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by **Greavesie** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:28 pm

thats you and match threads done CHL

by **Dazzer** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:29 pm

Cool Hand Luke wrote:The performance was O.K in the first half but once Torres came off they took over. Torres was playing with a pain killing injection so he was never going to play the 90 minutes. But we bought on a replacement that cost us £11Mil and he looked useless, and that’s were the problem lies when it comes to Rafa. Taking Torres off was understandable considering his injury but taking Benayoun off was ridiculous.

The owners must be considering how long they can keep faith with Rafa and a bad result on Wednesday away against a very good side will probably see us out of the Champions League. There is a lot wrong at this club from the very bottom right to the top and whether we change managers or not we are in for a tough few years.

We had 5/6 first team players out today and we simply don’t have the quality in depth to cope with that many injuries. But we had 2 players who cost a total of £18mil that look useless and a bunch of our best youngsters who are simply not good enough to play at this level.

Our best 18 would look something like this and that many injuries would hurt every team in the premiership.

Reina

Johnson Carragher Agger Aurelio

Masch Aquilani

Benayoun Gerrard Riera

Torres

Subs: Ngog, Kuyt, Babel, Lucas, Insua, Skrtel, Cavalieri

We still managed to do a job on the mancs tho and brings me back to my first point about Rafa he fails to get players focused and up for these type of games.

by **RobinHood6969** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:29 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
tonyeh wrote:
s@int wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
s@int wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
puroresu wrote:The team today and the bench says it all. We have far too many poor to average players at the club.

That team put out was well capable, so don't be under any illusions that it wasn't. The first half proved that. For some inexplicable reason, they lost their balls in the second half. Just a series of individual errors that let them back into the match and some of these lot just didn't know how to deal with it. F*ckin gobshytes. The ref went a bit mental with those red cards. You always knew that after the United game that if Carra even made the same kind of error, or even slipped and trailed a player down by mistake, that he'd be instantly red carded. The refs in this league have no f*cking balls, and never have.

We seemed to give up as soon as Torres went off (injury or rafa? ) who knows why !

True. I noticed. That's the million dollar question. There are sometimes you can see why and it's obvious, but that has me baffled. The silly b@stard should know better, because as soon as he makes a decision like this, it's going to be blown into catastropic proportions if it goes t*ts up, which it did.

To be fair (and I am no Rafa lover) Torres wasn't having a good game apart from his goal, and was taking a lot of heavy punishment. I don't think the team should have buckled like they did.

Yeh, but taking him off Saint completely destroyed the team and taking off the others couldn't have done anything for the team either.

If I was on the pitch and saw the manager making those decisions I would have given up too.

If the gaffer doesn't give a fuck about making a go for the Premiership, why should I?

One could argue that Dirk Kuyt's moment of stupidy lead to the complete capitulation of the side. From that moment on, everything went horrifically wrong.

Yes..it would have better to concede a throw than do what moronic thing kuyt did. and Degen neva tracked the konchesky run

by **Bammo** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:29 pm

Dazzer wrote:
Bammo wrote:Our plan B still seems to be hoof it long for Crouch to win the header. There's something wrong with that but I can't quite work out what it is.....

Thats why we losing then because we don't have crouch any more.

It just strikes me as being blatantly obvious that if Babel is up front, whose strengths are speed and running with the ball, we (mainly Carra unfortunately) shouldn't play it up high for him to challenge Hangeland to a header.

by **tonyeh** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:30 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
tonyeh wrote:
s@int wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
s@int wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
puroresu wrote:The team today and the bench says it all. We have far too many poor to average players at the club.

That team put out was well capable, so don't be under any illusions that it wasn't. The first half proved that. For some inexplicable reason, they lost their balls in the second half. Just a series of individual errors that let them back into the match and some of these lot just didn't know how to deal with it. F*ckin gobshytes. The ref went a bit mental with those red cards. You always knew that after the United game that if Carra even made the same kind of error, or even slipped and trailed a player down by mistake, that he'd be instantly red carded. The refs in this league have no f*cking balls, and never have.

We seemed to give up as soon as Torres went off (injury or rafa? ) who knows why !

True. I noticed. That's the million dollar question. There are sometimes you can see why and it's obvious, but that has me baffled. The silly b@stard should know better, because as soon as he makes a decision like this, it's going to be blown into catastropic proportions if it goes t*ts up, which it did.

