Liverpool FC Forum

[bigmick]

Absolutely right Ben. Why don't the razor blade merchants get their own section, then they can depress each other into oblivion. If their way is the only way, unless the manager is given 200 squillion quid to spend this Summer then there's no point us turning up. I simply don't buy it I think we have got a good team as it is, I am positive about that and no bleating and blubbering from these manic depressives can convince me otherwise.

Lets look on the bright side for once. The chairman has said we won't have to sell our best players. At least that avoids the nightmare scenario that both Man Utd and Arsenal had to go through last Summer. Utd had to sell the World player of the year and replace him with a free transfer, as well as GIVE AWAY one of the best strikers in the league. All in all they banked 62 million quid profit, thank God we haven't sunk to those depths. Arsenal were slightly better of in that they had to sell only their best striker and their best defender, banking 23 million quid in order to pay off their stadium debts. The chairman has already said that we won't have to go to such lengths once again, we may even be able to spend all the money we bring in plus a bit more again, so I'm extremely hopeful for next season.

I'm positive we have a good team who is a match for anybody. We showed it last season. I'm sick of people insulting our players, calling them "Asda buys" etc when we have lots of players who cost a fortune. Time to get behind the team once and for all me thinks, Everton won today so we really must go all out for that top seven slot.

[shawnk]

Course we'd get a top manager. Don't let these negativos and manic depressives bring the whole forum down into their pit of despair. Fat Sam

All managers worldwide would be interested in the job, even the most special. That said, they'll be disappointed because the current manager isn't going anywhere, he isn't daft. Neither is the new chairman daft either. I did note he said Rafa had his support and there'd be no need for player sales. The two go hand in hand as I've said for a while now. Rafa bought em, so keep Rafa and you avoid the scenario of having a new manager tell you they're not up to it and having to replace them all with more expensive players.

Fat Sam though. These are the same people who say if such and such becomes the manager then they'll stop supporting the club, then they lecture everyone else about loyalty

Let the positivos rule, we have got a good team and we ought to challenge for honours next season, new owners or not.

There are soem people (are there?) .. no there is me who says Mourinhio disrespected Rafa Benitez when he won the CL dissed Gerrard for choosing Liverpool FC over Chelsea and so, while LFC would always be in my heart, there are some principles that are overwhelming enough to arouse a stand .. ( though my love of LFC means I will support the manager - so I'm probably o weak on that front too) - put it this way I don't want Mourhinio - for me it's like selling your soul to H&G..

So while Tom and George might not be in the starting eleven, they are nevertheless the cause of the basement shopping market Rafa is reduced to wheeling and dealing in, getting it  right sometimes, but wrong most cos you get what ya pay for..  and so with there caniving (spl) and broken promises - of course there should not be an impact on the manager and team   

Negativos - where are ya 

I dont care about my soul. I only care if LFC win the 19th and more.

Real fans me!

[redtrader74]

Absolutely right Ben. Why don't the razor blade merchants get their own section, then they can depress each other into oblivion. If their way is the only way, unless the manager is given 200 squillion quid to spend this Summer then there's no point us turning up. I simply don't buy it I think we have got a good team as it is, I am positive about that and no bleating and blubbering from these manic depressives can convince me otherwise.

Lets look on the bright side for once. The chairman has said we won't have to sell our best players. At least that avoids the nightmare scenario that both Man Utd and Arsenal had to go through last Summer. Utd had to sell the World player of the year and replace him with a free transfer, as well as GIVE AWAY one of the best strikers in the league. All in all they banked 62 million quid profit, thank God we haven't sunk to those depths. Arsenal were slightly better of in that they had to sell only their best striker and their best defender, banking 23 million quid in order to pay off their stadium debts. The chairman has already said that we won't have to go to such lengths once again, we may even be able to spend all the money we bring in plus a bit more again, so I'm extremely hopeful for next season.

I'm positive we have a good team who is a match for anybody. We showed it last season. I'm sick of people insulting our players, calling them "Asda buys" etc when we have lots of players who cost a fortune. Time to get behind the team once and for all me thinks, Everton won today so we really must go all out for that top seven slot.

I agree our team / squad is almost good enough to challenge for the title, you must be happy with Rafa finally, as he has put them together

[account deleted by request]

Now he just needs to learn how to use them correctly

[redtrader74]

Can't argue with that , I just hope that next season he will give the players more license to attack and use Torres as a scalpel rather than a battering ram

[zarababe]

I know some people are getting fed up with micks sarcastic posts but what he is saying is true.

he is criticised for being negative yet the people who do it are the ones that are stating that we are doomed and cant attract a top manager etc.

