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Sabre wrote:It will be fun to hear the commentators spelling his name, as I think it's a difficult one for an english speaking person , I guess he'll become just "Albert" here.

Do you mean how they will prenounce his name mate?
Is it not just how it looks if you know what i mean, like Ree air ra?
FWIW i welcome the guy with open arms and hope he can make the possition his own, he knows what the prem is about and he also knows this is the move of his career, theres lots of other spanish lads here that im sure will help him along and settle him in off the park.
In short im hoping he can hit the ground running although if he does take/need a little time it should be afforded to him IMO.

bavlondon wrote:

LiverpoolMadman wrote:I'm getting    when Rafa again and again buy unknown player ... In less than 48 hrs we have miss SWP (10M) and milner (10M) ....

I got no problem with Rafa buying unknown players, so long as they have the quality to play here. Look how many unknown players have turned into stars at Arsenal. Their kids ran rings around our first team on our home ground ffs!

Anyway I hope he turns out good.

Reg wrote:Who says he´s even match fit?   He could be bigger than Sammy Lee.

speaking of sammy lee have they managed to put his eyes back in yet after wensdays game. 

LiverpoolMadman wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

LiverpoolMadman wrote:I'm getting    when Rafa again and again buy unknown player ... In less than 48 hrs we have miss SWP (10M) and milner (10M) ....

I got no problem with Rafa buying unknown players, so long as they have the quality to play here. Look how many unknown players have turned into stars at Arsenal. Their kids ran rings around our first team on our home ground ffs!

Anyway I hope he turns out good.

At 26 he no more kids .... hope that he will prove some us wrong.

Again I really "puzzle" about Rafa on buying GB . He state clearing that he wants English but end of the day he bought other player.

SWP and Milner already "gone" ....but still NOT too late hope that he did't sign for this player and buy atleast two english wingers like he did mention .... Left winger > Downing and Right Winger > Aaron Lennon .... "cross-finger"

Lennon and Downing? Why Europe's defences will be quaking with fear. Forget Ronaldo and Giggs, Nasri and Rosicky and Iniesta and Hleb, here come Aaron Lennon and Stuart Downing. Gosh, how scary.

Almighty Red wrote:

LiverpoolMadman wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

LiverpoolMadman wrote:I'm getting    when Rafa again and again buy unknown player ... In less than 48 hrs we have miss SWP (10M) and milner (10M) ....

I got no problem with Rafa buying unknown players, so long as they have the quality to play here. Look how many unknown players have turned into stars at Arsenal. Their kids ran rings around our first team on our home ground ffs!

Anyway I hope he turns out good.

At 26 he no more kids .... hope that he will prove some us wrong.

Again I really "puzzle" about Rafa on buying GB . He state clearing that he wants English but end of the day he bought other player.

SWP and Milner already "gone" ....but still NOT too late hope that he did't sign for this player and buy atleast two english wingers like he did mention .... Left winger > Downing and Right Winger > Aaron Lennon .... "cross-finger"

Lennon and Downing? Why Europe's defences will be quaking with fear. Forget Ronaldo and Giggs, Nasri and Rosicky and Iniesta and Hleb, here come Aaron Lennon and Stuart Downing. Gosh, how scary.

RedBen wrote:

Almighty Red wrote:

LiverpoolMadman wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

LiverpoolMadman wrote:I'm getting    when Rafa again and again buy unknown player ... In less than 48 hrs we have miss SWP (10M) and milner (10M) ....

I got no problem with Rafa buying unknown players, so long as they have the quality to play here. Look how many unknown players have turned into stars at Arsenal. Their kids ran rings around our first team on our home ground ffs!

Anyway I hope he turns out good.

At 26 he no more kids .... hope that he will prove some us wrong.

Again I really "puzzle" about Rafa on buying GB . He state clearing that he wants English but end of the day he bought other player.

SWP and Milner already "gone" ....but still NOT too late hope that he did't sign for this player and buy atleast two english wingers like he did mention .... Left winger > Downing and Right Winger > Aaron Lennon .... "cross-finger"

Lennon and Downing? Why Europe's defences will be quaking with fear. Forget Ronaldo and Giggs, Nasri and Rosicky and Iniesta and Hleb, here come Aaron Lennon and Stuart Downing. Gosh, how scary.