To be fair (and I am no Rafa lover) Torres wasn't having a good game apart from his goal, and was taking a lot of heavy punishment. I don't think the team should have buckled like they did.

Yeh, but taking him off Saint completely destroyed the team and taking off the others couldn't have done anything for the team either.

If I was on the pitch and saw the manager making those decisions I would have given up too.

If the gaffer doesn't give a fuck about making a go for the Premiership, why should I?

One could argue that Dirk Kuyt's moment of stupidy lead to the complete capitulation of the side. From that moment on, everything went horrifically wrong.

Perhaps, but the oportunity for at least a draw (which we'd all take now) was still there.

Torres showed in the first half that he can make something out of nothing.

I wouldn't be surprised if Benitez is losing the dressing room. The lads shaking their heads today at being brought off speaks volumes.

by **Dazzer** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:30 pm

tonyeh wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
tonyeh wrote:
s@int wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
s@int wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
puroresu wrote:The team today and the bench says it all. We have far too many poor to average players at the club.

That team put out was well capable, so don't be under any illusions that it wasn't. The first half proved that. For some inexplicable reason, they lost their balls in the second half. Just a series of individual errors that let them back into the match and some of these lot just didn't know how to deal with it. F*ckin gobshytes. The ref went a bit mental with those red cards. You always knew that after the United game that if Carra even made the same kind of error, or even slipped and trailed a player down by mistake, that he'd be instantly red carded. The refs in this league have no f*cking balls, and never have.

We seemed to give up as soon as Torres went off (injury or rafa? ) who knows why !

True. I noticed. That's the million dollar question. There are sometimes you can see why and it's obvious, but that has me baffled. The silly b@stard should know better, because as soon as he makes a decision like this, it's going to be blown into catastropic proportions if it goes t*ts up, which it did.

To be fair (and I am no Rafa lover) Torres wasn't having a good game apart from his goal, and was taking a lot of heavy punishment. I don't think the team should have buckled like they did.

Yeh, but taking him off Saint completely destroyed the team and taking off the others couldn't have done anything for the team either.

If I was on the pitch and saw the manager making those decisions I would have given up too.

If the gaffer doesn't give a fuck about making a go for the Premiership, why should I?

One could argue that Dirk Kuyt's moment of stupidy lead to the complete capitulation of the side. From that moment on, everything went horrifically wrong.

Perhaps, but the oportunity for at least a draw (which we'd all take now) was still there.

Torres showed in the first half that he can make something out of nothing.

I wouldn't be surprised if Benitez is losing the dressing room. The lads shaking their heads today at being brought off speaks volumes.

Something me lakes and heidimal pointed out and got told we was mad month ago. :glare:

by **aCe'** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:31 pm

JoeTerp wrote:
aCe' wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:There wasn't a manager on this earth that would have lead us to a victory today.

Why not ?

because the players played poorly, and Fulham took their chances

Come on Joe, you can do better than that....

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:31 pm

Dazzer wrote:
Cool Hand Luke wrote:The performance was O.K in the first half but once Torres came off they took over. Torres was playing with a pain killing injection so he was never going to play the 90 minutes. But we bought on a replacement that cost us £11Mil and he looked useless, and that’s were the problem lies when it comes to Rafa. Taking Torres off was understandable considering his injury but taking Benayoun off was ridiculous.

The owners must be considering how long they can keep faith with Rafa and a bad result on Wednesday away against a very good side will probably see us out of the Champions League. There is a lot wrong at this club from the very bottom right to the top and whether we change managers or not we are in for a tough few years.

We had 5/6 first team players out today and we simply don’t have the quality in depth to cope with that many injuries. But we had 2 players who cost a total of £18mil that look useless and a bunch of our best youngsters who are simply not good enough to play at this level.

Our best 18 would look something like this and that many injuries would hurt every team in the premiership.

Reina

Johnson Carragher Agger Aurelio

Masch Aquilani

Benayoun Gerrard Riera

Torres

Subs: Ngog, Kuyt, Babel, Lucas, Insua, Skrtel, Cavalieri

We still managed to do a job on the mancs tho and brings me back to my first point about Rafa he fails to get players focused and up for these type of games.

