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by **bigmick** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:22 pm

I know the press are probably just bored, and so am I but I ask the question anyway. Now i think we can take it as read that Madrid are trying to secure Ronaldo off of Man Utd, and the more I hear the rumours the more I think Chelsea see torres as the missing link between them and Man Utd.

Now we know Abrhamovich has unlimited funds, and without being silly about it (becuase don't you just know someone will come on and say "I wouldn't sell Torres for 500 million") is there a fee which which might tempt us? Now if the transfer fee has no limit, presumeably the wages don't either so however much the young fella loves the club, he'll have a breaking pooint too in terms of wages (half a million a week anyone?).

Now I ask the question merely as a conversational point, so if I could make a request that the thought police give it a while before they call me all the traitors under the sun, then gather together into a mob and give me a kicking for daring to think outside the box.

For my money, if Torres was to move he clearly would have to be the most expensive transfer in the history of football. We don't want to sell, and they want to buy. We have to replace him and others, and you have to add in the "feck 'em" factor. 100 million, that's my price. I think they'd seriously consider paying it too.

Add on- hands off the cash Hicks you fat c...

by **Sabre** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:25 pm

Disclaimer: I don't only like Torres by now, I love him.

Disclaimer: I was wrong about him

Disclaimer: His first season has been absolutely fantastic. Speechless.

That said, there is no player that cost, say, 75M, and I think that we could ASK RAFA to build a league winning team with that money, including a new striker, and the required wingers. With no excuses at that.

So despite all the disclaimers, yes, I would, for that 70M and above numbers.

Needless to say, the same applies to Alonso and anybody, except perhaps Gerrard and Carra for emotional/the team has to have a scouse bit reasons.

by **destro** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:26 pm

I can't believe some people would even consider selling Torres? Even for £500m I wouldn't sell him, least at all to our EPL rivals

Do you have the Lottery numbers to Mick :laugh:

by **7_Kewell** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:28 pm

destro wrote:
I can't believe some people would even consider selling Torres? Even for £500m I wouldn't sell him, least at all to our EPL rivals

Do you have the Lottery numbers to Mick

by **7_Kewell** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:30 pm

sugarcoatediceberg91 wrote:no player is bigger than the club and every player has their price, but what Torres' price is I don't know.

so in answer yes there is a fee big enough.

500 million apparently

by **NANNY RED** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:31 pm

Its a deffo no amount of money waved at us and i mean no amount would be good enough

by **bigmick** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:32 pm

Well a couple of years back Sabes we almost sold Gerrard as you know, although he seemingly wanted to go. I made a post at the time which broadly said "for 30 mill', feck it sell him". I got lambasted by some members on here, one in particular I remember was Leon. The reason I remember one of his posts so well, it was basically a ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha all the way down the page is because as it turns out he was 100% correct, and I was totally wrong. Time has proven it to be so in spades, selling Gerrard for that money then would have been an absolute disaster for the club. (It's by no means always that I agree with the aforementioned poster I should say, but fair play to him on that particular occasion he was on the money).

So what of Torres? I say 100 mill largely for the same reason as you say 75 in that we could build a title challenge with that. Would we though be thinking in a couple of years, "sh!t we fecked up there"? Would becoming a selling club for economic reasons be the beginning of the end? Dunno

by **metalhead** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:34 pm

I just can't see Torres wearing the blue shirt! It doesn't even match!!

by **NANNY RED** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:39 pm

sugarcoatediceberg91 wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Its a deffo no amount of money waved at us and i mean no amount would be good enough

didn't we think that about Keegan in 77, Rush 87, Fowler 02 and Owen in 05 though? we've sold a few of our superstars over the years but still found a better replacement.

like I've said every player has their price.

Erm if my memory serves me right most of them wanted to go

by **7_Kewell** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:39 pm

bigmick wrote:Well a couple of years back Sabes we almost sold Gerrard as you know, although he seemingly wanted to go. I made a post at the time which broadly said "for 30 mill', feck it sell him". I got lambasted by some members on here, one in particular I remember was Leon. The reason I remember one of his posts so well, it was basically a ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha all the way down the page is because as it turns out he was 100% correct, and I was totally wrong. Time has proven it to be so in spades, selling Gerrard for that money then would have been an absolute disaster for the club. (It's by no means always that I agree with the aforementioned poster I should say, but fair play to him on that particular occasion he was on the money).

So what of Torres? I say 100 mill largely for the same reason as you say 75 in that we could build a title challenge with that. Would we though be thinking in a couple of years, "sh!t we fecked up there"? Would becoming a selling club for economic reasons be the beginning of the end? Dunno

Interesting points there, but I still think that no player is bigger than the club. IF given the choice would you either:

A) Keep Torres and the current team- because we have no more money to spend

B) Sell Torres for 65 million and use that cash to buy 2-3 world class players

For all we know, Rafa might have no more transfer kitty to spend….and the above scenario could be a very real possibility. Keep our current team (because we have no more money) or sell up for a stupid fee and use that cash to improve the team?

by **LFC2007** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:45 pm

Firkin ell, didn't expect you to start this one Mick.

