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Postby supersub » Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:04 am

Penguins wrote:Well, now he has earned another 3 months of garbage showings because his heart is so red... :no

He is so poor with the ball... but I can see why many likes him.
But he is so damn average it's unbelivable. But now he has scored against the blue***** so he is one step closer to sainthood.

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Postby Scottbot » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:28 am

Penguins wrote:But except for the win, which was lovely, did anything really happen out on the field in that game that makes you positive our poor form has turned?

We were 2nd best against that shower of ****. That is the truth no matter how you slice and dice it. And Kuyt isn't the only one being poor but he has been poor for a long time now and he never ever gets subbed no matter what.
He spends the time waiting for someone else in the team to make it happen so he can be the hero and tap in a rebound or another 5 yard shot.

His main criteria seems to be to run around and chase the ball like a dog and once he gets it he doesn't know what to do with it unless he is inside the 6 yard box.
Sounds harsh?
Well, it is the truth.

And isn't it time to live in the now?
In todays football yopu can't afford to have passengers like in the 70's and 80's if you top players was good enough.
The competition is so fierce in todays game and if you have a weakness you will be punished and you will be exposed.

And I prefer Benayoun on the right most games unless we are facing a skilled opponents that takes the game to us.

All this desire, running etc are blinding everyone from seeing Kuyt the footballer, and a very limited one he is.

Except for the win!? Fogive me for asking, but bearing in mind our recent record-breaking lack of form. Did anything other than getting the win actually matter? We won the game and that is the truth no matter how you slice and dice it.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:54 pm

Was involved in pretty much most of our attacking play throughout the game and scored a goal - not much more can be asked .
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Postby Penguins » Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:25 pm

Scottbot wrote:
Penguins wrote:But except for the win, which was lovely, did anything really happen out on the field in that game that makes you positive our poor form has turned?

We were 2nd best against that shower of ****. That is the truth no matter how you slice and dice it. And Kuyt isn't the only one being poor but he has been poor for a long time now and he never ever gets subbed no matter what.
He spends the time waiting for someone else in the team to make it happen so he can be the hero and tap in a rebound or another 5 yard shot.

His main criteria seems to be to run around and chase the ball like a dog and once he gets it he doesn't know what to do with it unless he is inside the 6 yard box.
Sounds harsh?
Well, it is the truth.

And isn't it time to live in the now?
In todays football yopu can't afford to have passengers like in the 70's and 80's if you top players was good enough.
The competition is so fierce in todays game and if you have a weakness you will be punished and you will be exposed.

And I prefer Benayoun on the right most games unless we are facing a skilled opponents that takes the game to us.

All this desire, running etc are blinding everyone from seeing Kuyt the footballer, and a very limited one he is.

Except for the win!? Fogive me for asking, but bearing in mind our recent record-breaking lack of form. Did anything other than getting the win actually matter? We won the game and that is the truth no matter how you slice and dice it.

Excuse me for looking a bit more long term than just 1 game...

I ask you again, did anything really happen out on the field in that game that makes you positive our poor form has turned?

Normally if you turn out displays like that you loose in the long run.

But I am sorry to touch the subject of saint Kuyt.
He is "one of us", "a true lfc legend" "insert another brainwash comment"  :no

Well, he will be famous for one thing if we keep on playing him when he shouldn't(like fpr example CL final). Least trophies compared to years spent at the club...
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Postby Owzat » Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:51 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Was involved in pretty much most of our attacking play throughout the game and scored a goal - not much more can be asked .

Considering few really had an outstanding game, it is poor that Kuyt is singled out (and Lucas) game after game after game. He wasn't great, but he wasn't alone and I mean that in two ways - alone in not being great and not alone on the pitch.

You need a fallback of his work ethic, ok he won't always be a superstar contributor up front but Gerrard wasn't much/any better and yet Kuyt gets the stick, even though he was the initiator of the cross that led to the rebound that he tucked away. If that isn't CREATING and SCORING an f in goal then what is?!?! Ok the creation is a tad generous, but I didn't see N'Gog missing chance after chance that the rest of the team set up.

I think our team should be renamed the "untouchables" and "touchables", there are those who will get (rightly at times) criticised and those who (wrongly) never will. Would I rather have Kuyt or Benayoun in my side? Without much doubt I'd have Kuyt, his bare minimum workload exceeds that of Benayoun, his fancy dribbling abilities may not be Benayoun's equal but his end product is on par

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Goals : Benayoun 5-5 Kuyt (4 apiece in the league, 1 apiece in the CL)

Premiership assists (FPL) : Benayoun 4-3 Kuyt
Premiership apps (FPL) : Benayoun 14-14 Kuyt

And to put the scoring into perspective, 3 of Benayoun's 4 Premiership goals were against Burnley. If Benayoun is some kind of superstar creative scoring machine then how come Kuyt, the workman of the team, is right up there with him statistically when he's in a widely accepted "spell of poor form" and I believe his goal yesterday was his first in 12?!?!?!
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Postby account deleted by request » Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:08 pm

To be fair to Benny , he has only started 13 games(9 league) this season while Kuyt has started all 20 games (14 league)we have played so far.
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Postby Penguins » Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:12 pm

Maybe cause Kuyt plays 90 min every game?