Its ironic to put it mildly.

We've already got a top manager, so that is not the issue with his posts whatsoever. What we do need is a board who doesn't f*ck about and cut into the manager's transfer budget to drip feed the debt they put us in. If a manager makes a sale of a player and get's 2-300% profit on that player, then that profit should be used towards strengthening the squad, no excuses. Some are banging on about what a top prospect this club is for top managers, when we're spending like a mid-table side, if even, instead of one of the biggest clubs on the planet for the past several seasons.

- "Rafa, I've got the chairman of Valencia on the phone. He says he wants 30 mill up front for Villa now seeing that we are Liverpool FC and we are such a big club."

Rafa - "e's 'avin a laugh, no? Tell him to do one. We're skinto and I've only got 20 millions to spread around. Tell him he can 'ave Yossi Benayoun. He's got kwalitee, works very har' and can give more options, no?"

spot on ER - we need to be able to sign the 'likes' of Villa and that is £30m+ in this £80m Ronaldo market, the boundaries have been truly extended so we have a great spine and some good players but we need 2 or 3 class players to make us a real force next year for challenging - that is not a wholesale change, it is the addition of CLASS and that can not be acquired with a basement budget ..

[sgs]

Course we'd get a top manager. Don't let these negativos and manic depressives bring the whole forum down into their pit of despair. Fat Sam

All managers worldwide would be interested in the job, even the most special. That said, they'll be disappointed because the current manager isn't going anywhere, he isn't daft. Neither is the new chairman daft either. I did note he said Rafa had his support and there'd be no need for player sales. The two go hand in hand as I've said for a while now. Rafa bought em, so keep Rafa and you avoid the scenario of having a new manager tell you they're not up to it and having to replace them all with more expensive players.

Fat Sam though. These are the same people who say if such and such becomes the manager then they'll stop supporting the club, then they lecture everyone else about loyalty

Let the positivos rule, we have got a good team and we ought to challenge for honours next season, new owners or not.

The main issue has never been the quality of the first team, although lacking in a few places, but the gap between the 1st and 2nd teams. What last season clearly demonstrated is that with players fit and on form, we can beat anyone. But what wins u the league is the squad; ur ability to bring a Ballack, Anelka, Berbatov or Carrick from the bench...

[crazyhorse]

Absolutely right Ben. Why don't the razor blade merchants get their own section, then they can depress each other into oblivion. If their way is the only way, unless the manager is given 200 squillion quid to spend this Summer then there's no point us turning up. I simply don't buy it I think we have got a good team as it is, I am positive about that and no bleating and blubbering from these manic depressives can convince me otherwise.

Lets look on the bright side for once. The chairman has said we won't have to sell our best players. At least that avoids the nightmare scenario that both Man Utd and Arsenal had to go through last Summer. Utd had to sell the World player of the year and replace him with a free transfer, as well as GIVE AWAY one of the best strikers in the league. All in all they banked 62 million quid profit, thank God we haven't sunk to those depths. Arsenal were slightly better of in that they had to sell only their best striker and their best defender, banking 23 million quid in order to pay off their stadium debts. The chairman has already said that we won't have to go to such lengths once again, we may even be able to spend all the money we bring in plus a bit more again, so I'm extremely hopeful for next season.

I'm positive we have a good team who is a match for anybody. We showed it last season. I'm sick of people insulting our players, calling them "Asda buys" etc when we have lots of players who cost a fortune. Time to get behind the team once and for all me thinks, Everton won today so we really must go all out for that top seven slot.

top post sir Michael.

Dont quite agree with the last paragraph, as it is my feeling that overhaul Rafa has failed in his transfer dealings and has definatley not got "value for money" from the players he has brought in.

[account deleted by request]

What I don't really understand about all the arguments about how Rafa has had no money etc etc etc etc is ....... I always thought that a managers job was to get the best out of the players at his disposal, and improve the team by judicious use of of any money that was available, not to buy the league which it appears some on here are advocating. I don't believe Rafa has ever got the best out of our players ...... even last season when we came so close, for most of the season it seemed more good fortune than good football that kept us up there, while this season we have never even been in the race. Too many mistakes, too many wrong choices and too happy to control games rather than winning them.

