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by **red37** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:31 am

The_Rock wrote:
bavlondon wrote:I think it's time to start banning over negative posters again, any strike too. This place is losing good posters because of the negative comments day in day out. It's depressing and it's killing this forum.

Shut the door on your way out.

You are one of the first on the f*cking list mate - dont be telling anyone else to shut any doors, cos i'll be opening one for you and launching you through it 'molto allegro' if you dont stop yer gurning. Fact.

by **fivecups** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:38 am

Sabre wrote:In a massive poll made in MARCA, this is what the Madrid fans preffer for next season

http://www.marca.com/2010....30.html

Rafa Benitez wins over Mourinho by a short margin.

This is good news for everybody, because the fact that Rafa has got a reputation in Europe he doesn't have in Newkit, is good for the club, as it will be easier to reach a economic agreement in case Rafa has to leave.

Meaning it would be a worse scenario if nobody wanted Rafa.

Very intersting Sabre. Babelfish:

Rafael Benítez, Jose Mourinho and Fabio Capello are, by this order, the technicians whom the liking prefers to train to Real Madrid the next season. Thus he comes off himself the survey of MARCA.com exceeds that must be the substitute of Manuel Pellegrini in the bench of the white club the next season, every time the Chilean both has feet outside the organization of Chamartín, and in which have participated almost 100,000 internauts. With a 39.6% of the votes, Benítez is the favorite of the madridista fan although it does not cross by his better moment in the Liverpool. However, those are many that still remember the two Ligas that obtained with the Valencia and Liga de Campeones whom it conquered with ' red' in his first season. Closely together, with 38.1% of the votes, is Mourinho, that also knows what is to prevail in Europe, every time with the Oporto it gained a Champions and a Glass of the UEFA. Before landing in the Inter of Milan, with that gained the Scudetto the past campaign, it proved fortune in the Chelsea, where Premier took control of two titles among others. More far, although with 11.7% of the votes is Capello, that it still maintains a certain pull between good part of the madridista social mass. And it is that the English selector, if were chosen, would confront the one that would be his third stage in Real Madrid. The other two Luiz options Felipe Scolari and Car it Ancelotti, do not tell on the endorsement of the internauts of MARCA.com when obtaining only 6.4% and 4.2% of the votes, respectively.

by **Sabre** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:03 pm

stmichael wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:I'm being 100% serious now . I hope he goes now and enjoy's the rest of his life with his family and get's back to being a manager again . He doesn't deserve the disrespectful bile that's being spouted by some . There's only one manager in the history of LFC that deserves the Rafa is getting and that's the That Rag loving c.unt souness. Hopefully Rafa will be remembered fondlly by supporters and we'll all move on . We'll get a new manager and we'll see where we go from there . Just my humble opinion like , but we'll never do better than Rafa, and whomever comes (big name manager or middle of the road good manager with no budget) in next will have a job and ahalf on there hands to please our fans. We don't know what the summer will bring regarding the owner situation , but it's looking more and more likely that there going . So the next owners and next manager will have a good setup to inherite (good setup .i mean first team and academy ) and if they've got a few bob they can invest in some world class players to make a challenge . If not then god help em .

Really hope he goes now in truth .

Good post.

I don't begrudge him going somewhere where he's actually appreciated by his own fans rather than slaughtered and ridiculed day in day out.

Time will tell how will Rafa be remembered here, but I reckon that in 10 years he'll be more remembered for the 5th, rather than the rotation manager or any other label.

by **bigmick** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:29 pm

It's natural for Real Madrid fans to want to give Rafa a shot. He's Spanish, a good manager, they probably remember the demolition job they suffered in last seasons Champions League pretty well, he's a Madrid man, and if he doesn't work out they'll bomb him out in eight months. Whether or not the Madrid hierarchy will view it the same way remains to be seen, and whether or not our owners will want Rafa to leave is extremely doubtful IMHO, even if they get a chance to offload him for free.

I wouldn't have thought there'd be too many British clubs queueing up for him should he move on, but teams like Juventus and Real Madrid are big names, and if the interest proves to be genuine (and of course it is all speck-you-lay-shun at this point) it'll test out Rafa's love for the club I should think. This will particularly be the case if like some of us he is coming to the conclusion that his particular methodology is forever doomed to failure in England. Somewhere like Juve, with the cattanacio style and the countless 1-0's might well appeal to him more.

