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by **bunglemark2** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:43 am

Emerald Red wrote:
Raffmaker wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Consider your responses to a disappointing point, before making fools of yourselves.

Yeah, and you also Lando before you make a fool of yourself!

You did not consider the Manager's decision to change the team and the formation? that was NEVER going to work agaisnt a good in the air, resilient stoke team.

Benitez was to blame, wrong team, wrong shape! but you dont mention this in your post Lando.

The team should have been....

Reina

Carra Hyypia Agger Aurelio

Kuyt Gerrard MAsch Riera

Keane Torres

Rafa made too mancy changes and that cost us.

We are still top, and the stats dont lie, but we will not get away with dropping too many points for the rest of the season, and mark my words, will not "draw" our way to the title!

How long will we stay at the top!

I hope Utd and Chelsea do close in, because then we will see if LFC have got what it takes to win the league under pressure.

Because that's what it takes...

What if he put out Torres, Keane and a formation of your liking, because you're the boss and you know best, and it failed to work and we still got a 0-0?

Would you still be yapping? I think yes. I think half this f*cking board would still be gurning and still having a dig at Benitez no matter what. To think, if I went and pulled some of the comments out from the Rafa on SSN thread saying how some of the same posters on here that are berating the manager, were singing his praises to the high heavens in there. Make your minds up. You either love him or hate him.

P*ss poor result, but it hardly knocks us out of the league. It'll be the 11th of January tomorrow and we'll still be top. Not bad going for a sh*t team and a manager that hasn't an ounce. Although, granted, leaving Torres and Keane on the bench to start with was a bit baffling IMO. It was a sh*t game on a sh*tty cold evening away from home. Why should it be an easy three points in these circumstances? The performance of some players, however, was unacceptable. Some awful schoolboy-like errors from players that you really wouldn't expect to see. Hyypia was guilty of a few; Reina was guilty of one shocker, Mascherano just looked completely amateurish at times, and Lucas' balls dropped off somewhere around the half way point in the first half. He was shocking throughout afterwards with his lax square hospital balls across the middle, putting the back line under pressure. Riera was pretty average with wasting possession, and Gerrard just looked like a man that had a lot on his mind. Our main players just failed to function properly, and you can't attribute that to the manager, so get off his f*cking back. True he could have started an unfit Torres, and an off form Keane, but would it have made a difference? Probably not. Just another one of those days which we seem to be having on and off this season.

Not a bad synopsis of some of the performances....but what continues to baffle the bejaysus out of me is the Benayoun thing. This guy is truly and simply muck, and I cannot for the life of me understand the reason for persisting with him. Yes I gripe about Gerrard as well at times, and tonight he had yet another mare.
To have the quality we have on the bench, sitting on their jacksies for 60 mins (or 90 mins in the case of Keane) puzzles the phuck out of me.
I think Rafa got it totally ar$eways tonight. Methinks he's doing a Keegan of a few years back....

by **heimdall** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:45 am

Very dissapointed with the game today, we hardly created anything and the weak links were Mascha and Lucas who were both fecking terrible. Rafa has to stop compiling dosiers on Red Nose and start focussing on finding proper positive effective tactics to beat lower table opposition. A little hint Rafa, try actually using some strikers and stop with this two holding midfielders :censored:

please!

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:21 am

bunglemark2 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Raffmaker wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Consider your responses to a disappointing point, before making fools of yourselves.

Yeah, and you also Lando before you make a fool of yourself!

You did not consider the Manager's decision to change the team and the formation? that was NEVER going to work agaisnt a good in the air, resilient stoke team.

Benitez was to blame, wrong team, wrong shape! but you dont mention this in your post Lando.

The team should have been....

Reina

Carra Hyypia Agger Aurelio

Kuyt Gerrard MAsch Riera

Keane Torres

Rafa made too mancy changes and that cost us.

We are still top, and the stats dont lie, but we will not get away with dropping too many points for the rest of the season, and mark my words, will not "draw" our way to the title!

How long will we stay at the top!

