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by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:59 pm

apologies ace the majority of my post not aimed at you . Only the first bit about bellamy is

by **redbeergoggles** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:00 am

bigmick wrote:Yep, not a lot to be done about it now Red. His form for Man City this season has been an absolute revelation, he's been without doubt one of the best players in the league, but I don't think even mark Hughes thought he could be that good when he bought him. Sometimes players just improve dramatically, it's great when you've got one a la Torres, but it's a bummer when you've sold one a la Bellamy. Thems the breaks though sometimes.

I think what makes him so formidable an opponent is his running with the ball at such electric pace ,I don't think anyone currently employed by Liverpool possesses such control at speed ,well albeit Riera when he chooses to get involved that is

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:03 am

Its a shame really because If people concentrated as much as getting rid of the Yanks like they are with the boss, then we could be on a winner, Im sorry but they are my number one priority at the moment, Im worried about this club, simple

by **aCe'** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:03 am

oh lando... heres a better stat for ya...

BELLAMY:

league:
started 13 games (3subs) : 6 goals, 6 assists
League Cup:
started 2 games (1sub) : 0goals, 2 assists

OVERALL :

started: 15 (4subs) , 6 goals , 8 assists

Kuyt:

league:
started 19 games (1subs) : 5 goals, 2 assists
League Cup:
started 1 game (0sub) : 0goals, 0 assists
FA Cup:
started 1 game (0sub): 0goals, 0assists
CL:
started 6 games (0sub) : 1 goal, 0 assists
OVERALL :

started: 27 (1subs) , 6 goals , 2 assists

by **bigmick** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:06 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:Bellamy Man City '09-'10 league record:

Games 16. Goals 6.

Kuyt Liverpool '09-'10 league record:

Games 14. Goals 5.

I'll let you all chew over the figures, bearing in mind that Kuyt is so unutterably rubbish this season...

Are you genuinely comparing Kuyt this season to Bellamy Lando? Leaving aside the fact they play on opposite flanks and kuyt has played a few times up top, I don't know what to say if you are really. It's a strange one.

by **aCe'** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:07 am

I'd love to know where Lando got those stats from though

Kuyt with only 14 games and Bellamy with 16

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:13 am

aCe' wrote:oh lando... heres a better stat for ya...

BELLAMY:

league:
started 13 games (3subs) : 6 goals, 6 assists
League Cup:
started 2 games (1sub) : 0goals, 2 assists

OVERALL :

started: 15 (4subs) , 6 goals , 8 assists

Kuyt:

league:
started 19 games (1subs) : 5 goals, 2 assists
League Cup:
started 1 game (0sub) : 0goals, 0 assists
FA Cup:
started 1 game (0sub): 0goals, 0assists
CL:
started 6 games (0sub) : 1 goal, 0 assists
OVERALL :

started: 27 (1subs) , 6 goals , 2 assists

Well if you want to include a competition Bellamy doesn't play in, that's up to you...

Funny, though, isn't it, how the utterly W*nk Kuyt virtually manages to match the fantastic Bellamy in the all-important league, despite playing in a lower-placed team?

Grasp away, friend - we all know you want to...

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:15 am

aCe' wrote:I'd love to know where Lando got those stats from though

Kuyt with only 14 games and Bellamy with 16

I simply read what was printed in front of me - how did you get yours?

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:19 am

bigmick wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Bellamy Man City '09-'10 league record:

Games 16. Goals 6.

Kuyt Liverpool '09-'10 league record:

Games 14. Goals 5.

I'll let you all chew over the figures, bearing in mind that Kuyt is so unutterably rubbish this season...

Are you genuinely comparing Kuyt this season to Bellamy Lando? Leaving aside the fact they play on opposite flanks and kuyt has played a few times up top, I don't know what to say if you are really. It's a strange one.

