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by **account deleted by request** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:35 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
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Benny The Noon wrote:
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LFC2007 wrote:In the past, Rafa's frequently made known his frustrations at our inability to tie up deals quickly in the transfer market. Long before now, and in much more optimistic times, so I don't think it's all pie in the sky as you seem particularly keen to imply.

The fact that you cite Turner as an example of this is especially baffling since it was widely known that Rafa was interested in him. Indeed, IIRC, Phil Brown and/or Rafa actually said the clubs were looking to negotiate a deal. I suspect we would have snapped up Kyrgiakos much earlier had he known where he stood.

If you want other examples, Alves and Simao are cast iron. Simao even boarded the plane.

IIRC the deal for Alves was done and dusted, but Rafa didn't want to pay the £10million that Parry had agreed to, and told Parry to cancel the deal. We then went for Pennant and Kuyt instead.

Im sorry saint but that seems totally false compared to what has been said - For one it was the failing of the Simao deal that forced us to go for pennant in the end in not the failure to get Alves - we didnt get Alves because the club wouldnt pay 8 million pound for a right back at the time in 2006 .Rafa wanted the player .

Nope. We went for Simao in 2005, we went for Alves in 2006 and bought Pennant in 2006 mate.

Thats why there was so much discussion about whether Rafa wanted to play Alves on the wing.

So he had to go for other options after not getting his first option ?!?! isnt that the point he is making

The point I am making is that it was Rafa who decided not to pay the agreed £10million for Alves, not that we had no money or Parry fecked up.

Well it was 8 mil according to reports and also according to reports it was the club that refused to meet the asking price - once agaian saint is that not just your opinion or is there anywhere that states that it was Rafa who refused to pay the money - remembering back then he didnt have full control over the transfers .

I dont know

I can't remember where I got it from now mate, but as far as I know thats what happened. Its not my opinion but something I remembered reading at the time.

As for the Kuyt deal we offered them Dudek and Kromkamp for him, but they insisted on cash.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:37 pm

LFC2007 wrote:I don't see where it says "Parry closed a £10m deal for Alves, but Rafa said 'no' " ?

If you noticed I was replying to Benny, and showing him that we went for Pennant after missing out on Alves NOT Simao as he had stated.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:37 pm

s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:In the past, Rafa's frequently made known his frustrations at our inability to tie up deals quickly in the transfer market. Long before now, and in much more optimistic times, so I don't think it's all pie in the sky as you seem particularly keen to imply.

The fact that you cite Turner as an example of this is especially baffling since it was widely known that Rafa was interested in him. Indeed, IIRC, Phil Brown and/or Rafa actually said the clubs were looking to negotiate a deal. I suspect we would have snapped up Kyrgiakos much earlier had he known where he stood.

If you want other examples, Alves and Simao are cast iron. Simao even boarded the plane.

IIRC the deal for Alves was done and dusted, but Rafa didn't want to pay the £10million that Parry had agreed to, and told Parry to cancel the deal. We then went for Pennant and Kuyt instead.

Im sorry saint but that seems totally false compared to what has been said - For one it was the failing of the Simao deal that forced us to go for pennant in the end in not the failure to get Alves - we didnt get Alves because the club wouldnt pay 8 million pound for a right back at the time in 2006 .Rafa wanted the player .

Nope. We went for Simao in 2005, we went for Alves in 2006 and bought Pennant in 2006 mate.

Thats why there was so much discussion about whether Rafa wanted to play Alves on the wing.

So he had to go for other options after not getting his first option ?!?! isnt that the point he is making

The point I am making is that it was Rafa who decided not to pay the agreed £10million for Alves, not that we had no money or Parry fecked up.

Well it was 8 mil according to reports and also according to reports it was the club that refused to meet the asking price - once agaian saint is that not just your opinion or is there anywhere that states that it was Rafa who refused to pay the money - remembering back then he didnt have full control over the transfers .

I dont know

I can't remember where I got it from now mate, but as far as I know thats what happened. Its not my opinion but something I remembered reading at the time.

As for the Kuyt deal we offered them Dudek and Kromkamp for him, but they insisted on cash.

I know the owner had to stump up the cash to bring in kuyt .

With regards to the Alves i remember it very clearly that the club refused to meet the asking price and Rafa being pretty annoyed with it at the time as he really wanted the player and rated him and nothing at all about Rafa himself not wanting to pay the money as he had chased the player for so long .

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:38 pm

Anyway the most important part of that interview for me is this
Benítez said. "If we want to have money available, then we have to sell some players. We have to sell expensive and buy as cheaply as possible.

An that im afraid has me so so worried , People need to realise weather Rafa is the boss or its someone else this will carry on happening, an i can see it getting worse. We have to sell one of prized assetts to pay there loan an then whats left we buy on the cheap,

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:42 pm

Oh an if anyone thinks im blaggin about Turner im sure i told someone on here but my memory being the way it is i cant remember who i told, :laugh:

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:44 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Oh an if anyone thinks im blaggin about Turner im sure i told someone on here but my memory being the way it is i cant remember who i told,

I had been told about the turner deal as well Nanny and also money been given for the silva deal - all being funded from the Alonso sale but that money was then taken away from him .

by **Igor Zidane** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:44 pm

So basically what your saying mick is that rafa is telling porkies in that interview? That he knew all along what his budget was ? Infact he's always known what his budget is ? That he has had and has always had the final say on who we sign ? That it was him that negotiated all the deals or potentail deals for signings or potentail signings.? That it was him who decided to sell alonso and the rest and not buy players with the money but put that money into paying off our debt . That he hasn't been lied to ? That he infact talked to Jurgen Klinsmann on the phone himself and told him to come to liverpool as the next manager ,cos he was sacking himself?