We'll see anyway, but the owners won't let go of him easily. My guess is that he will still be manager at Liverpool next season.

by **andy_g** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:34 pm

stmichael wrote:No doubt if he left we'll probably look on in envy as he has great success elsewhere while we languish as a midtable club managed by the likes of MON, which is what some people seem to want.

don't be daft, stmick. this is exactly the kind of ridiculous statement that causes the trenches on both sides of the imaginary divide to be dug even deeper. i don't think anyone except the occasional wum on here actually wants us to me a mid table team with a mid table manager. even those who have said they would like to see us relegated to get rid of rafa or the owners are obviously not speaking their true feelings.

what we all want is for the club to be in a better state both on and off the field. various people have differing views on how that might be best achieved. some of those views on both sides are not unreasonable, while others are bizarre to say the least.

the only thing which unites us all is the wish to see us doing well.

by **bigmick** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:46 pm

andy_g wrote:
stmichael wrote:No doubt if he left we'll probably look on in envy as he has great success elsewhere while we languish as a midtable club managed by the likes of MON, which is what some people seem to want.

don't be daft, stmick. this is exactly the kind of ridiculous statement that causes the trenches on both sides of the imaginary divide to be dug even deeper. i don't think anyone except the occasional wum on here actually wants us to me a mid table team with a mid table manager. even those who have said they would like to see us relegated to get rid of rafa or the owners are obviously not speaking their true feelings.

what we all want is for the club to be in a better state both on and off the field. various people have differing views on how that might be best achieved. some of those views on both sides are not unreasonable, while others are bizarre to say the least.

the only thing which unites us all is the wish to see us doing well.

Very well put that mate. Contrary to popular belief, my guess is everybody wants the team to do well. Even those who think the best we can manage is midtable and Neil Warnock as manager are actually secretly hoping that they might be wrong and that we win something every now and then.

by **lakes10** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:36 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:So lakes going by your theory if rafa turns down juventus does that mean torres will want to leave

no idea mate but it might be why he is saying that he is going to stay.

there is word that Rafa has said yes no fact) to leacing the club but is holding off tell the press due to what tomoz is.

its seems Rafas team have had 6 meetings with them over sometime.

again none of this is fact but just whats being reported in the press rooms.

i posted the other day that it looked like Rafa was going to stay as he could not get the control in his new job as he has now....but it seems that has changed and might get a 90mil budget in his new job.........again this is not a fact.

but lets just say that right now there is more chance that Rafa will be gone than there is him staying.

by **tubby** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:45 pm

Mick im not going to nitpick your post as it's only going to go in one ear and out the other. I was trying to find that other thread you made the other day but couldn't find it, anyway you only have to look at that to realise how negative you are at times.

And to everyone look around and ask yourself why is there so little football talk these days? I know the desire to be active on here drops a bit if we are not doing well but you can't blame it all on our performance. Where have all the old posters gone from when I joined? Some just pop on for an odd check now and again but for the most part they don't post and it's because this place is just full of anti rafa talk. It leaks into almost every thread and recently it's getting to the point where it's pure insults.

Everyone is entitled to their views but ffs I don't need to have it stuffed down my throat in every single thread I read.

by **lakes10** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:05 pm

bavlondon wrote:Mick im not going to nitpick your post as it's only going to go in one ear and out the other. I was trying to find that other thread you made the other day but couldn't find it, anyway you only have to look at that to realise how negative you are at times.

And to everyone look around and ask yourself why is there so little football talk these days? I know the desire to be active on here drops a bit if we are not doing well but you can't blame it all on our performance. Where have all the old posters gone from when I joined? Some just pop on for an odd check now and again but for the most part they don't post and it's because this place is just full of anti rafa talk. It leaks into almost every thread and recently it's getting to the point where it's pure insults.