And the thing is Benayoun is a creative player who can turn players inside out and make something happen out of nothing.
He runs a defenders, challenges them.

When Kuyt gets the ball he goes out right, passes the ball back and goes into the box hoping to get the end of something other teammates create.

Kuyt is a versatile squad player who are useful in certain games and if we have the lead at the end of a game. He is no indispensible superstar and folkhero some try to make him out to be. He is a failed striker who became a right winger at the age of 28 in his career...
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Postby supersub » Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:20 pm

Penguins wrote:Excuse me for looking a bit more long term than just 1 game...

I ask you again, did anything really happen out on the field in that game that makes you positive our poor form has turned?

Normally if you turn out displays like that you loose in the long run.

But I am sorry to touch the subject of saint Kuyt.
He is "one of us", "a true lfc legend" "insert another brainwash comment"  :no

Well, he will be famous for one thing if we keep on playing him when he shouldn't(like fpr example CL final). Least trophies compared to years spent at the club...

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Postby supersub » Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:22 pm

nobody has proclaimed Kuyt as a superstar.....I like Benny on the pitch....
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Postby Fauxy » Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:00 pm

Penguins wrote:Maybe cause Kuyt plays 90 min every game?

And the thing is Benayoun is a creative player who can turn players inside out and make something happen out of nothing.
He runs a defenders, challenges them.

When Kuyt gets the ball he goes out right, passes the ball back and goes into the box hoping to get the end of something other teammates create.

Kuyt is a versatile squad player who are useful in certain games and if we have the lead at the end of a game. He is no indispensible superstar and folkhero some try to make him out to be. He is a failed striker who became a right winger at the age of 28 in his career...

Reading your posts makes me want to rub my eyes with sandpaper.. you are just the kind of supporter that would Boo their own players.

He is in a red shirt and as long as he is in it we should give him encouragment for trying his best. Same with Lucas and N'gog.
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Postby supersub » Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:14 pm

Fauxy wrote:
Penguins wrote:Maybe cause Kuyt plays 90 min every game?

And the thing is Benayoun is a creative player who can turn players inside out and make something happen out of nothing.
He runs a defenders, challenges them.

When Kuyt gets the ball he goes out right, passes the ball back and goes into the box hoping to get the end of something other teammates create.

Kuyt is a versatile squad player who are useful in certain games and if we have the lead at the end of a game. He is no indispensible superstar and folkhero some try to make him out to be. He is a failed striker who became a right winger at the age of 28 in his career...

Reading your posts makes me want to rub my eyes with sandpaper.. you are just the kind of supporter that would Boo their own players.

He is in a red shirt and as long as he is in it we should give him encouragment for trying his best. Same with Lucas and N'gog.

What would you expect from a post Istanbul recruit :O
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Postby Ben Patrick » Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:18 pm

Penguins wrote:Maybe cause Kuyt plays 90 min every game?

And the thing is Benayoun is a creative player who can turn players inside out and make something happen out of nothing.
He runs a defenders, challenges them.

When Kuyt gets the ball he goes out right, passes the ball back and goes into the box hoping to get the end of something other teammates create.

Kuyt is a versatile squad player who are useful in certain games and if we have the lead at the end of a game. He is no indispensible superstar and folkhero some try to make him out to be. He is a failed striker who became a right winger at the age of 28 in his career...

No he doesnt.

I recall him being subbed at least twice this season.

Just for the record Kuyt imo played far better than Gerrard who looked off the pace and was misplacing passes and even headers for the majority of the game.
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Postby supersub » Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:27 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:Just for the record Kuyt imo played far better than Gerrard who looked off the pace and was misplacing passes and even headers for the majority of the game.

At last someone seems to watching the game and posts a comment without prejudice....Gerrard was clealy absent in long spells and was not equipped with his passing boots but some will never spot those things.....because of who he is
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Postby bunglemark2 » Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:31 pm

Hear, hear
It's not the first game SG has gone AWOL and fans here and elsewhere seem to think he's untouchable.
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Postby Rockthekop » Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:37 pm

Rafa plays Kuyt in virtually every game because he fits perfectly with the style of play. 

We play a negative style of football and who better to have on the pitch to hassle, chase, stifle etc.  It's great when you're winning but not so when you're chasing a game.

While Rafa is here it's one of many things that we'll have to put up with.
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