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woof woof ! wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:IMO the sending off was not too harsh, the foot was raised, and would have been worthy of a yellow, the issue has only been highlighted because it was a second yellow.

I agree RT, watch it again and its obvious the fella wasn't gonna win the ball. He had time to pull out of the challenge but was determined to take Lucas out. Don't blame him for that , but a yellow card was a natural consequence. For those that say "Lucas' foot was also high" ,it looked to me that Lucas got to the ball first and when he (Lucas) initially raised his foot the Inter player was still 3-4 feet away.

woof woof ! wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:Babel was also poor and gave the ball away too much and didnt battle enough at times. He needs to have more determination and heart.

I'd go further than that Ace. Over the last couple of games I've noticed how time after time the fella just give's up when chasing a ball that looks as though it's going out of play , Kuyt may lack Babels skills but he at least would chase the ball into row z , Babel on the other hand does a bit of a sprint and, with the ball still in play, just gives it up. Kuyt may have been poor last night but Babel was a complete waste of space. For sometime now I've been thinking the fella's got no bottle.

Overall a thoroughly professional team performance , marred only by the sub par performances of Babel and Kuyt. Once again our lack of real quality in the wide positions was glaringly obvious.

woof woof ! wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:IMO the sending off was not too harsh, the foot was raised, and would have been worthy of a yellow, the issue has only been highlighted because it was a second yellow.

I agree RT, watch it again and its obvious the fella wasn't gonna win the ball. He had time to pull out of the challenge but was determined to take Lucas out. Don't blame him for that , but a yellow card was a natural consequence. For those that say "Lucas' foot was also high" ,it looked to me that Lucas got to the ball first and when he (Lucas) initially raised his foot the Inter player was still 3-4 feet away.

Rush Job wrote:

ConnO'var wrote:Superb result!...... Well made up.

Watched the match at a mate's place last night and I can barely keep me eyes open this morning. The ONLY dissapointment for me, was that I couldn't get plastered as I had to work this morning.

The lads played brilliantly though we were a little pensive in the 1st half.
I suppose I could analyse this and be able to find something to comment about but frankly, right now..... I couldn't be @rsed.

Just basking in the glow of this win. One of the lads at work, whose a Manc btw, just muttered under his breath that he hopes they don't get us in the next round... That single utterance just made my whole effin day! 

What a goal by Torres by the way... class act!

You had two hours sleep? Thats quite hardcore.

Sorry Rushie.... Just noticed your post. Hardcore doesn't really describe it but it'll be a cold day in hell if I was gonna miss that match! Feckin Knackered right now and I'm hitting the hay.

 

Bad Bob wrote:

woof woof ! wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:Babel was also poor and gave the ball away too much and didnt battle enough at times. He needs to have more determination and heart.

I'd go further than that Ace. Over the last couple of games I've noticed how time after time the fella just give's up when chasing a ball that looks as though it's going out of play , Kuyt may lack Babels skills but he at least would chase the ball into row z , Babel on the other hand does a bit of a sprint and, with the ball still in play, just gives it up. Kuyt may have been poor last night but Babel was a complete waste of space. For sometime now I've been thinking the fella's got no bottle.

Overall a thoroughly professional team performance , marred only by the sub par performances of Babel and Kuyt. Once again our lack of real quality in the wide positions was glaringly obvious.

Completely agree.  Babel's attitude has worried me for some time and it's not a part of a player's game that can be drilled in training or generally changed significantly.  I continue to have my doubts about this lad...

Ace Ventura wrote:But as it went for us it was a ridiculous yellow card 

woof woof ! wrote:For sometime now I've been thinking the fella's got no bottle.

Overall a thoroughly professional team performance , marred only by the sub par performances of Babel and Kuyt. Once again our lack of real quality in the wide positions was glaringly obvious.

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:It's staggering, it really is. Boro, Bolton and West Ham...Kuyt and Babel were being raved about. They were finally being doing what was expected, they're dropped for the Newcastle game and come back into the team and take constant stick. I said it about the Newcastle game, neither of them should of been dropped for that match because it takes you out your rythm. It's exactly what happened to both of them.

Ace Ventura wrote:Definate yellow card.
I said it before i knew Burdisso was on a yellow as well, as i wasnt even aware who had been booked.
If it was the other way round and Burdisso won the ball with Lucas taking him out in the same way this is what Andy Gray would of said......'stupid challenge for the lad to make when he is already on a yellow, we all know the European referees will give yellow cards for challenges like that'

But as it went for us it was a ridiculous yellow card 

Then within a minute Mascherano and Zanetti had a decent tussle where Zanetti went down, Gray then blurts out....surely he should be carded for pulling him back.

If thats not biased what is ?
You could hear the disappointment in his voice even in the first half when Ibrahimovic wasted a couple of free kicks, like he was willing us to concede.
He was that biased at first it annoyed me, until we scored then i was made up, ruined his night that did 

ConnO'var wrote:

woof woof ! wrote:For sometime now I've been thinking the fella's got no bottle.

Overall a thoroughly professional team performance , marred only by the sub par performances of Babel and Kuyt. Once again our lack of real quality in the wide positions was glaringly obvious.

Agreed on both counts.

I don't think that Babel has the bottle or the brains to be effective. Until he smartens up and grows up, all that raw ability and talent is wasted.

It was a good performance by the lads but this match did highlight one thing to me. When we play 4-2-3-1 or a semblance of it, we need TWO holding midfielders and Lucas, doesn't fit the bill... we missed Xabi in this match. I really rate Lucas and this experience can only be good for him but IMO he's better as a more conventional midfielder in a 4-4-2.