I hope Utd and Chelsea do close in, because then we will see if LFC have got what it takes to win the league under pressure.

Because that's what it takes...

What if he put out Torres, Keane and a formation of your liking, because you're the boss and you know best, and it failed to work and we still got a 0-0?

Would you still be yapping? I think yes. I think half this f*cking board would still be gurning and still having a dig at Benitez no matter what. To think, if I went and pulled some of the comments out from the Rafa on SSN thread saying how some of the same posters on here that are berating the manager, were singing his praises to the high heavens in there. Make your minds up. You either love him or hate him.

P*ss poor result, but it hardly knocks us out of the league. It'll be the 11th of January tomorrow and we'll still be top. Not bad going for a sh*t team and a manager that hasn't an ounce. Although, granted, leaving Torres and Keane on the bench to start with was a bit baffling IMO. It was a sh*t game on a sh*tty cold evening away from home. Why should it be an easy three points in these circumstances? The performance of some players, however, was unacceptable. Some awful schoolboy-like errors from players that you really wouldn't expect to see. Hyypia was guilty of a few; Reina was guilty of one shocker, Mascherano just looked completely amateurish at times, and Lucas' balls dropped off somewhere around the half way point in the first half. He was shocking throughout afterwards with his lax square hospital balls across the middle, putting the back line under pressure. Riera was pretty average with wasting possession, and Gerrard just looked like a man that had a lot on his mind. Our main players just failed to function properly, and you can't attribute that to the manager, so get off his f*cking back. True he could have started an unfit Torres, and an off form Keane, but would it have made a difference? Probably not. Just another one of those days which we seem to be having on and off this season.

Not a bad synopsis of some of the performances....but what continues to baffle the bejaysus out of me is the Benayoun thing. This guy is truly and simply muck, and I cannot for the life of me understand the reason for persisting with him. Yes I gripe about Gerrard as well at times, and tonight he had yet another mare.
To have the quality we have on the bench, sitting on their jacksies for 60 mins (or 90 mins in the case of Keane) puzzles the phuck out of me.
I think Rafa got it totally ar$eways tonight. Methinks he's doing a Keegan of a few years back....

There's no way he's doing a Keegan. For a start, people only refer to the Keegan incident because Keegan lost his cool over United and Fergie and just spouted bollox and incidentally blew up and lost the league even though they were something like 13 points clear or something like that. What people fail to mention is that other than Newcastle that season, United had no real competition, and the fact that we are not Newcastle United. We've been champions 18 times before and we now have a manager that actually has winning credentials whereas Keegan had sweet f*ck all.

As for the players on the bench, Torres is not 100% fit. There is no f*cking way that even Rafa Benitez would leave a totally fit Torres out of the starting line up in favor as Dirk Kuyt as the lone striker. I don't care what anyone says or thinks otherwise. It's just not going to happen unless he can only be used as a sub coming back from an injury, which he is. It's just caution from Rafa, and rightly so. If he's brought back into the fray too quickly and he does his hamstring again, his season is more or less over before he really got started. As for Keane, well, I do think it's a bit harsh for him to be left on the bench nevermind not making it into the starting line up. However, he is known to sulk. Torres recently came out in the press and stated that a Benitez team is not about the individuals, but the group. If Torres can understand and accept this, then Robbie Keane needs to wind his neck in and accept that he isn't the main man anymore. Regardless, I still think he should have at least played some role today. Lucas was horrible and should have been subbed for Robbie I think. As for Benayoun, he's been fairly decent in his last few games, so no doubt he's being picked due to his run of form. It's just that in games like this, he shows just how sh*t he can be with his lack enthusiasm. He was put on the right wing, and he kept driving inside instead of trying to hit the edge of the box and put a cross in. Rafa's error was to play Kuyt up front instead of Keane, probably, and have Kuyt out on the right instead. However, that's not to say that the team that was picked wasn't capable of winning there. It certainly was. Fact is, half the players didn't perform. I'd say that was probably the worst I've seen Riera play in a red shirt, and even though Torres was a sub, he still had 30 minutes to carve out a chance for himself, but didn't even get a sniff. Big factor for the draw for me is this simple: no Xavi Alonso.

