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by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:35 pm

shall i justify Houllier's as well then. None of them adapted, christ that was easy.

You can't have it both ways mate, you can either say "yes both have made complete and utter balls ups in the transfer market" or "both just had bad luck and bought players who couldn't make the grade at Liverpool".

Either way you can't slate Houllier then try and justify Benitez' bad signings. It works both ways.

by **holylamb2006** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:37 pm

yes both have made complete and utter balls ups in the transfer market

I thought the scouts bring players to the gaffer ?? or is there a different method ?

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:38 pm

at least benitez's signings made alot more appearances then GH's. ferri, kippe, diomede, medjani, arphexad combined probably played less games then say bellamy.

by **RedBlood** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:39 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:shall i justify Houllier's as well then. None of them adapted, christ that was easy.

You can't have it both ways mate, you can either say "yes both have made complete and utter balls ups in the transfer market" or "both just had bad luck and bought players who couldn't make the grade at Liverpool".

Either way you can't slate Houllier then try and justify Benitez' bad signings. It works both ways.

houllier made some excellent signings like sami henchoz babel mccallister hamann aswell as some good ones like smicer litmanene heskey

but on a whole rafas record is better

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:42 pm

RedBlood wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Pelligrino, Itandje, Paletta, Morientes, Bellamy, Sissoko, Aurellio, Baragan, Kuyt, Fowler, Voronin, Kromkamp, Josemi, Nunez, Leto, Pennant (in many peoples opinion) Padelli, Zenden, Gonzalez. What's it prove?

i wouldnt put sissoko in there he was very good for us and we got a profit when we sold him, plus pennant is a good player not great but he has his uses, auerillo is a good player and will show that if he can stay fit
the thing is benitez never over spends he always makes sure he can make the money back if a player does not succed

Sissoko was a waste of time IMO (after his eye injury granted) his passing and confidence faded completely and whether we make a profit or not doesn't matter. We made a profit on Michael Owen yet people complain about it, again it doesn't work both ways.

I like Pennant, I simplely put him in the list because most on here don't rate the lad.

Aurellio, I've seen one good game from him in nearly two years. Arsenal at home last March, Crouch's hattrick. Other than that nothing. One good goal against Bolton isn't up to it considering the amount of free kicks and shots he has, and especially not for the "so called" ability and technique he has.

But I wasn't looking to single people out, I was simpely countering those who wanted to list Houllier's bad signings. People seem rather keen to slaughter Cisse yet then talk about Aurellio being injured. Was it only me who noticed Cisse suffer a broken leg then? Must of been. Again I wouldn't class Ziege or Barmby as bad buys (maybe not world stars but I wouldn't class them as bad) but I didn't mention it (until now) because I wasn't going to start talking about indiuivals from the "houllier bad signing list"

by **Santa** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:43 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Pelligrino, Itandje, Paletta, Morientes, Bellamy, Sissoko, Aurellio, Baragan, Kuyt, Fowler, Voronin, Kromkamp, Josemi, Nunez, Leto, Pennant (in many peoples opinion) Padelli, Zenden, Gonzalez. What's it prove?

to be fair, some of those were brought in on a free transfer. Some were subsequently sold for a profit (eg Bellamy, Sissoko)

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:44 pm

OK Houllier didn't make a balls up either it was all the scouts fault. Well I'm glad that's cleared up.

A scout merely tells the manager about a player, the manager than assess the player and decides if he's good enough. Then he goes to the board and says "I want x amount of money for a certain player"

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:45 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:at least benitez's signings made alot more appearances then GH's. ferri, kippe, diomede, medjani, arphexad combined probably played less games then say bellamy.

shows how good a manger Houllier was then done it. He knew they weren't good enough so didn't bother playing them. Well done Gerard.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:52 pm

Santa wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Pelligrino, Itandje, Paletta, Morientes, Bellamy, Sissoko, Aurellio, Baragan, Kuyt, Fowler, Voronin, Kromkamp, Josemi, Nunez, Leto, Pennant (in many peoples opinion) Padelli, Zenden, Gonzalez. What's it prove?

to be fair, some of those were brought in on a free transfer. Some were subsequently sold for a profit (eg Bellamy, Sissoko)

Free transfer? Don't these players get wages then? Surely we have to pay to keep them so their not free. Alls it means is we didn't give any money to their previous club and if sides aren't prepared to offer a 26 year old (just coming into his prime) a new contract then he surely isn't good enough. Fowler and Zenden were frees and both past it so why on earth did we waste wages on them?