Damn straight. You'd better hail the supreme masters of the wing. 

RedBen wrote:

Almighty Red wrote:

LiverpoolMadman wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

LiverpoolMadman wrote:I'm getting    when Rafa again and again buy unknown player ... In less than 48 hrs we have miss SWP (10M) and milner (10M) ....

I got no problem with Rafa buying unknown players, so long as they have the quality to play here. Look how many unknown players have turned into stars at Arsenal. Their kids ran rings around our first team on our home ground ffs!

Anyway I hope he turns out good.

At 26 he no more kids .... hope that he will prove some us wrong.

Again I really "puzzle" about Rafa on buying GB . He state clearing that he wants English but end of the day he bought other player.

SWP and Milner already "gone" ....but still NOT too late hope that he did't sign for this player and buy atleast two english wingers like he did mention .... Left winger > Downing and Right Winger > Aaron Lennon .... "cross-finger"

Lennon and Downing? Why Europe's defences will be quaking with fear. Forget Ronaldo and Giggs, Nasri and Rosicky and Iniesta and Hleb, here come Aaron Lennon and Stuart Downing. Gosh, how scary.

LiverpoolMadman wrote:

RedBen wrote:

Almighty Red wrote:

LiverpoolMadman wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

LiverpoolMadman wrote:I'm getting    when Rafa again and again buy unknown player ... In less than 48 hrs we have miss SWP (10M) and milner (10M) ....

I got no problem with Rafa buying unknown players, so long as they have the quality to play here. Look how many unknown players have turned into stars at Arsenal. Their kids ran rings around our first team on our home ground ffs!

Anyway I hope he turns out good.

At 26 he no more kids .... hope that he will prove some us wrong.

Again I really "puzzle" about Rafa on buying GB . He state clearing that he wants English but end of the day he bought other player.

SWP and Milner already "gone" ....but still NOT too late hope that he did't sign for this player and buy atleast two english wingers like he did mention .... Left winger > Downing and Right Winger > Aaron Lennon .... "cross-finger"

Lennon and Downing? Why Europe's defences will be quaking with fear. Forget Ronaldo and Giggs, Nasri and Rosicky and Iniesta and Hleb, here come Aaron Lennon and Stuart Downing. Gosh, how scary.

I'm also question that too. Is Signing Riera will make Europe's defences quaking with fear? If we sign Downing and Aaron Lennon, at least they are English players. That is what Rafa state when he almost sign GB and still wanted to sell Alonso to the Goners.

What does it matter if they're English? Unless the 6+5 rule really does come into effect (and I sincerely doubt that'll happen), it doesn't at all, in my opinion, though I'm sure there are plenty of jingoistic fools who'll disagree.
I know little about Riera but I do know for sure that Downing is not a winger worthy of playing for LFC, and nor is Lennon. Sure, Lennon can run fast, but until he learns to cross, I think we'd be better off with an unknown foreign import who Rafa believes can do the job.
Anyway, it seems that anyone who follows La Liga thinks Riera is a pretty good player. The real doubters either know -all about him, or remember vaguely that he wasn't great for Man City.
I'm more optimistic about Riera, at least.
Barry would, of course, be another matter entirely, as he is not only a class player, but one who has a good partnership with Stevie Gerrard already.

LegBarnes wrote:I love that player newcastle got that right winger Gutierrez .

He like kuyt with his work rate , great first touch , can run it past people with ease .

First 3 games for them i am like Wow how we miss this guy he is really top player.

Tbh wasted at newcastle.

LegBarnes wrote:I love that player newcastle got that right winger Gutierrez .

He like kuyt with his work rate , great first touch , can run it past people with ease .

First 3 games for them i am like Wow how we miss this guy he is really top player.

Tbh wasted at newcastle.

"The Jonas Gutierrez story by Chris Bascombe

Liverpool's sponsors Carlsberg have a perceptive and amusing advert doing the rounds at the moment.

It charts the meteoric raise of a mediocre footballer. In one shot you see him mis-kick in front of an open goal for a Sunday league team. In the next, newspaper headlines are proclaiming him the greatest player since Pele and he's about to sign for the European Champions (it's a bit like the Neil Webb story 15 years too late).

The slogan at the end acclaims 'probably the best football agent in the world'.