I'm simply giving you all something to think about.

by **bigmick** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:51 am

Based on your post I am thinking many things, unfortunately a comparison between Bellamy and Kuyt isn't one of them.

by **red_guy** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:03 am

Was it Bellamy for Torres or Bellamy For babel?

by **kazza** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:55 am

Say what you will about Bellamy, the fact he has changed teams so many times says plenty. I am sure getting rid of Bellamy was necessary and no doubt he will move from City. Bad business by Rafa? :laugh:

by **kazza** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:10 am

bigmick wrote:I don't comment on discussions that particular poster has Lando, whether it be with s@int, me or anyone else. I long since resolved to give that one a wide berth, and despite the fact that 90% of his posts either make reference to me by name or by quote, I intend to stick with my resolution, and that includes his pm's as well.

As usual you full of sh1t. I have sent you three PM's in four years, so let's not tell porky pies. You are the back door diplomicy man sending PM's to anyone that will listen, and you are far superior than me at that because I hardly ever send PM's. You love the attention, because when I back off I read a little thinly disgused dig at me so I respond then everyone calls me a stalker, especially you. It is how I know you love the attention (I think it is because you enjoy it when people back you up as it covers over your failures).

by **bigmick** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:23 am

kazza wrote:
bigmick wrote:I don't comment on discussions that particular poster has Lando, whether it be with s@int, me or anyone else. I long since resolved to give that one a wide berth, and despite the fact that 90% of his posts either make reference to me by name or by quote, I intend to stick with my resolution, and that includes his pm's as well.

As usual you full of sh1t. I have sent you three PM's in four years, so let's not tell porky pies. You are the back door diplomicy man sending PM's to anyone that will listen, and you are far superior than me at that because I hardly ever send PM's. You love the attention, because when I back off I read a little thinly disgused dig at me so I respond then everyone calls me a stalker, especially you. It is how I know you love the attention (I think it is because you enjoy it when people back you up as it covers over your failures).

by **Owzat** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:24 am

aCe' wrote:I'd love to know where Lando got those stats from though

Kuyt with only 14 games and Bellamy with 16

Bellamy stats of six goals in 16 tallies with soccerbase for Premiership goals/apps. Kuyt has scored five league goals, but to my knowledge hasn't missed a game so that makes it five from 20.

It does make for an interesting comparison considering Kuyt primarily plays on the right and since Torres has missed only five league games then Kuyt has not exactly been playing up top every game. Oh and Citeh have now scored one more goal than us in one less game. I can see how Bellamy would score more given the attacking options at Citeh compared to us being over-dependant on Torres for goals.

TOP THREE LEAGUE SCORERS

Liverpool (37) - Torres 12, two from Kuyt/Gerrard/Benayoun 5
Man City (38) - Tevez 9, Adebayor 6, Bellamy 6
Arsenal (51) - Fabregas 9, Van Persie 7, Arshavin 6
A Villa (29) - Agbonlahor 8, Carew 4, Milner 4

Oddly enough Chelsea, Tottenham and Man Utd have a bigger gap between top scorer and second, all with a leading scorer on 14 goals which Torres might well be on had he played every game

Man Utd (45) - Rooney 14, Berbatov 6, Valencia 5
Chelsea (45) - Drogba 14, fat frank 6, Anelka 5
Tottenham (42) - Defoe 14, Keane 6, Crouch/Krancjar 4

So all of spudz, Liverpool, Chelsea and the mancs have a top scorer who's scored within one of 1/3 of all their league goals.

Saying that Bellamy would do well if still here because he's doing well at Citeh is pure CONJECTURE, just like it was when he was doing well at rovers. Can simply be the wrong club for some players. I wish we'd gone and bought Defoe instead of Keane, that was a bizarre choice. Defoe is just turned 27, scored 157 career goals (19 for Bournemouth) Keane is two years older and scored 191 goals including 29 for Wolves in the second tier - both sourced as wikipedia so may not be bang up to date. I'd rather have paid £20.3m for Defoe than Keane

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