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Igor Zidane wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:The point igor was makin is the reason we didnt get these players is down to one reason - Money/Funds and that ultimately leads to the Owners.

And you basically tore into it going on about Parry and making out as if its down to Rafa

The point i was making , was that we all base our opinions on rafa on either speculation or hearsay or what has come out in the media. None of us know him personally or what's really going on behind the scenes .So this was a chance for all of us to get some insight about the man the manager and about all the involving the owners ,transfers ,the academy ,the future ,straight from the horses mouth . Or one of the horses anyway .

What happens , it gets put down to spin and lies and manipulation .
Not taken for what it was ,which was just an honest interview , that's all .No big feckin drama's ,,no spin ,just an interview . So waht happen's now is what always happens on this forum .Rafa comes out looking likea tw@t and some master spin doctor who manipulates the press and us kn)bheads who believe in him .

   

If it makes you feel better I took it just for the face value of the interview. 

Now does that mean I believed every word of it I dunno maybe not but like I said who don't twist the truth now and agian to  favour thier motives.[/quote]

Nail on the head from Igor there. The media get away with murder with the misinformation they spread about Rafa. Tomkins does a great job, but no matter how good he is, Rafa can do it better if he steps up to the plate. Rafa knows his sh!t and can do a far better job of disproving the anti-Rafa stuff Tomkins ever could.

If he keeps on taking interviews like this and putting himself out there (a few decent results would be appreciated as well) he may just win over a few of the haters. If I had Rafa's email address I would be telling/begging him to go and do this more often.[/quote]
nIL ON HEAD

s@int wrote:The thing is Igor it doesn't matter what anyone says we all have our own opinions mate. My "spin" would be :-

I look back to 2006 and see a team that got 82 points, had a run from before Christmas that was title winning form and won the Fa cup.  I then wonder why he changed the style of the team and the personel so drastically.
   
We then had two years of trying to catch up ground we had lost.

I look at last season and see a team that got 86 points , had a run from Christmas that was title winning form and I wonder why he changed the style of the team and the personel so drastically.

We then had .......

We had a bad run in January and February, a good run up to then and then, once the balance had shifted terminally in favour of the mancs, won 10 out of our last 11 games. The run that cost us was P7 W2 D4 L1 which is 11 dropped points.

Had we lost at old twatford and Stamford Bridge as is the norm, we'd have been third behind Chelsea - 1. mancs 93, 2. Chelsea 86, 3. Liverpool 80. I know that's only an "if", but it puts our terrific season into perspective as hinging on two results to make what might otherwise have been another season many points behind the mancs. And the crucial point behind the "if" is that we can't count on winning those games and so this season was likely to be so much harder.

As for implied "be careful what you wish for" comments I've noted at least one of, let's be happy with what we've got hey!?!?!?    Maybe with Rafa we've quasi guarantees we finish top four and land CL football, but whether we finish 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 17th, it still doesn't equal a league title. The mancs will be delighted with our muddling along doing nothing in particular with no trophies while they've accumulated another three league titles, cancelled out both our CL wins and finals count and are still well in the title race this season and cruising in the CL while we're bailing out the titanic. Sometimes you need a fresh start, someone with new ideas. No need to go for Strachan or Curbishley, but then suggesting the most absurd or absurd doesn't make Rafa the ideal answer.

And is Rafa committed to the cause? If he leaves because we sell Torres then how is that committed? Maybe he realises all his eggs are in one or two baskets and he's finally dropped the basket. I think it was a foolish statement on his part, maybe if the owners want rid of him with no compensation then they'll simply sell Torres..........................

Owzat wrote:

s@int wrote:The thing is Igor it doesn't matter what anyone says we all have our own opinions mate. My "spin" would be :-

I look back to 2006 and see a team that got 82 points, had a run from before Christmas that was title winning form and won the Fa cup.  I then wonder why he changed the style of the team and the personel so drastically.
   
We then had two years of trying to catch up ground we had lost.

I look at last season and see a team that got 86 points , had a run from Christmas that was title winning form and I wonder why he changed the style of the team and the personel so drastically.

We then had .......

We had a bad run in January and February, a good run up to then and then, once the balance had shifted terminally in favour of the mancs, won 10 out of our last 11 games. The run that cost us was P7 W2 D4 L1 which is 11 dropped points.

Had we lost at old twatford and Stamford Bridge as is the norm, we'd have been third behind Chelsea - 1. mancs 93, 2. Chelsea 86, 3. Liverpool 80. I know that's only an "if", but it puts our terrific season into perspective as hinging on two results to make what might otherwise have been another season many points behind the mancs. And the crucial point behind the "if" is that we can't count on winning those games and so this season was likely to be so much harder.

As for implied "be careful what you wish for" comments I've noted at least one of, let's be happy with what we've got hey!?!?!?    Maybe with Rafa we've quasi guarantees we finish top four and land CL football, but whether we finish 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 17th, it still doesn't equal a league title. The mancs will be delighted with our muddling along doing nothing in particular with no trophies while they've accumulated another three league titles, cancelled out both our CL wins and finals count and are still well in the title race this season and cruising in the CL while we're bailing out the titanic. Sometimes you need a fresh start, someone with new ideas. No need to go for Strachan or Curbishley, but then suggesting the most absurd or absurd doesn't make Rafa the ideal answer.

