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by **dawson99** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:27 pm

All im saying is that why sell a player at such a loss who is obviously in the managers thoughts and who in the current position is in a team that has only lost once in a load. maybe people are using wrnog wording, calling him useless and saying how today he was rubbish again. I just think there are a lot of people on here (not you john) who arent liverpool fans at all.

I would take Kuyt over Pennant every day and twice on saturdays, i think e adds a lot mroe to the team, and Rafa seems to think the same (who knows a lot mroe about the game than any of you, john included)

I also think people are watching games with the sentance already typed about how Kuyt will play, which is just a little sad. Yes, he should be scoring more goals, but so should a feck load more of the players. If you wanna cut the wage bill, get rid of a few of the players who never get a game, not the ones who are playing all the time in a winning formation

by **Bammo** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:33 pm

It's funny how some of you say Kuyt should be sold for next to nothing because he doesn't get goals yet are completely oblivious to the assists he gets.

Yes, that's right, he got ANOTHER assist today. But I suppose players playing on the wing aren't supposed to create goals are they?

We'd all love to have another striker of Torres' standard but we don't have one at the moment. Kuyt is improving and has got a few assists recently. Some of you seem to think Torres creates everything himself or that Gerrard does everything else for him.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:44 pm

dawson99 wrote:All im saying is that why sell a player at such a loss who is obviously in the managers thoughts and who in the current position is in a team that has only lost once in a load. maybe people are using wrnog wording, calling him useless and saying how today he was rubbish again. I just think there are a lot of people on here (not you john) who arent liverpool fans at all.

I would take Kuyt over Pennant every day and twice on saturdays, i think e adds a lot mroe to the team, and Rafa seems to think the same (who knows a lot mroe about the game than any of you, john included)

I also think people are watching games with the sentance already typed about how Kuyt will play, which is just a little sad. Yes, he should be scoring more goals, but so should a feck load more of the players. If you wanna cut the wage bill, get rid of a few of the players who never get a game, not the ones who are playing all the time in a winning formation

benitez knows more about footy than me :laugh:

tell us another please. (i'm waiting for someone to take this serious an all like they do everything else)

I don't have the sentance ready dawson, I'm well aware of what Kuyt does. He runs. Not much else unfortunately and that really isn't good enough. I don't think we can afford to keep him for another year because then the asking price will be between 500 thousand and a million IMO. I think at the end of the year is the best chance we have to sell him for somewhere near half the price we spent on him. I don't see him going to the Euros in the summer which will mean he won't be seen on the international stage.

I didn't want Kuyt when we were after him, but I can see the good in him, I just don't see enough good in him and that's why I'd rather we sold him. As for we've only lost once, what has Kuyt actually done to dertermine we've only lost once. He hasn't scored a great deal nor has he made goal line clearances to keep the lead. He IMO is just being carried by the rest of the side. It's alright when we're winning because it's hard to criticise a team when it's winning, but Kuyt doesn't do enough for me personally.

We do agree on some things however dawson. Firstly we both agree that a lot more of our squad need to score more. I've said this more than enough times. We rely to heavily on Torres and Gerrard. We also agree that a few people on here actually aren't Liverpool supporters unlike me and you. But it's their choice, I think genuine Liverpool fans (glory hunters included) will always shine through and the ones who are "pretending" to be fans of our club will undoubtedly be shown up in due course.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:04 am

He had a good enough game today, few will acknowledge though and will do anything to strip him of all merit, which is a shame because the lad gives it his all.

Last season in the league I think his goal/game ratio was as good as Rooney's, and of Rafa's signings up to that point, he had scored more league goals than any other. That's not to say I think he's anything like on the same level as Rooney (because he's not), or even good enough to sustain a place in the team, but it proves why he was rated last season, and why I don't believe he is as shit as people are making out. Opinions do change over time though, and this season he's been a major disappointment.

If we can get £5-7m for the lad in the summer, I think it'd be wise to sell. Otherwise, I wouldn't sell, because at the very least you've got a player who'll work his bollocks off, even if it's just as back up.

by **puroresu** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:12 am

I remember in the summer people were saying Kuyt got as many league goals as Berbatov to try and justify kuyt being good enough for LFC. It was crazy and this season his only gone to prove that to even try and make a comparison between kuyt and berbatov or rooney is madness. 3 league goals. 2 pens and 1 of his knee. Shocking!! Today he nearly scored from a shot which was deflected and he had one volley attempt which didnt look out of place on a public park. Put me in the red shirt and I will run just as much as kuyt!!

Of course we will be selling at a loss. We paid to much in the first place and kuyt has done nothing here which suggests we should get anywhere near what we paid for him. For someone so limited his very lucky to be playing for LFC.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:15 am

It proves he's not as sh!t as people are making out.

by **Bammo** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:33 am

puroresu wrote:Put me in the red shirt and I will run just as much as kuyt!!

So why don't you sign up to a football club and earn £50k a week then? You could start your own thread so we can track your progress.

by **Seano Kop** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:42 pm

Yep, he's good enough. No question.

by **Judge** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:40 pm

LittleHobo wrote:firstly i personally think he is good enough, this is his first season....(many players who go on to be great premiership players really struggle first season...ronaldo, henry, drogba....to name but a few

kuyt however in his first season is currently 5th top scorer in the premiership, outscoring these players

Yakubu
Anelka
Bent
andy Johnson
Lampard
shevchenko
berbatov

kuyt isnt even used as an out and out striker for us either

dont doubt dirk, for a first season i say he has done very well

next season he will do better.

he aint good enough

by **Seano Kop** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:55 pm

he's TOO good

by **lakes10** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:26 pm

the thing is all he has to do to shut us all up is to start to put the ball in the net every other game, that will make me happy.

by **Owzat** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:13 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:I am one of few on here who think we've already had enough money to compete and that money doesn't guarentee you a title.

It's not what you spend it's how you spend it, Wenger proves that constantly by signing a squad at a fraction of the cost of Chelsea, Liverpool and Man Utd yet wins the league. He doesn't win it every year, not even consecutive seasons, but given his spending he can't expect to dominate two superior spending powers.

What worries me is we spend a bit here, a bit there and after a season or two it's a different player we're spending a bit here, a bit there on. Same costs, different players, same outcome. Instead of buying quantity at £5m-£7m a time we should be buying quality. We may not be able to match the mancs and Chelsea for spending, but we're not going to win the league by filling the squad with mid-price players of dubious quality.

And why is it that line up our players price for price against Arsenal that we look like we've been had?

Adebayor £7m or Crouch £7m?
Rosicky £6.8m or Pennant £6.7m

It's a tad difficult to line many up as there are few players costing much more than £4m in the Arsenal squad. Player for player our's cost more, but their's perform more

by **mistyred** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:02 pm

As a liverpool supporter will be behind every single one of those boy's tonight so come Dirk Diggler score us a goal
or two.....UP THE F'CKIN REDMEN :buttrock

by **Seano Kop** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:15 pm

lakes10 wrote:the thing is all he has to do to shut us all up is to start to put the ball in the net every other game, that will make me happy.

If he scored 20 goals in one match people on here would still have a dig at him. Rest assured.

by **Reinas No.1 Fan** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:43 pm

The assist seems to be a forgotten art form, i cant find assist info for all comps anywere, does Kuyt help create alot, people on this forum would say no but how truethful is this, I would like to see the evidence before I slate him or praise him.

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