Even though it's a ridiculously quixotic topic, I'll answer.

If a club - any club - came in with an offer of £170m I'd take it.

That'd leave £50m or so to replace Torres, then £120m to sort out our wide areas (4 players @ £15-20m), another quality striker @ £20m+. I'd keep the remaining £20m or so for a rainy day.

So, £170m in order to compensate for the loss of a player who I consider to be the best striker in world football.

Money can't buy desire, a passion to succeed, a passion to overcome new challenges - hence the ridiculous level of compensation.

by **bigmick** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:46 pm

Well I certainly wouldn't even consider selling for 65 million, not in a million years. 100 million, the Rusky can afford it, we don't want to sell, they want to buy. Feck 65 million, we could pay 30 for a replacement who's nowhere near as good.

by **King Carra** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:49 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
bigmick wrote:Well a couple of years back Sabes we almost sold Gerrard as you know, although he seemingly wanted to go. I made a post at the time which broadly said "for 30 mill', feck it sell him". I got lambasted by some members on here, one in particular I remember was Leon. The reason I remember one of his posts so well, it was basically a ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha all the way down the page is because as it turns out he was 100% correct, and I was totally wrong. Time has proven it to be so in spades, selling Gerrard for that money then would have been an absolute disaster for the club. (It's by no means always that I agree with the aforementioned poster I should say, but fair play to him on that particular occasion he was on the money).

So what of Torres? I say 100 mill largely for the same reason as you say 75 in that we could build a title challenge with that. Would we though be thinking in a couple of years, "sh!t we fecked up there"? Would becoming a selling club for economic reasons be the beginning of the end? Dunno

Interesting points there, but I still think that no player is bigger than the club. IF given the choice would you either:

A) Keep Torres and the current team- because we have no more money to spend

B) Sell Torres for 65 million and use that cash to buy 2-3 world class players

For all we know, Rafa might have no more transfer kitty to spend….and the above scenario could be a very real possibility. Keep our current team (because we have no more money) or sell up for a stupid fee and use that cash to improve the team?

I really don't see the logic in that post. I see you made a joke of my post earlier with the £500m, but it's true. WHY sell him? What do we as a club have to gain? Feck all that's what. Yep lets see with that money we could buyn er... Kaka? er...Messia? er...Ronaldo? yeahyeah keep em coming. Fact is i'd be very suprised if they ever came to Liverpool, reason being some club like Chelsea would come along who have unlimited resources.

Selling Torres would give Liverpool nothing but money. You say world class, but just what is world class? All we'd be doing by selling Torres is making Chelsea ever stronger and making us weaker. There is no logic. We're already light years behind Chelsea in terms of squads and if we want to catch them then NOW is the best time to do it, whilst their current spine of the team is aging.

Fact is when the Yanks move out, then we'll have money. I dunno about everyone else, but i'm willing to sacrafice coming 4th again this season and keeping Torres and then having more funds next season, than selling him and potentially wasting a huge sum of money.

But in answer to the topic I do believe we'd sell him for £50m.

by **destro** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:50 pm

sugarcoatediceberg91 wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Its a deffo no amount of money waved at us and i mean no amount would be good enough

didn't we think that about Keegan in 77, Rush 87, Fowler 02 and Owen in 05 though? we've sold a few of our superstars over the years but still found a better replacement.

like I've said every player has their price.

The players were already in place to replace the ones leaving. IMO there is NO OTHER STRIKER playing at the moment that could come in and do the job that Torres has A) done already and B) will continue to do. The bigger picture here is WHY would we sell Torres IMO this is not one of Raffas ideas so its down to the Americans, would they want to sell him for 50 Million so they can say to Raffa "Here you go mate 50 Million to buy new players", would they :censored:

, its more like "We made 20 odd Million on that sale this soccer business is fun, oh by the way here you go Raffa have a couple of Million and sign a few more Degens * by the way how much do you think we will get for Alonso?"

IMO IF Torres was sold then Gerrard would be off to, why would he want to stay when everything that has been promised is being reneged on, selling Torres is another backward step and IMO that would be it for Gerrard and probably a few more players.

*Disclaimer I STILL have not seen Degen play and mentioning him in my post was just a way of saying Raffa will be told to go for cheap options. It was in no way a defamation of Degens ability as a footballer. :rasp

by **NANNY RED** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:51 pm

sugarcoatediceberg91 wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
sugarcoatediceberg91 wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Its a deffo no amount of money waved at us and i mean no amount would be good enough

didn't we think that about Keegan in 77, Rush 87, Fowler 02 and Owen in 05 though? we've sold a few of our superstars over the years but still found a better replacement.

like I've said every player has their price.

Erm if my memory serves me right most of them wanted to go

want to go or not it's still up to the club to accept a fee if the player was under contract which Rush, Fowler and Owen were. On all three we were conned. We didn't get the money we deserved for any.

I see where your coming from mate but they wanted to go they asked for a transfer . It doesnt matter how much anyone offers at the end of the day its down to the player surely if he wants to stay or not

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