And is Rafa committed to the cause? If he leaves because we sell Torres then how is that committed? Maybe he realises all his eggs are in one or two baskets and he's finally dropped the basket. I think it was a foolish statement on his part, maybe if the owners want rid of him with no compensation then they'll simply sell Torres..........................

good post mate. I doubt whether a team has ever come second in the league having beaten both the other top three teams home and away. This was a "golden opportunity" and if we couldn't take that  .......

Owzat wrote:And is Rafa committed to the cause? If he leaves because we sell Torres then how is that committed?

Owzat wrote:

s@int wrote:The thing is Igor it doesn't matter what anyone says we all have our own opinions mate. My "spin" would be :-

I look back to 2006 and see a team that got 82 points, had a run from before Christmas that was title winning form and won the Fa cup.  I then wonder why he changed the style of the team and the personel so drastically.
   
We then had two years of trying to catch up ground we had lost.

I look at last season and see a team that got 86 points , had a run from Christmas that was title winning form and I wonder why he changed the style of the team and the personel so drastically.

We then had .......

We had a bad run in January and February, a good run up to then and then, once the balance had shifted terminally in favour of the mancs, won 10 out of our last 11 games. The run that cost us was P7 W2 D4 L1 which is 11 dropped points.

Had we lost at old twatford and Stamford Bridge as is the norm, we'd have been third behind Chelsea - 1. mancs 93, 2. Chelsea 86, 3. Liverpool 80. I know that's only an "if", but it puts our terrific season into perspective as hinging on two results to make what might otherwise have been another season many points behind the mancs. And the crucial point behind the "if" is that we can't count on winning those games and so this season was likely to be so much harder.

As for implied "be careful what you wish for" comments I've noted at least one of, let's be happy with what we've got hey!?!?!?    Maybe with Rafa we've quasi guarantees we finish top four and land CL football, but whether we finish 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 17th, it still doesn't equal a league title. The mancs will be delighted with our muddling along doing nothing in particular with no trophies while they've accumulated another three league titles, cancelled out both our CL wins and finals count and are still well in the title race this season and cruising in the CL while we're bailing out the titanic. Sometimes you need a fresh start, someone with new ideas. No need to go for Strachan or Curbishley, but then suggesting the most absurd or absurd doesn't make Rafa the ideal answer.

And is Rafa committed to the cause? If he leaves because we sell Torres then how is that committed? Maybe he realises all his eggs are in one or two baskets and he's finally dropped the basket. I think it was a foolish statement on his part, maybe if the owners want rid of him with no compensation then they'll simply sell Torres..........................

When you put together any challenge and come up short by so little, no matter what team you are, it is going to hinge on one or two games here or there.  However, I do agree that maybe we do need someone with new ideas, maybe we don't I'm not sure either way quite yet to be honest but it is a possibility.  And as for Rafa being committed to the cause, really?  I don't understand the questioning of that.

Zidane wrote:However, I do agree that maybe we do need someone with new ideas, maybe we don't I'm not sure either way quite yet to be honest but it is a possibility. 

Pull the splinters out your arse.

LFC2007 wrote:

Zidane wrote:However, I do agree that maybe we do need someone with new ideas, maybe we don't I'm not sure either way quite yet to be honest but it is a possibility. 

Pull the splinters out your arse.

I'm still waiting till this season finally kicks off, if we can't pull a good finish off once everyone is healthy I would start questioning things.  That said I'm pretty sure we will start playing a lot better once people are back so I'm still backing Rafa to get us out of this hellhole we are in.

LFC2007 wrote:

Zidane wrote:However, I do agree that maybe we do need someone with new ideas, maybe we don't I'm not sure either way quite yet to be honest but it is a possibility. 

Pull the splinters out your arse.

I know just how Zidane feels. I have spent the last few years gradually drifting further and further towards thinking that maybe we need someone else to take the next step, and even then when I first said he should go I was unsure but just wanted to finally get off the fence. FFS the truth is I still don't know if he should go or not. I think Rafa makes too many mistakes, but that doesn't mean I think he is a cr@p manager, just that I think we havent progressed as fast and as far as I think we should have, and I have doubts that he can take us any further without a large transfer fund

s@int wrote:

bavlondon wrote:From 30 points of the pace in season 1 to only a few last season isn't good enough? It takes time Saint. Does Rafas superior record in his first 200 games to Wenger, Fergus and even Paisley not mean anything to you?

  better record than Paisley   

1975-76 League Championship
1975-76 UEFA Cup
1976-77 FA Community Shield
1976-77 League Championship
1976-77 European Cup
1977-78 UEFA Super Cup
1977-78 FA Community Shield
1977-78 European Cup
1978-79 League Championship
1979-80 FA Community Shield
1979-80 League Championship

4 league titles, 2 european cups and a uefa cup in his first 6 seasons mate

Bob's record in his first 6 years, and don't give me any guff about win percentages as the points system was different then and a draw away was a good result in those days. 

You count trophies mate ....nothing else matters.

He has spent almost £200million to take us from 82 points in 2006 to 86 points in 2009. Look on the bright side if we need 90 points to win the league we are only another £200million short 

I know it's unbelieveable it really is. I've been accused of "disrespecting" the manager on many occasions (even though I don't and haven't) and the same people who accuse me openly compare Rafa and his record to people like Shankly, Paisley and Dalglish. Incredible really.