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by **Emerald Red** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:15 pm

Effes wrote:I think the word fickle is being mis-used here.

These people would be fivckle if they changed their opinion on Kuyt.

Fact is they're not - they're still saying he's inadequate.

I'm critical of Kuyt most times - but most the time I don't blame him personally.
He's a striker being played out of position.

While he's making a fair fist of it at the moment - he still lacks ball control, ability to beat a player
and the vision.
But now seems the wrong time to maon - we've had a great start so I'm gonna quite moaning.

It's not being mis-used, and if Kuyt is scoring vital goals, the man is hardly inadequate.

by **tonyeh** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:15 pm

Emerald Red wrote:Yeah, but does he deserve abuse for working his balls off for the shirt and scoring some very important goals?

No, but he does deserve criticism for doing things badly, when he does things badly.

He may "work his balls off" and get some "important" (and cheap

) goals, but this is outweighed by his many limitations.

Yes, he can get some game winning goals, but ANYONE in the same position he's in at the time can score the usual Kuyt goal. There's nothing special about his goals. I'd understand the blinkered support, if he had broken through the oppostions defence and dribbled the ball past one or two players and then sneaked the ball past the keeper at the very last minute...but this isn't the case.

His goals are usually a tap in from someone elses failed attempt.

Am I happy the ball bounces off of him in occasion? Yes.

by **supersub** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:16 pm

peewee wrote:i dont watch a stream and i dont watch highlights thanks, i watch the whole game life on a large plasma tv with an uninterrupted view

basically you watch a 2 dimensional view of what the programme director wants you to see and not the bigger picture of the whole field and all 22 players.
tv critics heh!

by **supersub** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:19 pm

tonyeh wrote:He may "work his balls off" and get some "important" (and cheap ) goals, but this is outweighed by his many limitations.

.

important......cheap goals

now there's a contradiction in terms

another knob.head stuck to the armchair throwover :no

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:20 pm

Number 9 wrote:
Judge wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
tonyeh wrote:The goal saving tackle and then immediate pass to Kompany in yesterdays game typifies Dork Kuyt for me.

One moment cheering on the lad, the very next cursing his soul.

Does he score important goals?

garcia did that also matey, but he aint at lfc anymore.

theres no doubt he is like a shire horse when it comes to workrate, but a donkey when it comes to skill

we could get a thousand players to score important goals like kuyt, and make them work hard, but at the end of the day, they are just not good enough in the skill department.

why the fuck cant some folk see that! it beggars belief, it really does.

Judges longest footy post EVER!!

and the best too. i agree with Judge about aaron lennon. he would be a much better option.

by **Emerald Red** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:20 pm

tonyeh wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:Yeah, but does he deserve abuse for working his balls off for the shirt and scoring some very important goals?

No, but he does deserve criticism for doing things badly, when he does things badly.

He may "work his balls off" and get some "important" (and cheap ) goals, but this is outweighed by his many limitations.

Yes, he can get some game winning goals, but ANYONE in the same position he's in at the time can score the usual Kuyt goal. There's nothing special about his goals. I'd understand the blinkered support, if he had broken through the oppostions defence and dribbled the ball past one or two players and then sneaked the ball past the keeper at the very last minute...but this isn't the case.

His goals are usually a tap in from someone elses failed attempt.

Am I happy the ball bounces off of him in occasion? Yes.

So any player can get those kinds of goals that he does? Really? How many of those kind of goals did you see Pennant grab when he was playing Kuyts said position?

by **GYBS** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:21 pm

who cares if the goals arent special or not - do you get extra points from a "special goal " does it count as two goals or something ? at the end of the day the ball is in the bacl of the net wether its from a yard or 30 or you have dribbled past 200 hundred players or got a rebound - its all still one goal .

by **GYBS** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:22 pm

and is it the same tap in the torres put over the bar on sunday ?

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:22 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Effes wrote:I think the word fickle is being mis-used here.

These people would be fivckle if they changed their opinion on Kuyt.

Fact is they're not - they're still saying he's inadequate.

I'm critical of Kuyt most times - but most the time I don't blame him personally.
He's a striker being played out of position.

While he's making a fair fist of it at the moment - he still lacks ball control, ability to beat a player
and the vision.
But now seems the wrong time to maon - we've had a great start so I'm gonna quite moaning.

It's not being mis-used, and if Kuyt is scoring vital goals, the man is hardly inadequate.

its being misused. you are saying how the supporters are being fickle. i dont see anyone changing their opinion about kuyt.

by **supersub** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:22 pm

tonyeh wrote:Yes, he can get some game winning goals, but ANYONE in the same position he's in at the time can score the usual Kuyt goal.

funny that...anyone can do it.....and yet when shearer,owen and the like do it,the media call it a special instinctive knack of being in the right place at the right time.

by **Emerald Red** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:24 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Effes wrote:I think the word fickle is being mis-used here.

These people would be fivckle if they changed their opinion on Kuyt.

Fact is they're not - they're still saying he's inadequate.

I'm critical of Kuyt most times - but most the time I don't blame him personally.
He's a striker being played out of position.

While he's making a fair fist of it at the moment - he still lacks ball control, ability to beat a player
and the vision.
But now seems the wrong time to maon - we've had a great start so I'm gonna quite moaning.

It's not being mis-used, and if Kuyt is scoring vital goals, the man is hardly inadequate.

its being misused. you are saying how the supporters are being fickle. i dont see anyone changing their opinion about kuyt.

They do when he scores ones like he did against City. For a few seconds or more, Kuyt is the dogs balls, then it wears off. Kind of like Viagra. Yeah, Kuyt is the Viagra of our team.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:25 pm

kuyt is lucky he has a good work rate cause he is gonna need it considering how often the ball bounces off him. he is just making up for what he has lost. i dont understand why some people are so blinded by him. he scores a goal and all of a sudden he is forgiven for not scoring in the last 28.

by **GYBS** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:28 pm

forgiven ?? forgiven for what

? he hasnt done anything wrong to be forgiven in my eyes cause he contributes .

thats not just one goal this season . thats now three important ones this season plus a couple of important assists as well .

by **Emerald Red** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:28 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:kuyt is lucky he has a good work rate cause he is gonna need it considering how often the ball bounces off him. he is just making up for what he has lost. i dont understand why some people are so blinded by him. he scores a goal and all of a sudden he is forgiven for not scoring in the last 28.

That's complete bollox. How can you say the ball just bounces off him? The ball just bounced off Keane's ankle the other night, but it was a great finish all the same. You have to be in there at the right time to put things away. Rush done it for years, and so did Robbie. I never see anyone say the ball just bounced of them. Complete balls. Oh, and if Kuyt is scoring in other competitions, and Torres is banging them in in the league, who cares if it's taken him 28 matches? It all evens itself out. Kuyt is important if he's scoring in the CL, which he often does.

by **GYBS** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:29 pm

emerald i couldnt care where the ball bounces of him as long as its a goal of a goal making pass .

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