocking that our hopes and dreams rest with this man and a testament to those of us who have said we will NEVER win the league while hes in charge
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Postby tonyeh » Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:18 am

Reading that again...I'm livid here.

This is the guy with his hand on the tiller?

It's no wonder then, the he has made the decisions he's made throughout the season. The answer is, he doesn't give a toss about challenging for the title. It's too high an expectation. :angry:
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Postby laza » Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:26 am

stmichael wrote:Fo me it's more depressing because this season has been the most average Premier League I can remember in terms of quality. The top teams have dropped back towards the rest, Nobody in CL semis shows that.

Wigan have Beaten Chelsea and Arsenal. United lost to Burnley. Villa Beat Chelsea and won at Old trafford for 1st time in a generation. Everton beat (nearly) everyone above them, even Portsmouth have troubled us, Spurs and others. There isn't an outstanding side anymore. Barcelona are absolutely streets ahead of anything in this country.

I agree with that and it makes our poor season even more depressing especially after last year's challenge.


As for Rafa's comments I wouldnt  expect anything less these days of tightly scripted cliches . Fergie, Carlo or Arsene would probably offer up same quotes under similar circumstances

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Postby Boocity » Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:29 am

Rafa should come out now and state what his expectations are for next season, if he thinks the title is 'unrealistic' and the best we can achieve is a top four then we should be looking for a new manager.
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Postby account deleted by request » Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:28 pm

Hansen: First time an average team will win the Premier League


Liverpool FC legend Alan Hansen believes the winners of this year’s Premier League title will be “an average team”, with both Manchester United and Chelsea FC no way near as strong as they have been in recent years.

Chelsea FC retain a one point lead over their nearest challengers Manchester United, however the former Liverpool FC captain believes neither of the aforementioned sides are great ones, and the fact both have already lost seven games and six respectively, illustrates his point.

The Liverpool FC legend, who won eight league titles during his illustrious Anfield playing career, suggests if Manchester United win the title, then it could spell the end for Chelsea FC’s playing squad because they would “be guilty of the biggest slip-up in the history of the Premier League”.

The Liverpool FC legend told the Daily Telegraph: “No matter who wins the title this season, though, it will be the first time that an average team will have claimed the Premier League crown.”

“Jose Mourinho changed the face of English football when he was at Chelsea because his team raised the bar so high that you had to be a great side to win the league during his time at Stamford Bridge.”

“But neither United nor Chelsea can lay claim to being a great side this season.”

“If United win the title, it will be down to their perseverance and ability to do what champions do in terms of never giving up.”

“They also have the figure of Sir Alex in the dressing room, warning players that they might not have a future at United and hammering home the message that they never give up.”

“As for Chelsea, they will be guilty of the biggest slip-up in the history of the Premier League if they fail to win the title because they have had so many opportunities to put it beyond their rivals’ reach and been unable to do it.”

“If they finish without the title this season, it could be the end of Chelsea as we know them. It is such a crucial time for the club.”

“Win the league, and Roman Abramovich might be energised by the experience, throw more money at it and go for the big prizes all over again.”

“But with the team needing new blood, he might decide that, although he has had a great time, the party is over.”

“Chelsea can at least look to Spurs possibly getting a result at Old Trafford this weekend because Harry Redknapp’s team have shown just what they are capable of in the past week.”

“Redknapp has changed the mentality at White Hart Lane and Spurs are now a coming force.”

“Sixth is no longer enough for them and Harry will want to get to the point where even fourth is not enough.”

“But to do that, Spurs have to show that beating the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea can be followed up by winning at Old Trafford.”

“In the past, Spurs could beat Chelsea and then lose to Hull. That is not what great teams do, but they are beginning to realise that at White Hart Lane.”
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Doesn't say much when our "expectations where too high" in a season when even the best sides are average. :(


Presumably our expectations next season are to avoid the relegation dogfight :D
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Postby teamleader1 » Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:54 pm

Boocity wrote:From the Mirror

Benitez: We had no hope of winning the title this season
Published 23:00 18/04/10 By David Anderson
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Rafa Benitez claims it was unrealistic to expect ­Liverpool to win the Premier League title this season.