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:23 am

heimdall wrote:Very dissapointed with the game today, we hardly created anything and the weak links were Mascha and Lucas who were both fecking terrible. Rafa has to stop compiling dosiers on Red Nose and start focussing on finding proper positive effective tactics to beat lower table opposition. A little hint Rafa, try actually using some strikers and stop with this two holding midfielders please!

Do read my post above.

by **metalhead** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:25 am

I didn't watch the game, I was at a footy match, though hearing from some views here that was a frustrating match wasn't it? oh well, another crucial 2 points dropped.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:58 am

i watched the match till 75mins, stream died, couldnt find any so i went to bed hoping that Torres scored and we won 0-1. but dreams dont come true so often i guess

loads of people are in a happy clappy...or maybe more accurately, patient mood where they dont wanna jump the gun. but those who are feeling fed up have a very good point too.

a) right now we are top of the league with 46 points, while Chelsea are 42 with a game in hand. Manure, are on 38 points with 3 games in hand. should they win all 3 games they'll go up to 47 points.

b) the reason why many are feeling defeated is because Manure look less likely to drop silly points compared to us. i honestly dont think they would fail to take advantage of chance after chance to widen the gap between us and the rest of the pack. we're lacking a cutting edge and ruthlessness. we also lack ideas as we're always depending on Gerrard and if Gerrard is having a bad game it seems no one else would come forward except Alonso but unfortunately he is injured and his absence just showed how valuable he is to helping us open games with his passes and calm.

c) the team selection was horrible, Lucas, Benayoun and an anonymous Kuyt up front alone doing what he does worse - being a striker. i didnt watch the entire game but i was on it enough to see Babel and Torres come on...did Rafa make use of his 3rd sub option? and if yes, can someone tell me who came on?

d) tonight Manure entertain Chelsea and if Chelsea wins, they go 1 point behind us but its ok as it would prevent Manure from getting full points off their games in hand. if its a draw, Chelsea stay 3 points behind us while Manure, should they win their other 2 games will go on to 45 points, 1 behind us. and remember we have yet to play them away. unless im mistaken, their games in hand are against Fulham and Wigan. hardly teams that would trouble them, thus the reaction of certain posters on here. we're closer then ever to winning the league and i hope we do. i also would have preferred if Rafa shut up and not try to play mind games or facts or whatever he did again as whenever he does that it backfires. this season though if we dont win the league i hope Chelsea does so we can protect our league records as i dont think its recognized that we won 20 titles, the other 2 being during the war period in the 1940s. in fact today i will be a Chelsea supporter. cause if Chelsea wins, they go 1 point but they will also have to come to Anfield while if Manure wins, we've yet to go to Old Twatford.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:16 am

Raffmaker wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Consider your responses to a disappointing point, before making fools of yourselves.

Yeah, and you also Lando before you make a fool of yourself!

You did not consider the Manager's decision to change the team and the formation? that was NEVER going to work agaisnt a good in the air, resilient stoke team.

Benitez was to blame, wrong team, wrong shape! but you dont mention this in your post Lando.

The team should have been....

Reina

Carra Hyypia Agger Aurelio

Kuyt Gerrard MAsch Riera

Keane Torres

Rafa made too mancy changes and that cost us.

We are still top, and the stats dont lie, but we will not get away with dropping too many points for the rest of the season, and mark my words, will not "draw" our way to the title!

How long will we stay at the top!

I hope Utd and Chelsea do close in, because then we will see if LFC have got what it takes to win the league under pressure.

Because that's what it takes...

Yes, because Agger is betetr n the air than Skrtyl...

Go to sleep mate - it's past your bedtime...