I'm with yer now , it's all been a big massive con . It was rafa all along , we've been duped . I've seen the light , get me signed up for your footy team right now ,cos i'm defecting .

We're all d!ckheads for believing in rafa , cos you knew right from the start he was conning us . What are we crying yanks out for , it was Rafa all along . GET THE FAT FECKIN SPANISH TW@T OUT OF OUR CLUB NOW. :no

by **LFC2007** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:46 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:With regards to the Alves i remember it very clearly that the club refused to meet the asking price and Rafa being pretty annoyed with it at the time as he really wanted the player and rated him and nothing at all about Rafa himself not wanting to pay the money as he had chased the player for so long .

That's my take on it.

The guy was uprooting trees with Seville. We surely wouldn't have pursued him for so long, only for 'Rafa to renege' once an agreement had finally been reached. I don't think the Manc's or Chelsea would have found difficulty in closing that one out.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:48 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:In the past, Rafa's frequently made known his frustrations at our inability to tie up deals quickly in the transfer market. Long before now, and in much more optimistic times, so I don't think it's all pie in the sky as you seem particularly keen to imply.

The fact that you cite Turner as an example of this is especially baffling since it was widely known that Rafa was interested in him. Indeed, IIRC, Phil Brown and/or Rafa actually said the clubs were looking to negotiate a deal. I suspect we would have snapped up Kyrgiakos much earlier had he known where he stood.

If you want other examples, Alves and Simao are cast iron. Simao even boarded the plane.

IIRC the deal for Alves was done and dusted, but Rafa didn't want to pay the £10million that Parry had agreed to, and told Parry to cancel the deal. We then went for Pennant and Kuyt instead.

Im sorry saint but that seems totally false compared to what has been said - For one it was the failing of the Simao deal that forced us to go for pennant in the end in not the failure to get Alves - we didnt get Alves because the club wouldnt pay 8 million pound for a right back at the time in 2006 .Rafa wanted the player .

Nope. We went for Simao in 2005, we went for Alves in 2006 and bought Pennant in 2006 mate.

Thats why there was so much discussion about whether Rafa wanted to play Alves on the wing.

So he had to go for other options after not getting his first option ?!?! isnt that the point he is making

The point I am making is that it was Rafa who decided not to pay the agreed £10million for Alves, not that we had no money or Parry fecked up.

Well it was 8 mil according to reports and also according to reports it was the club that refused to meet the asking price - once agaian saint is that not just your opinion or is there anywhere that states that it was Rafa who refused to pay the money - remembering back then he didnt have full control over the transfers .

I dont know

I can't remember where I got it from now mate, but as far as I know thats what happened. Its not my opinion but something I remembered reading at the time.

As for the Kuyt deal we offered them Dudek and Kromkamp for him, but they insisted on cash.

I know the owner had to stump up the cash to bring in kuyt .

With regards to the Alves i remember it very clearly that the club refused to meet the asking price and Rafa being pretty annoyed with it at the time as he really wanted the player and rated him and nothing at all about Rafa himself not wanting to pay the money as he had chased the player for so long .

You couldn't even remember what year it was

The point I (and Mick I think) was trying to make is its easy to pick out all the players that have been successful and say "we went for him". You don't hear them mentioning all the players they went for that flopped.

FFS if we look at some of the players we DID sign(from Morientes, Dossena, Kromkamp to Keane etc etc) there must have been quite a few narrow escapes as well mate.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:51 pm

I remember even clearer than you Benny , and it was definitely Rafa that put the blocks on the deal

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:53 pm

Didnt i say we went for Alves in 2006 which was the right year - also look through all the reports and it all states that Rafa wants the player , Rafa rates the player and that the "club" not rafa who refused to meet Sevilles asking price for the player - so once again are you not suggesting your opinion is the true facts when all we can go by is what is reported and nothing suggests rafa refused the price .

Which players that we went for and didnt get and flopped ? And i dont mean reports i mean firm bids like we put in for like alves and simao .

And if you remember so clearly why is their no reports about it being Rafa pulling the plug on the deal and only reports about the deal not going though because the "club" refused to meet the asking price . Very strange dont you think .

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:00 pm

Must admit i have just had a good laugh at posts back in 2006 from people saying how good kuyt is and how he is liverpool quality for years to come and thats posts from some people on here who now slag him off and say he isnt good enough and just average and limited :laugh:

by **Igor Zidane** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:05 pm

People will see and read what they want to according to there beliefs . It's really not worth debating if you can't see the wood for the tree's . Fair enough if you think it's all rafa's fault , yer not going to change your views . You's have come to the strange conclusion that Rafa is lying and that's that . Might aswell give up now , might aswell sack the fella and let the yanks run riot , sell who they want and do what they like with the money . After all who wants a lying manipulator as manager .

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:07 pm

The thing is though Benny its not about who was wrong an who was right about the quality of player Rafa has signed , The thing is about now an the future of this club, WE HAVE TO SELL BIG TO BUT CHEAP, Dosnt matter who is in charge or who we could or should have bought , If we have to sell our big players to bring in money to buy cheaper players ,as Rafa has stated, there im fecking more worried than i was before,

Why cant people just see this instead of arguing or picking faults with the manager , Its the fecking owners an as i said before dosnt matter who the manager is its still gonna carry on

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:08 pm

i think we still are a top drawer for the players - the big problem is the funding to go with it to pay for the fees and the big wages . I think a vast majority of players would join us if we could afford them . I think given the choice most players wouldnt pick chelsea over us if offered the same thing but with the mancs i guess it all comes down to the nationality of the player and how he supported etc .

Torres is a prime example of that. Benn reported that both Silva and Villa would prefer to join us if they came to the prem .

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