INTER MILAN vs LIVERPOOL: CL-11/03/08 - 2nd Leg - Build up and Match Discussion
by ruskiy playmaker » Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:30 am
It would be great for Torres to score a goal at San Siro. I would be so happy for him, he really deserves it.
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by NANNY RED » Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:29 am
Didnt know were to post this but seein as he makes his 100 Appearence at the Milan game i put it here
Crackin article on Jamie
From The Sunday TimesMarch 9, 2008
Jamie Carragher: the red centurion
The Liverpool defender will play his 100th European game on Tuesday, but he’s still a fan at heart
Jonathan Northcroft
When Jamie Carragher came off the pitch in Istanbul he was dying to ask reporters: “What’s it been like in town?” He was as keen to know how Liverpool’s Champions League miracle had been for fans as we were to hear about the players. Jackie Milburn would catch the bus to play for Newcastle still in his miner’s clothes and Tom Finney fixed Preston people’s plumbing when he wasn’t representing them in a North End shirt, but in the modern game it’s rare a footballer is as in tune with his public as the one known Scousely as “Carra”.
The Kop has a song that dreams of watching a team of Carraghers but the Kop itself, in a sense, is one big squad of them. Affinity comes from the number of people close to the defender who join its throng, inside Anfield and on tour. A gang of relatives, mates and characters from his native Bootle trail him at every game: “There’s me dad, me two brothers and then there’s about 20 lads who go everywhere, home and away, and it’s not just been with Liverpool,” he explains. “My first games abroad were when I was 16, with England youths. We played Italy and Holland in a three-team tournament and me dad and all the lads went . . . so my first trip away was Amsterdam, and from their point of view, can you get better than that?” On Tuesday, Carragher, barring the unforeseen, will become the first to play 100 European games for Liverpool. He’s proud.
“Liverpool’s such a big club, it’s hard to make history or do something nobody’s done,” he reflects. But he sees the milestone it terms of the group. “It’s the one thing I’ve always said I’ll miss when I stop playing: Europe. My family and friends have enjoyed it. It’s not just me, everyone’s involved. They’re all going to Inter Milan. When the draw came out I was made up. Others were like, ‘Oh no, it’s Inter’, but I was really pleased. I’ve never played at the San Siro, this may be my only chance. And everyone around me is buzzing about a trip to Milan.”
When he retires he may join the travellers, and that would mean the whole everyman package: economy flight, non-VIP part of the stadium, shared rooms in barely-starred hotels. “If I’m not still involved in football, I’ll watch the games. I’d have to, just for the craic with the lads and I wouldn’t get away with going first-class.” He almost seems to want to be there already. “Well, yeah, I mean, the fans want to do what we do. It’s like when we went to the World Cup and it didn’t go that well, I was thinking to myself I’d have rather been with them.”
The San Siro assignment is awkward, despite Liverpool’s 2-0 victory in the first leg. “There’s pressure on us with the other English teams going through. We’ll have to look for an away goal to kill Inter off,” Carragher says. “They defended brilliantly with 10 men until we scored with five minutes left, so if they thought they were poor at Anfield, God knows what they’ll be like there.” It’s set for the type of evening on which Carragher excels, where his concentration and game intelligence are at the forefront as he is asked to hold a rearguard together under ceaseless shelling.
There may be nobody in Europe better at defending deep and repelling final balls with deflections and blocks. When Liverpool beat Chelsea in the 2005 semi-final second leg at Anfield, Eidur Gudjohnsen felt as if there was a team of Carraghers against him. “Carragher seemed to clone himself,” Gudjohnsen said after the defender stopped his last-minute shot. Carragher picks it as the finest of his 99 European performances. “Sometimes it’s harder defending at home because of the away goal. There was a big rivalry with Chelsea, still is, and if there’s one team we didn’t want to get beaten by, it’s them. They were so much better than us at the time, 37 points above us in the league. I remember the pressure of the final minutes and Gudjohnsen’s shot. I didn’t know where I was in relation to the goal and I was terrified of putting it in my own net. I just put out my leg and it skimmed off the top. Can you imagine if they’d scored and their celebrations?”