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:18 am

abbo8 wrote:What ever possessed Keane to join Liverpool he moaned enough when he was substituted at Tottenham. He should have learnt from the Peter Crouch saga that if you regularly score goals Benitez will keep you on the bench. The performance today was shocking. I would love to be able to hear what messages Benitez sends down to the bench.Unfortunately sitting at the top of the table secures his future for even longer, with their squad any of us could keep them at the top.
It seems everyone apart from Benitez noticed Lucas was rubbish. I just get so frustrated to see a great bunch of guys led by someone that appears most times not to have a clue.

"Regularly score goals"?

Are you on crack?

If Robbie Keane's goal return is what you consider "regular", I hope your Missus doesn't rely on your timing her periods...

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:20 am

Raffmaker wrote:
abbo8 wrote:. I would love to be able to hear what messages Benitez sends down to the bench.

One of them was........."Hi what are you wearing"

LOL LOL

Why don't you f*ck off back to the playground, gay boy?

by **maguskwt** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:26 am

On this forum, there are those who hate Kuyt, there are those who hate Benayoun, there are those who hate Lucas, there are those who hate Babel, there are those who hate Keane, there are those who hate Aurelio, there are those who hate Arbeloa, etc. If Rafa plays one of these players and the result doesn't go our way, Rafa is to be blamed.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:26 am

ruskiy playmaker wrote:
Kojot wrote:How can anyone expect from manager to make a challenge in 5 years? It is not a lot of time. Give him time,FFS

I'm a big Rafa fan, but that's just wrong. Five yrs is definitely enough time to make a challenge, especially with the money he's been given.

Don't you people understand sarcastic c*ntwipes when you see them?

Kojot is a f*cking WUM of the highest order!

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:34 am

maguskwt wrote:On this forum, there are those who hate Kuyt, there are those who hate Benayoun, there are those who hate Lucas, there are those who hate Babel, there are those who hate Keane, there are those who hate Aurelio, there are those who hate Arbeloa, etc. If Rafa plays one of these players and the result doesn't go our way, Rafa is to be blamed.

And there's me who hates everyone who chats b*llocks.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:48 am

Very disappointing result. I thought Stoke played a very simple and effective game against us. Their midfield players just tried to hold up our players on the break and their strikers pressurised our midfield. With a midfield player in front of them and a striker behind them, our midfield had no real outlets except sideways.

I think apart from the frustrating wait till our subs came on (why always wait till after the hour mark? ) we just showed again our lack of creativity.

For those that say we should have played 4-4-2 or that Alonso would have made the difference or that Keane should have played etc etc :- Reina ,Arbeloa ,Carragher ,Skrtel ,Dossena ,Kuyt ,Gerrard ,Alonso ,Riera (Babel ,65 ) ,Keane (Benayoun ,73 ) ,Torres
Subs not used: Cavalieri,Agger,Mascherano,Leiva Lucas,Degen,

THAT WAS THE TEAM THAT DREW 0-0 AT HOME AGAINST STOKE.

We desperately need to find a way of breaking down these teams that see a draw as being a huge victory.We need some form of plan "b", whether it be a target man or an early change of formation when things arn't going well.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:51 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:
Kojot wrote:How can anyone expect from manager to make a challenge in 5 years? It is not a lot of time. Give him time,FFS

I'm a big Rafa fan, but that's just wrong. Five yrs is definitely enough time to make a challenge, especially with the money he's been given.

Don't you people understand sarcastic c*ntwipes when you see them?

Kojot is a f*cking WUM of the highest order! (Or should that be a Bam/Stu?)

I don't think EITHER Bam or Stu are WUM's mate. :no

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:54 am

s@int wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:
Kojot wrote:How can anyone expect from manager to make a challenge in 5 years? It is not a lot of time. Give him time,FFS

I'm a big Rafa fan, but that's just wrong. Five yrs is definitely enough time to make a challenge, especially with the money he's been given.

Don't you people understand sarcastic c*ntwipes when you see them?

Kojot is a f*cking WUM of the highest order! (Or should that be a Bam/Stu?)

I don't think EITHER Bam or Stu are WUM's mate.

But they ARE sarcastic c*ntwipes?

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