Everyone is entitled to their views but ffs I don't need to have it stuffed down my throat in every single thread I read.

bit hard not to talk about the manager mate when as soom as you turn the radio on today or the tv its all about his team having meets.

how can you talk about our games and not talk about the manager, its him thats picked the team and taken the players to the club, so if we get beat he is the one to blame.

the forum is just as messed up as our club is right now....give it a few weeks mate and things will start to get back to the old days.

by **red37** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:13 pm

Topical - it warrants discussing.

The 'managing' or moderating (if you like) of that discussion is an entirely different kettle of fish. And one that Bav is perfectly within his rights to highlight.

by **dawson99** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:14 pm

yet as always the mods have a go at the 'antis' and not the pros... thought we were all fans together?

(not havng a go at you red, just in general the mods so called moderating is laughable)

by **red37** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:29 pm

dawson99 wrote:yet as always the mods have a go at the 'antis' and not the pros... thought we were all fans together?

(not havng a go at you red, just in general the mods so called moderating is laughable)

Debate requires that:

A subject is both relevant and worthwhile pursuing in providing further scope for development. Whether or not that topic bears fruit as an 'interesting or illuminating' experience is beside the point. As an example im sick to the back teeth with work...but i have to talk about it while im there doing the job!

For Liverpool FC, in particular its footballing matters read Rafa Benitez and subsequently his performance as gaffer at the helm of it. I see no reason to place this theme in/for or against any 'camp'. Arguments (as in abuse) deriving from it are a different proposition. The principle subject is more than pertinant. F*ck all to do with ANY moderating really and solely to do with whats topical and here and now. Look at the 'Takeover' thread - who isnt fed up of that? Still generates a heck of an amount of speculation/opinion.

Unless there is any argy-bargy like...where does this fall into any moderators lap?

by **tonyeh** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:34 pm

bavlondon wrote:I think it's time to start banning over negative posters again, any strike too. This place is losing good posters because of the negative comments day in day out. It's depressing and it's killing this forum.

Bloody hell Bav, are you serious?

by **bigmick** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:41 pm

bavlondon wrote:Mick im not going to nitpick your post as it's only going to go in one ear and out the other. I was trying to find that other thread you made the other day but couldn't find it, anyway you only have to look at that to realise how negative you are at times.

And to everyone look around and ask yourself why is there so little football talk these days?

The thread where I pointed out that in my opinion Rafa was the owners ideal manager got merged with another thread which it had nothing to do with Bav. I'm not sure I can even remember what it was, but "merging" is the new "deleting" this season. If it's not merged, it's kicked into the long grass via a move into "Eurovision song contest general discussion" never to be seen again.

I accept my views were controversial, I said so at the time, but I still don't get how they were "negative". It's funny that although you could have swam around in the mouth foam, only LFC came up with a credible and reasonable argument against my thoughts.

Just to re-ieterate, my thoughts on the subject are:

The owners don't want to pay Rafa off sixteenmillion quid, because they are looking to sell the club and the money would be effectively down the drain (that is to say they couldn't just put up the price of the club by 16 mill to compensate).

Backroom staff-ditto.

Rafa can't criticise the owners from his position of relative prosperity via his contract and control over all things, and from his relative weakness due to our lack of success. He can't say "the squad is sh!t", because he bought them all, whereas a new manager may well say such a thing. He can't demand too much cash because the last few times he's had it he's squandered it, so giving the owners the perfect excuse to keep a tight grip on the purse strings.

Rafa splits the fans right down the middle (not on purpose, he just does) so therefore a lot of the criticism which would be directed at Hicks and Gillete gets diluted.

Rafa's lack of success gives the club what appears to be a potential upside for any new investor.

Rafa is an excellent manager in Europe, whichever competition we find ourselves in.

There, negative or just realistic? In the original post, if you'll remember I went on to say Hicks and Gillette probably have people on the Kop starting the Raffer-Raf-eye-elle chants so keen were they for him to stay. I DIDN'T REALLY MEAN THAT BIT, IT WAS A BIT OF IRONY TO DEMONSTRATE THE POINT.

Anyway, you obviously think that on the contrary, the owners would love to get rid of the manager which is fair enough. I don't agree with you, but I don't get where it makes me "negative".

by **lakes10** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:00 pm

yer dont think i will post for a bit.........bit pron to posting the Neg stuff and dont fancy another ban

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