A Uefa Cup stalemate with Celtic in September 1997, playing alongside Paul Ince in midfield, was Carragher’s first European match, Istanbul the toughest. “The first half from AC Milan was as good as anyone has played against us, the movement of [Andriy] Shevchenko, [Hernan] Crespo and Kaka was fantastic. Istanbul was special because people will still talk about that in 50 years, it’s one of maybe five games in history, up there with Real Madrid v Eintracht Frankfurt, everybody remembers. I’m desperate to win the league, but I wouldn’t swap Istanbul. It’s not something we can keep dwelling on, though. We can’t keep saying, ‘Yeah, but we won the European Cup’. We can’t keep harking back as if it’s our get out of jail card.”
Why the disparity between Liverpool’s European and domestic potency? “The home crowd’s a big thing. Anfield makes other teams apprehensive and we play on that. Tactically, the manager’s very good, especially with one-off games, and he’s built us on being good defensively, which is hugely important in European football. And we’re more suited to it as a team. The Premier League’s about power and pace and we don’t have huge pace in the team. What we do have is a lot of good thinkers.
“The manager gets a bit of stick because we haven’t done that well in the league. But the European Cup is bigger than the league, isn’t it? Switch it round. If the manager had won the league in his first season and lost it by a point in his third season and was in the running again this season, everyone would say he’s an absolute genius.”
Carragher seems a natural for management himself but retiring to be a fan is a serious possibility. “I love the game but I change my mind all the time. I’ve been going down to the academy to start my coaching badges but sometimes I think how bad I feel after defeat as a player and think it must be 10 times worse as a manager. When I gave away a penalty at West Ham and we lost instead of drawing, I couldn’t sleep until the next game, and you think, ‘Do I really want this?’ It’s stupid, because I love playing football so much, but sometimes I can’t wait until I’m finished and I won’t have those ups and downs any more.”
Carragher’s landmark
— Liverpool’s Jamie Carragher has played 99 European matches so far, including the 2005 Champions League triumph. David Beckham’s tally of 115 is the most by any English player, followed by Manchester United’s Gary Neville (106) and Paul Scholes (105). Then comes Carragher, with former Liverpool star Ian Callaghan on 89 and Steven Gerrard on 86
— Statistics are on Liverpool’s side for their match in Milan on Tuesday when they will defend a 2-0 advantage against Inter. No team in Champions League history has lost a tie after establishing a 2-0 fi rst-leg lead. Since the inception of the competition in 1994-95, 14 teams have tried and failed to recover from a 2-0 first-leg defeat
— Inter have been on the wrong end of a 2-0 first-leg score on two previous occasions, going out of the competition both times – to Manchester United in 1999 and AC Milan in 2005
Crackin article on Jamie
From The Sunday TimesMarch 9, 2008
Jamie Carragher: the red centurion
The Liverpool defender will play his 100th European game on Tuesday, but he’s still a fan at heart
Jonathan Northcroft
When Jamie Carragher came off the pitch in Istanbul he was dying to ask reporters: “What’s it been like in town?” He was as keen to know how Liverpool’s Champions League miracle had been for fans as we were to hear about the players. Jackie Milburn would catch the bus to play for Newcastle still in his miner’s clothes and Tom Finney fixed Preston people’s plumbing when he wasn’t representing them in a North End shirt, but in the modern game it’s rare a footballer is as in tune with his public as the one known Scousely as “Carra”.
The Kop has a song that dreams of watching a team of Carraghers but the Kop itself, in a sense, is one big squad of them. Affinity comes from the number of people close to the defender who join its throng, inside Anfield and on tour. A gang of relatives, mates and characters from his native Bootle trail him at every game: “There’s me dad, me two brothers and then there’s about 20 lads who go everywhere, home and away, and it’s not just been with Liverpool,” he explains. “My first games abroad were when I was 16, with England youths. We played Italy and Holland in a three-team tournament and me dad and all the lads went . . . so my first trip away was Amsterdam, and from their point of view, can you get better than that?” On Tuesday, Carragher, barring the unforeseen, will become the first to play 100 European games for Liverpool. He’s proud.
“Liverpool’s such a big club, it’s hard to make history or do something nobody’s done,” he reflects. But he sees the milestone it terms of the group. “It’s the one thing I’ve always said I’ll miss when I stop playing: Europe. My family and friends have enjoyed it. It’s not just me, everyone’s involved. They’re all going to Inter Milan. When the draw came out I was made up. Others were like, ‘Oh no, it’s Inter’, but I was really pleased. I’ve never played at the San Siro, this may be my only chance. And everyone around me is buzzing about a trip to Milan.”