I was chuffed to see Fowler back, but I didn't see the sense in it unless he was going to be playing every game or given a four year deal. Neither happened so it was just a waste of wages.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:03 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
Santa wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Pelligrino, Itandje, Paletta, Morientes, Bellamy, Sissoko, Aurellio, Baragan, Kuyt, Fowler, Voronin, Kromkamp, Josemi, Nunez, Leto, Pennant (in many peoples opinion) Padelli, Zenden, Gonzalez. What's it prove?

to be fair, some of those were brought in on a free transfer. Some were subsequently sold for a profit (eg Bellamy, Sissoko)

Free transfer? Don't these players get wages then? Surely we have to pay to keep them so their not free. Alls it means is we didn't give any money to their previous club and if sides aren't prepared to offer a 26 year old (just coming into his prime) a new contract then he surely isn't good enough. Fowler and Zenden were frees and both past it so why on earth did we waste wages on them?

I was chuffed to see Fowler back, but I didn't see the sense in it unless he was going to be playing every game or given a four year deal. Neither happened so it was just a waste of wages.

fowler played a massive role thats why he earned another contract after his first. you cant deny that fowler played his role well man come on he scored many important goals and was a huge figure in the dressing room

by **Yari7** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:05 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
Santa wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Pelligrino, Itandje, Paletta, Morientes, Bellamy, Sissoko, Aurellio, Baragan, Kuyt, Fowler, Voronin, Kromkamp, Josemi, Nunez, Leto, Pennant (in many peoples opinion) Padelli, Zenden, Gonzalez. What's it prove?

to be fair, some of those were brought in on a free transfer. Some were subsequently sold for a profit (eg Bellamy, Sissoko)

Free transfer? Don't these players get wages then? Surely we have to pay to keep them so their not free. Alls it means is we didn't give any money to their previous club and if sides aren't prepared to offer a 26 year old (just coming into his prime) a new contract then he surely isn't good enough. Fowler and Zenden were frees and both past it so why on earth did we waste wages on them?

I was chuffed to see Fowler back, but I didn't see the sense in it unless he was going to be playing every game or given a four year deal. Neither happened so it was just a waste of wages.

fowler played a massive role thats why he earned another contract after his first. you cant deny that fowler played his role well man come on he scored many important goals and was a huge figure in the dressing room

Fowler played his role, no doubt. But that was 10 years ago.

Fowler had no place in the squad second time round.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:16 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Pelligrino, Itandje, Paletta, Morientes, Bellamy, Sissoko, Aurellio, Baragan, Kuyt, Fowler, Voronin, Kromkamp, Josemi, Nunez, Leto, Pennant (in many peoples opinion) Padelli, Zenden, Gonzalez. What's it prove?

That overall, Rafa has a better transfer record than Houllier had.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:19 pm

Benitez has brought better players...but he's gone from world stars to complete :censored:

. Houllier's collectively (which is how football is meant to be played remember as a team) had a better record...in MY opinion.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:22 pm

urm...ok. does anyone else think gh had a better record than rafa?

by **LFC2007** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:25 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Benitez has brought better players...but he's gone from world stars to complete . Houllier's collectively (which is how football is meant to be played remember as a team) had a better record...in MY opinion.

Hence why you gave Benitez' signings more stars than Houllier's.

Giving Nicky Barmby one, but not Garcia. Pongolle, but not Sissoko :laugh:

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