The advertisers may be aware just how close to reality this tale is, especially if they have knowledge of the case of Argentinian 'wonderkid' and Planet Football columnist Jonas Gutierrez.

Gutierrez, you may recall, spent a few days on trial at Liverpool recently. It would have been a week but the Reds thought two days was more than enough.

In the course of his spell in England, Jonas managed to build an entire career. Depending on what you read, he was going to put his love for Everton to one side, sign for Liverpool, become the next Ryan Giggs and solve Houllier's width problems before moving to Real Madrid. All this thanks to a few training sessions in a pair of white boots

You may have thought this sounded too good to be true. You'd be right.

Even his arrival was heralded far too excitedly. One Sunday paper had laughingly described the player as 'Gerard Houllier's first big summer signing'.

Had it not been for the player's agent - and the fact he signed more autographs in a day than Michael Owen does in a year - Gutierrez would have flown in an out without anyone noticing he'd been here, just like the other half dozen or so triallists who pass through the Melwood gates each season.

Unfortunately, the unnecessary excitement surrounding the Argentinian made Mr Nobody from Nowhere a potential superstar for a week.

Triallists are hardly worth such attention. In some cases, the coaching staff haven't even heard of the players'. They agree to look at them out of courtesy because their representative is pushy enough, works for someone else who the club could be interested in at a later date, or are even prepared to pay a ludicrous amount of cash just to
have their man have the experience of training with the first team.

In the Gutierrez case, the last option explained his presence on Merseyside. His agent paid for the privilege. Houllier had no intention of signing the lad unless he could prove he was some kind of South American phenomenon. He wasn't.

That didn't stop the campaign to get him noticed going into overdrive with a series of 'interviews' appearing from the same sources which gave Gutierrez far more credibility than he deserved.

"I'm a bit like Ryan Giggs," was the first gem. To be fair, maybe something was lost in translation. What Jonas probably really said was: "I flew here on Ryan Air."

If that wasn't enough, this was followed with..."It will be funny playing for Liverpool because I'm an Everton fan." As own goals go, it was the biggest since I decided to take that mini-break in Baghdad last January. Had our white-booted, floppy fringed Argentinian friend finished? Not yet. "I want to play in Spain but England will do for now."

We're honoured by your presence Jonas. Liverpool will be delighted to be your 'stepping stone' to Madrid. If he was that good, why did he need a trial?

As it turned out, Jonas was 'no Maradona', as one observer close to the action put it. Liverpool didn't want him. When the wonderkid was told not to come back for his last day's training, the PR machine needed re-oiling.

Speaking on his behalf, Jonas' agent informed the nearest website: "Liverpool were impressed but they need someone to go straight into the team."

That's one way of putting it. Another would be 'he wasn't even as good as some of the kids playing on Stanley Park and we told him it wasn't worth him coming back tomorrow'.

Then the newspaper which claimed he would be the first summer signing needed to backtrack. "Houllier has suffered a major blow because Gutierrez was not as good as he thought he was," claimed the story.

Wrong! Gutierrez wasn't the player he thought he was. He left and we thought that was the end of it. The 15 minutes of fame had expired.

Until...yes. Jonas was at it again this week. It seems he hasn't given up on his dream move to Spain (via a few years in Liverpool). "I would like very much the chance to play for Liverpool. I was satisfied with what I did. I gave the best of myself. Now I only have to wait and see what happens. If something will be done, it will happen in June," he said.

Can this lad take a hint or what?

Listen Jonas, or your agent, or your contact at Planet Football, can you get the message? It ain't gonna happen. Please stop.

The case of Jonas Gutierrez is proof the truth isn't always as strange as the fiction - but sometimes it's funnier.

Chris Bascombe is the Reds' correspondent for the Liverpool Echo. His views expressed here do not necessarily represent those of Liverpool Football Club or Liverpoolfc.tv."

s@int wrote:

LegBarnes wrote:I love that player newcastle got that right winger Gutierrez .

He like kuyt with his work rate , great first touch , can run it past people with ease .

First 3 games for them i am like Wow how we miss this guy he is really top player.

Tbh wasted at newcastle.

"The Jonas Gutierrez story by Chris Bascombe

Liverpool's sponsors Carlsberg have a perceptive and amusing advert doing the rounds at the moment.