When he retires he may join the travellers, and that would mean the whole everyman package: economy flight, non-VIP part of the stadium, shared rooms in barely-starred hotels. “If I’m not still involved in football, I’ll watch the games. I’d have to, just for the craic with the lads and I wouldn’t get away with going first-class.” He almost seems to want to be there already. “Well, yeah, I mean, the fans want to do what we do. It’s like when we went to the World Cup and it didn’t go that well, I was thinking to myself I’d have rather been with them.”
The San Siro assignment is awkward, despite Liverpool’s 2-0 victory in the first leg. “There’s pressure on us with the other English teams going through. We’ll have to look for an away goal to kill Inter off,” Carragher says. “They defended brilliantly with 10 men until we scored with five minutes left, so if they thought they were poor at Anfield, God knows what they’ll be like there.” It’s set for the type of evening on which Carragher excels, where his concentration and game intelligence are at the forefront as he is asked to hold a rearguard together under ceaseless shelling.
There may be nobody in Europe better at defending deep and repelling final balls with deflections and blocks. When Liverpool beat Chelsea in the 2005 semi-final second leg at Anfield, Eidur Gudjohnsen felt as if there was a team of Carraghers against him. “Carragher seemed to clone himself,” Gudjohnsen said after the defender stopped his last-minute shot. Carragher picks it as the finest of his 99 European performances. “Sometimes it’s harder defending at home because of the away goal. There was a big rivalry with Chelsea, still is, and if there’s one team we didn’t want to get beaten by, it’s them. They were so much better than us at the time, 37 points above us in the league. I remember the pressure of the final minutes and Gudjohnsen’s shot. I didn’t know where I was in relation to the goal and I was terrified of putting it in my own net. I just put out my leg and it skimmed off the top. Can you imagine if they’d scored and their celebrations?”
A Uefa Cup stalemate with Celtic in September 1997, playing alongside Paul Ince in midfield, was Carragher’s first European match, Istanbul the toughest. “The first half from AC Milan was as good as anyone has played against us, the movement of [Andriy] Shevchenko, [Hernan] Crespo and Kaka was fantastic. Istanbul was special because people will still talk about that in 50 years, it’s one of maybe five games in history, up there with Real Madrid v Eintracht Frankfurt, everybody remembers. I’m desperate to win the league, but I wouldn’t swap Istanbul. It’s not something we can keep dwelling on, though. We can’t keep saying, ‘Yeah, but we won the European Cup’. We can’t keep harking back as if it’s our get out of jail card.”
Why the disparity between Liverpool’s European and domestic potency? “The home crowd’s a big thing. Anfield makes other teams apprehensive and we play on that. Tactically, the manager’s very good, especially with one-off games, and he’s built us on being good defensively, which is hugely important in European football. And we’re more suited to it as a team. The Premier League’s about power and pace and we don’t have huge pace in the team. What we do have is a lot of good thinkers.
“The manager gets a bit of stick because we haven’t done that well in the league. But the European Cup is bigger than the league, isn’t it? Switch it round. If the manager had won the league in his first season and lost it by a point in his third season and was in the running again this season, everyone would say he’s an absolute genius.”
Carragher seems a natural for management himself but retiring to be a fan is a serious possibility. “I love the game but I change my mind all the time. I’ve been going down to the academy to start my coaching badges but sometimes I think how bad I feel after defeat as a player and think it must be 10 times worse as a manager. When I gave away a penalty at West Ham and we lost instead of drawing, I couldn’t sleep until the next game, and you think, ‘Do I really want this?’ It’s stupid, because I love playing football so much, but sometimes I can’t wait until I’m finished and I won’t have those ups and downs any more.”
Carragher’s landmark
— Liverpool’s Jamie Carragher has played 99 European matches so far, including the 2005 Champions League triumph. David Beckham’s tally of 115 is the most by any English player, followed by Manchester United’s Gary Neville (106) and Paul Scholes (105). Then comes Carragher, with former Liverpool star Ian Callaghan on 89 and Steven Gerrard on 86
— Statistics are on Liverpool’s side for their match in Milan on Tuesday when they will defend a 2-0 advantage against Inter. No team in Champions League history has lost a tie after establishing a 2-0 fi rst-leg lead. Since the inception of the competition in 1994-95, 14 teams have tried and failed to recover from a 2-0 first-leg defeat
— Inter have been on the wrong end of a 2-0 first-leg score on two previous occasions, going out of the competition both times – to Manchester United in 1999 and AC Milan in 2005
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by god_bless_john_houlding » Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:56 am
we're not through by any means yet. IMO we MUST score or rely on some seriously strong defending and goalkeeping.