As the inquest into Liverpool’s disappointing domestic campaign rages on, Benitez says it was always going to be difficult for them to better finishing runners-up last term.

We have the biggest bullshit_ter in the prem.
Im sure he convinces himself with all the lame excuses he dreams up for his failures.
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Postby Sir Roger » Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:04 pm

teamleader1 wrote:
Boocity wrote:From the Mirror

Benitez: We had no hope of winning the title this season
Published 23:00 18/04/10 By David Anderson
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Rafa Benitez claims it was unrealistic to expect ­Liverpool to win the Premier League title this season.

As the inquest into Liverpool’s disappointing domestic campaign rages on, Benitez says it was always going to be difficult for them to better finishing runners-up last term.

We have the biggest bullshit_ter in the prem.
Im sure he convinces himself with all the lame excuses he dreams up for his failures.

I think I get the logic.
If you finish second and four points behind the winners it is unrealistic to expect to finish first the season after.
You must expect to finish at least four places (if not six) behind them even though you have spent 37 million on new players but still have the basic spine of the previous seasons team except for one player.
Damn us finishing second. We should have finished fourth and we would have won the league
Stupid over achieving lucky useless idiots!
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Postby Emerald Red » Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:21 pm

only me wrote:The question is not what we need next season but rather if Rafa can deliver it? my opinion that he can't - he is a lousy money manager ,lousy scout ,lousy players coach and has the wrong ideology when it comes to football.

Rafa is an excellent engineer he would be great in the computer and design world - unfortunently players aren't Robots and the game has a flow of it's own ,feelings and passion which Rafa is not programmed to cope with.

Bye Bye

See, this is what makes me laugh at times. How the f*ck can anyone on an internet forum say that the man is lousy at money management, a lousy scout? Scout? It's not his f*cking job to scout. That's why you have people called "scouts" you know that do that particular job. A lousy players coach? Ask Mascherano, Pepe Reina and Torres about that? That's right, you can't. Down at Melwood every day, are you? Speak to the players during training? No. Wrong ideology when it comes to football? Right, Special One! I take it you've managed a football club and won bigger honours, then?

I don't mind it when someone actually comes out and puts forward a knowledgable argument for their opinions, but it's absolute tripe like this that just does my head in.
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Postby account deleted by request » Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:40 pm

Talking of absolute tripe, here Stan's 3 point plan  :-

Rafa Benitez's guarantee of a top four spot for Liverpool proved to be hollow but I have my own three-point plan for long-term success at Anfield - which I guarantee WILL work.

Point one has happened after the club’s hapless US owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have finally confirmed they are willing to sell up.

They have had enough and are going, and thank God for that.

Point two would be Liverpool winning the Europa League this season, which would then lead into point three.

With the trophy clinched, Liverpool could parade it in front of their fans in Hamburg’s stadium.

Boss Benitez could then lift the trophy and walk down the tunnel and out of the club with a fond farewell and his head held high.

The new owners could then come in and recruit Jose Mourinho from Inter Milan and give him £100million for new players.

I have been banging a drum for Mourinho to come to Anfield since last season because I believe Rafa is simply not the man to end the club’s wait for a League title.

But there is no disguising the fact the season has been very poor - even if they end up winning in Europe.

They could finally win the championship again with Mourinho in charge, and battling it out in the later stages of cup competitions is what the club deserves.

If my plan is delivered I can guarantee that - unlike Rafa.
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Postby Zidane » Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:07 pm

s@int wrote:Talking of absolute tripe, here Stan's 3 point plan  :-

Rafa Benitez's guarantee of a top four spot for Liverpool proved to be hollow but I have my own three-point plan for long-term success at Anfield - which I guarantee WILL work.