We all know that the team CAN play good football, because on occasion we have seen it....... just not often enough.

I think for the majority of his time here we have played dull unadventurous long ball football. Even though we have had some very exciting games, the actual football we have played has for the majority of the time been quite poor. In the first few years this was offset by the fact that whilst it was dull it was successful, sadly now it is proving to be less successful it has just highlighted (for me anyway) just how poor it really is. For a club where pass and move was once a byword for our football it is sad to see us reduced  (as we were under Houllier) to a team that relies on long balls and solid defending rather than flowing attacking football.

[Kharhaz]

What I don't really understand about all the arguments about how Rafa has had no money etc etc etc etc is ....... I always thought that a managers job was to get the best out of the players at his disposal, and improve the team by judicious use of of any money that was available, not to buy the league which it appears some on here are advocating.

Thats about it. The defence for him, when it comes down to a solid case for rafa is always "he hasnt had the money". But he has. He has also bought good players, its his man management that has let him, and the club down.

I don't believe Rafa has ever got the best out of our players ...... even last season when we came so close, for most of the season it seemed more good fortune than good football that kept us up there, while this season we have never even been in the race.

I disagree here. When he shows some kind of positive attitude, then the team play well and look really good, so yes he can get the team playing well and every player can look quite good (Benfica:Lucas,Kuyt) we just dont see enough of it. After we have played a good attacking game its back to the negative dross we have had to put up with. Last season, the good run, was because rafa just let them off the leash and yes a couple of games we were lucky but when the attacking mentality was there, we were quite good at it. The negative tactics are just depressing everybody, and its this that rafa just will not change.

[LFC2007]

I don't believe Rafa has ever got the best out of our players ...... even last season when we came so close, for most of the season it seemed more good fortune than good football that kept us up there, while this season we have never even been in the race.

I disagree here. When he shows some kind of positive attitude, then the team play well and look really good, so yes he can get the team playing well and every player can look quite good (Benfica:Lucas,Kuyt) we just dont see enough of it.

You actually agree on that point because s@int said the following:

"We all know that the team CAN play good football, because on occasion we have seen it....... just not often enough. "

[Kharhaz]

I don't believe Rafa has ever got the best out of our players ...... even last season when we came so close, for most of the season it seemed more good fortune than good football that kept us up there, while this season we have never even been in the race.

I disagree here. When he shows some kind of positive attitude, then the team play well and look really good, so yes he can get the team playing well and every player can look quite good (Benfica:Lucas,Kuyt) we just dont see enough of it.

You actually agree on that point because s@int said the following:

"We all know that the team CAN play good football, because on occasion we have seen it....... just not often enough. "

Right. I didnt want to get into a self contradiction petty argument so I just used what I quoted.

[tonyeh]

What I don't really understand about all the arguments about how Rafa has had no money etc etc etc etc is ....... I always thought that a managers job was to get the best out of the players at his disposal, and improve the team by judicious use of of any money that was available, not to buy the league which it appears some on here are advocating. I don't believe Rafa has ever got the best out of our players ...... even last season when we came so close, for most of the season it seemed more good fortune than good football that kept us up there, while this season we have never even been in the race. Too many mistakes, too many wrong choices and too happy to control games rather than winning them.

We all know that the team CAN play good football, because on occasion we have seen it....... just not often enough.

I think for the majority of his time here we have played dull unadventurous long ball football. Even though we have had some very exciting games, the actual football we have played has for the majority of the time been quite poor. In the first few years this was offset by the fact that whilst it was dull it was successful, sadly now it is proving to be less successful it has just highlighted (for me anyway) just how poor it really is. For a club where pass and move was once a byword for our football it is sad to see us reduced  (as we were under Houllier) to a team that relies on long balls and solid defending rather than flowing attacking football.

Bang on.

Regardless of how one feels about Benitez, the fact that we are one of the most boring teams to watch in the Premiership is the strongest indictment.

And true, even though Liverpool launched it's strongest campaign for the league in years...they were still waiting for somebody else to fuck things up so they could win it.

[Reg]

The manager is boring
the team is boring
we're losing
they're winning
we're being shafted,
Spurs and Citeh are  on a high.

Give me a fcukng break and go post on the magic roundabout forum.

its all the managers fault and I'm not negative and and I've a funny tw@t.

F'off you WUM.

[tonyeh]

I can't post on the magic roundabout forum any more Reg. I was banned for calling Dougal a dog. Some people got very upset about that.