100th game in europe for Carra...1st L'pool player to do so, well done to him. Let's hope there's a 100 more.
100th game in europe for Carra...1st L'pool player to do so, well done to him. Let's hope there's a 100 more.
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2) pass and move is the Liverpool groove
3) FIRST WILL ALWAYS BE FIRST AND SECOND WILL ALWAYS BE NOTHING.
4) If Torres has scored 60 league goals for Liverpool by the start of the 2011/12 season, I'll say he's better than Owen.
2) pass and move is the Liverpool groove
3) FIRST WILL ALWAYS BE FIRST AND SECOND WILL ALWAYS BE NOTHING.
4) If Torres has scored 60 league goals for Liverpool by the start of the 2011/12 season, I'll say he's better than Owen.
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by ruskiy playmaker » Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:14 am
I think if we play the same team that we played against West Ham, then we will have a very good chance at going through. We must not sit back but instead we must attack them from the start. If Gerrard, Torres and Babel combine well, then we'll be too much for their weakend defense.
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by The Manhattan Project » Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:28 am
Manhattan prefers it when LFC are the underdogs.
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by RedBlood » Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:38 am
just finnished watching inter on foxsports...they looked solid but i reckon if we keep or shape at the back and carry on our recent form we wont have many problems
my team:
reina
carraghar skrtel hyypia auerillo
mascherano alonso
kuyt babel
gerrard
torres
subs:
martin
riise
arebola
lucas
pennant
benyoun
crouch
my prediction: 1-1 torres scores the opener with crespo equalising
my team:
reina
carraghar skrtel hyypia auerillo
mascherano alonso
kuyt babel
gerrard
torres
subs:
martin
riise
arebola
lucas
pennant
benyoun
crouch
my prediction: 1-1 torres scores the opener with crespo equalising
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by Effes » Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:42 am
I can see them getting a dodgey pen.
When you think back to how Rafa has played these games in the past
i.e. Leverkusen away, Barca away; I could see him playing a quite attacking style.
Get that away goal and it's a massive mountain for Inter to climb.
When you think back to how Rafa has played these games in the past
i.e. Leverkusen away, Barca away; I could see him playing a quite attacking style.
Get that away goal and it's a massive mountain for Inter to climb.
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by Effes » Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:44 am
RedBlood wrote:my team:
reina
carraghar skrtel hyypia auerillo
mascherano alonso
kuyt babel
gerrard
torres
Cant see Skrtel starting, Rafa will probably go for Carra/Hyypia at CB's and
Arbeloa right back I would have thought.
But then again, he's hard to predict.
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by The Manhattan Project » Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:31 am
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Let's slow things down and get a little romantic.
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Now, listen.
You may be surprised to hear this, but Manhattan is a deeply passionate man. He has a softer side. A side devoted to love.
I am a lustful man. A man of desire. It's important to keep in touch with one's feelings.
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by Owzat » Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:34 am
ruskiy playmaker wrote:It would be great for Torres to score a goal at San Siro. I would be so happy for him, he really deserves it.
STATISTIC ALERT
IF Torres scores in the Zan Zero, it would be the first time he's scored in three consecutive appearances for Liverpool.
Of course IF he scores then Intertoto Milan need four and the most we've conceded in a game this season is three. The three scored against Newcastle was the SIXTEENTH time we've scored three or more ourselves this season which is pretty good considering we've failed to win TWENTY of the other 29 games.
If we keep to the same XI that won the first leg we should be ok, maybe one or two adjustments, but I pray Rafa doesn't start trying some new 'genius' tactic or formation to beat them
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by Scottbot » Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:42 pm
NANNY RED wrote:There may be nobody in Europe better at defending deep and repelling final balls with deflections and blocks.
Absolutely spot on. He is. And that's why the manager would be CRAZY to play him at Right-Back on Tuesday night.
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by Dundalk » Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:55 pm
ruskiy playmaker wrote:It would be great for Torres to score a goal at San Siro. I would be so happy for him, he really deserves it.
Ill be happy enough with anyone scoring at the San Siro
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