Point one has happened after the club’s hapless US owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have finally confirmed they are willing to sell up.

They have had enough and are going, and thank God for that.

Point two would be Liverpool winning the Europa League this season, which would then lead into point three.

With the trophy clinched, Liverpool could parade it in front of their fans in Hamburg’s stadium.

Boss Benitez could then lift the trophy and walk down the tunnel and out of the club with a fond farewell and his head held high.

The new owners could then come in and recruit Jose Mourinho from Inter Milan and give him £100million for new players.

I have been banging a drum for Mourinho to come to Anfield since last season because I believe Rafa is simply not the man to end the club’s wait for a League title.

But there is no disguising the fact the season has been very poor - even if they end up winning in Europe.

They could finally win the championship again with Mourinho in charge, and battling it out in the later stages of cup competitions is what the club deserves.

If my plan is delivered I can guarantee that - unlike Rafa.

Yes, it is all so simple Stan. :D
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Postby only me » Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:28 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
only me wrote:The question is not what we need next season but rather if Rafa can deliver it? my opinion that he can't - he is a lousy money manager ,lousy scout ,lousy players coach and has the wrong ideology when it comes to football.

Rafa is an excellent engineer he would be great in the computer and design world - unfortunently players aren't Robots and the game has a flow of it's own ,feelings and passion which Rafa is not programmed to cope with.

Bye Bye

See, this is what makes me laugh at times. How the f*ck can anyone on an internet forum say that the man is lousy at money management, a lousy scout? Scout? It's not his f*cking job to scout. That's why you have people called "scouts" you know that do that particular job. A lousy players coach? Ask Mascherano, Pepe Reina and Torres about that? That's right, you can't. Down at Melwood every day, are you? Speak to the players during training? No. Wrong ideology when it comes to football? Right, Special One! I take it you've managed a football club and won bigger honours, then?

I don't mind it when someone actually comes out and puts forward a knowledgable argument for their opinions, but it's absolute tripe like this that just does my head in.

See you are obssesed with me as i am with Rafa - guess we should both seek treatment....

Again you have no clue nor opinion when writing your posts..

Lousy money manager - paying 20++ for Keane , 20++ for injured Aqua not enough for you?

Lousy scout? well i assume he does go over the tapes and decideds who would come to Anfield doesn't he? Dossena ,Lucas ,Babel ,Keane ,Aurellio ,Arbeloa ,Skertel...all players with no impact no signture on the game...

Players manager...well havn't been to the dressing room (neither did you) but got some clues from Riera,Babel..others nor does Rafa character and behaviour prooves you the other way..

So i need to to coach a football club to know that i like attacking ,risk taking ,happy free football?? really guess all of us should shut up and bow down..

Talk to the point not to the person.
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Postby Igor Zidane » Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:32 pm

s@int wrote:Talking of absolute tripe, here Stan's 3 point plan  :-

Rafa Benitez's guarantee of a top four spot for Liverpool proved to be hollow but I have my own three-point plan for long-term success at Anfield - which I guarantee WILL work.

Point one has happened after the club’s hapless US owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have finally confirmed they are willing to sell up.

They have had enough and are going, and thank God for that.

Point two would be Liverpool winning the Europa League this season, which would then lead into point three.

With the trophy clinched, Liverpool could parade it in front of their fans in Hamburg’s stadium.

Boss Benitez could then lift the trophy and walk down the tunnel and out of the club with a fond farewell and his head held high.

The new owners could then come in and recruit Jose Mourinho from Inter Milan and give him £100million for new players.

I have been banging a drum for Mourinho to come to Anfield since last season because I believe Rafa is simply not the man to end the club’s wait for a League title.

But there is no disguising the fact the season has been very poor - even if they end up winning in Europe.

They could finally win the championship again with Mourinho in charge, and battling it out in the later stages of cup competitions is what the club deserves.

If my plan is delivered I can guarantee that - unlike Rafa.

Feck me does the top dogger own a chrystal ball .  :;):
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