It charts the meteoric raise of a mediocre footballer. In one shot you see him mis-kick in front of an open goal for a Sunday league team. In the next, newspaper headlines are proclaiming him the greatest player since Pele and he's about to sign for the European Champions (it's a bit like the Neil Webb story 15 years too late).

The slogan at the end acclaims 'probably the best football agent in the world'.

The advertisers may be aware just how close to reality this tale is, especially if they have knowledge of the case of Argentinian 'wonderkid' and Planet Football columnist Jonas Gutierrez.

Gutierrez, you may recall, spent a few days on trial at Liverpool recently. It would have been a week but the Reds thought two days was more than enough.

In the course of his spell in England, Jonas managed to build an entire career. Depending on what you read, he was going to put his love for Everton to one side, sign for Liverpool, become the next Ryan Giggs and solve Houllier's width problems before moving to Real Madrid. All this thanks to a few training sessions in a pair of white boots

You may have thought this sounded too good to be true. You'd be right.

Even his arrival was heralded far too excitedly. One Sunday paper had laughingly described the player as 'Gerard Houllier's first big summer signing'.

Had it not been for the player's agent - and the fact he signed more autographs in a day than Michael Owen does in a year - Gutierrez would have flown in an out without anyone noticing he'd been here, just like the other half dozen or so triallists who pass through the Melwood gates each season.

Unfortunately, the unnecessary excitement surrounding the Argentinian made Mr Nobody from Nowhere a potential superstar for a week.

Triallists are hardly worth such attention. In some cases, the coaching staff haven't even heard of the players'. They agree to look at them out of courtesy because their representative is pushy enough, works for someone else who the club could be interested in at a later date, or are even prepared to pay a ludicrous amount of cash just to
have their man have the experience of training with the first team.

In the Gutierrez case, the last option explained his presence on Merseyside. His agent paid for the privilege. Houllier had no intention of signing the lad unless he could prove he was some kind of South American phenomenon. He wasn't.

That didn't stop the campaign to get him noticed going into overdrive with a series of 'interviews' appearing from the same sources which gave Gutierrez far more credibility than he deserved.

"I'm a bit like Ryan Giggs," was the first gem. To be fair, maybe something was lost in translation. What Jonas probably really said was: "I flew here on Ryan Air."

If that wasn't enough, this was followed with..."It will be funny playing for Liverpool because I'm an Everton fan." As own goals go, it was the biggest since I decided to take that mini-break in Baghdad last January. Had our white-booted, floppy fringed Argentinian friend finished? Not yet. "I want to play in Spain but England will do for now."

We're honoured by your presence Jonas. Liverpool will be delighted to be your 'stepping stone' to Madrid. If he was that good, why did he need a trial?

As it turned out, Jonas was 'no Maradona', as one observer close to the action put it. Liverpool didn't want him. When the wonderkid was told not to come back for his last day's training, the PR machine needed re-oiling.

Speaking on his behalf, Jonas' agent informed the nearest website: "Liverpool were impressed but they need someone to go straight into the team."

That's one way of putting it. Another would be 'he wasn't even as good as some of the kids playing on Stanley Park and we told him it wasn't worth him coming back tomorrow'.

Then the newspaper which claimed he would be the first summer signing needed to backtrack. "Houllier has suffered a major blow because Gutierrez was not as good as he thought he was," claimed the story.

Wrong! Gutierrez wasn't the player he thought he was. He left and we thought that was the end of it. The 15 minutes of fame had expired.

Until...yes. Jonas was at it again this week. It seems he hasn't given up on his dream move to Spain (via a few years in Liverpool). "I would like very much the chance to play for Liverpool. I was satisfied with what I did. I gave the best of myself. Now I only have to wait and see what happens. If something will be done, it will happen in June," he said.

Can this lad take a hint or what?

Listen Jonas, or your agent, or your contact at Planet Football, can you get the message? It ain't gonna happen. Please stop.

The case of Jonas Gutierrez is proof the truth isn't always as strange as the fiction - but sometimes it's funnier.

Chris Bascombe is the Reds' correspondent for the Liverpool Echo. His views expressed here do not necessarily represent those of Liverpool Football Club or Liverpoolfc.tv."