Johnson, Agger and Aurelio, 3 our of 4 best defenders all played against the Mancs.

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:32 pm

Dazzer wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
s@int wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
s@int wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
puroresu wrote:The team today and the bench says it all. We have far too many poor to average players at the club.

That team put out was well capable, so don't be under any illusions that it wasn't. The first half proved that. For some inexplicable reason, they lost their balls in the second half. Just a series of individual errors that let them back into the match and some of these lot just didn't know how to deal with it. F*ckin gobshytes. The ref went a bit mental with those red cards. You always knew that after the United game that if Carra even made the same kind of error, or even slipped and trailed a player down by mistake, that he'd be instantly red carded. The refs in this league have no f*cking balls, and never have.

We seemed to give up as soon as Torres went off (injury or rafa? ) who knows why !

True. I noticed. That's the million dollar question. There are sometimes you can see why and it's obvious, but that has me baffled. The silly b@stard should know better, because as soon as he makes a decision like this, it's going to be blown into catastropic proportions if it goes t*ts up, which it did.

To be fair (and I am no Rafa lover) Torres wasn't having a good game apart from his goal, and was taking a lot of heavy punishment. I don't think the team should have buckled like they did.

Was thinking the exact same thing, S@int, but I just couldn't be bolloxed writing that for fear of the wrath of the plebians. Torres was having a bit of a stinker, but it seems that unless your Alex Ferguson, you can't sub the best striker in the world for being sh*t on the day, otherwise you'll get murdered for it.

Edit - however, in saying that, even if Fernando was playing sh*t, he can still grab a goal out of nowhere, which he did.

I won't give you any stick for supporting him mate thats your right as a fan.

I just don't like being attacked by some members like I am cos I have had enough of Rafa we all have right to voice what we think with out getting attacked for it.

Doesn't really annoy me to be honest. What does, however, is lack of foresight from certain individuals, and a failure to grasp the situation which the club is in at the moment. There are no viable solutions to our current form at the minute, and berating the manager with abuse and calls for his head certainly is no way to go about it. They say a plumber is only as good as the tools he's been given to work with. I think today that metaphore can be an apt description of what Rafa had to put up with. It's through no fault of his that injuries and illness have wrecked the squad. Maybe if the Yanks had coughed up some more dough in the summer, we'd have a few better options other than Degen and Voronin. But let's not go into that debate.

by **bunglemark2** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:32 pm

Bammo wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Bammo wrote:Our plan B still seems to be hoof it long for Crouch to win the header. There's something wrong with that but I can't quite work out what it is.....

Thats why we losing then because we don't have crouch any more.

It just strikes me as being blatantly obvious that if Babel is up front, whose strengths are speed and running with the ball, we (mainly Carra unfortunately) shouldn't play it up high for him to challenge Hangeland to a header.

Unfortunately that's a very good point. Far better - if we're gonna play that muppet Babel - that he can leg it upfield and wait for a pass from Aquilani....

by **allred** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:33 pm

Tonight was another case of Rafa concentrating on the games coming up and not focusing on the game at hand.

i can't believe what happened tonight but i'm still sticking with Rafa and i believe that he is going to turn things around, starting with the game against lyon.

I know it's hard after that performance but try and stay positive people, getting down on the team helps no one.

by **dummydam** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:33 pm

liverpool lost again..........agggggggggggggg is it the end of Rafa era

???
here are full match highlights.....

Fulham 3-1 Liverpool

by **maguskwt** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:36 pm

What a horrible decision by the referee to send off Degen... Today just keeps getting worse and worse... the squad looks really really depleted and reminds of Rafa's first season... I hope our firs teamers all come back very quickly...

I can understand Torres being taken off because he just came back from injury and is not 100% fit. In fact as much as Babel is dumb, he should be doing some damage to the likes of Fulham with his pace. The horrible decision to send of Degen just changed the game. Yossi's substitution was a bad one though. Carragher had it coming... he is really struggling with players with pace... and if he doesn't play alongside Agger our defence just looks very very shaky...

by **Dazzer** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:36 pm

They also say a good work man never blames his tools ? End of day Rafa has alot of time and money to build a team that don't fall apart with 5-6 injurys ? and he hasn't the buck stops with him that is a FACT as he likes to put it.

by **bunglemark2** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:37 pm

Not convinced the Carra one was a red card either....

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