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by **mistyred** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:50 pm

NOT TONIGHT AY LADS AND LADIES LEAVE THIS SH1T FOR ONE DAY ATLEAST

by **slickrick** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:22 pm

Boocity wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:
Boocity wrote:I agree he has made some excellent buys but they have been the exception and not the rule.

simply not true

CRAZY SPENDING
Benitez has spent a staggering £129.7m on 36 players since taking charge at Anfield in the summer of 2004.

But there have been very few signings of real genuine world class quality. In fact, just one - Fernando Torres for £26.5m.

Benitez has spent more than Arsene Wenger in the past four years and yet Arsenal are top of the Premier League - and Liverpool will struggle to finish in the top four.

Benitez has spent a fortune and bought too many ordinary players - and his squad still only has three world class talents in Torres, Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher.

If its simply not true does that mean that out of the 36 players he has brought in the majority are excellent buys [B]

carragher world class - thats why he couldn't get in the england team is it?
gerrard and torres are the only world class players we have.
with reina, mascherano, alonso not far off

by **zarababe** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:03 pm

Rafa deserves to see his contract out - END OF !

by **john1992** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:59 pm

Rafa deserves to see his contract out - END OF !

agreed

by **destro** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:06 am

Looks like Maureen already has a job so that rules him out

Maureens new job

:laugh:

by **Kharhaz** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:11 am

destro wrote:Looks like Maureen already has a job so that rules him out

Maureens new job

I want Spitting Image back ! Chicken song was class !

by **big al** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:26 am

Actually Kharhaz as I get older the chicken song seems to be very good, but not as good as spurs are on their way to wembley, Now isnt it nice to see the poor wee spurs are going there again, bless them.

by **Kharhaz** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:31 am

big al wrote:Actually Kharhaz as I get older the chicken song seems to be very good, but not as good as spurs are on their way to wembley, Now isnt it nice to see the poor wee spurs are going there again, bless them.

Bless em ! I will be a spurs supporter today, be good to see them beat chelsea.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:48 am

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Nine points behind, is better than eight behind? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm maybe it's a scouse thing but to me the closer you are the better. It's better to be eight points behind then nine.

times have changed.
GH didnt have to compete with the financial power of chelsea.
and man utd's team this season is so much better than when GH was in charge.
so i guess RB's finishing one point behind man utd is better then GH finishing 2nd.

by **Owzat** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:33 am

Surely finishing first is what is important, regardless how many points Houllier finished behind or where in the table, the important thing is where we finish NOW and if it takes 90 points to win the league then that's what we need. And as I've said before Rafa can win the league one of two ways - by doing a Mourinho and outspending the rest or by doing a Wenger and being a better manager. Which is it going to be? I suggest we either get ourselves an Abramovich or get ourselves (a) Wenger - minus the post match reactions like yesterday perhaps

by **bigmick** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:02 pm

Owzat wrote:if it takes 90 points to win the league then that's what we need.

This is precisely why the "record points total" is an overrated stat in my view. "In any other season we'd have won it" and the like. The only comparison which matters is against the other teams in the same season. I really couldn't care next season if we got 67 points, lost nine times and won the title. Who gives a feck to be truthful?

DISCLAIMER- I know the above scenario is almost a physical impossibility, I simply used the number of points as an example.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:41 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Nine points behind, is better than eight behind? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm maybe it's a scouse thing but to me the closer you are the better. It's better to be eight points behind then nine.

times have changed.
GH didnt have to compete with the financial power of chelsea.
and man utd's team this season is so much better than when GH was in charge.
so i guess RB's finishing one point behind man utd is better then GH finishing 2nd.

As I've pointed out many times, Ambrovich took over in 2003, Houllier didn't leave us until 2004. So obviously during that year Chelsea didn't have the millions to spend

Of course United winning the treble in 99, was nowhere near as good as this current side

Also, it's better to finish as high up the table as possible. I suppose if we finished 20th under Benitez, but only a point behind United in 19th that would be better than Houllier finishing 2nd would it? A 2nd place finish is better than a third place finish. Neither are success, because you only get success for winning things, but second is a bigger "achievement" than third.

by **Sabre** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:06 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Nine points behind, is better than eight behind? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm maybe it's a scouse thing but to me the closer you are the better. It's better to be eight points behind then nine.

times have changed.
GH didnt have to compete with the financial power of chelsea.
and man utd's team this season is so much better than when GH was in charge.
so i guess RB's finishing one point behind man utd is better then GH finishing 2nd.

As I've pointed out many times, Ambrovich took over in 2003, Houllier didn't leave us until 2004. So obviously during that year Chelsea didn't have the millions to spend

Of course United winning the treble in 99, was nowhere near as good as this current side

Also, it's better to finish as high up the table as possible. I suppose if we finished 20th under Benitez, but only a point behind United in 19th that would be better than Houllier finishing 2nd would it? A 2nd place finish is better than a third place finish. Neither are success, because you only get success for winning things, but second is a bigger "achievement" than third.

I agree the notion that what matters is the position you end up. I agree Bigmick aswell when he says the points record thingy is overrated, because what matters is the position.

That's why I didn't understand how people were moaning about the "21 points off" stat yesteryear when Rafa was playing weakened sides in the league when we were through the cl semifinals and finals.

If we had been competing for the second place, yes, I'd fight, becaise 2nd is better than 3rd and it avoids you a preliminary round that changes all the preseason plan. But if you're third, and 12 points off the second, why risk players? That's why I don't understand that in one hand some people talk about the 21 points difference and do not talk about the third position, where as when it comes to the point record, then they stress that what's important is the position.

by **bigmick** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:12 pm

Sabre wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Nine points behind, is better than eight behind? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm maybe it's a scouse thing but to me the closer you are the better. It's better to be eight points behind then nine.

times have changed.
GH didnt have to compete with the financial power of chelsea.
and man utd's team this season is so much better than when GH was in charge.
so i guess RB's finishing one point behind man utd is better then GH finishing 2nd.

As I've pointed out many times, Ambrovich took over in 2003, Houllier didn't leave us until 2004. So obviously during that year Chelsea didn't have the millions to spend

Of course United winning the treble in 99, was nowhere near as good as this current side

Also, it's better to finish as high up the table as possible. I suppose if we finished 20th under Benitez, but only a point behind United in 19th that would be better than Houllier finishing 2nd would it? A 2nd place finish is better than a third place finish. Neither are success, because you only get success for winning things, but second is a bigger "achievement" than third.

I agree the notion that what matters is the position you end up. I agree Bigmick aswell when he says the points record thingy is overrated, because what matters is the position.

That's why I didn't understand how people were moaning about the "21 points off" stat yesteryear when Rafa was playing weakened sides in the league when we were through the cl semifinals and finals.

If we had been competing for the second place, yes, I'd fight, becaise 2nd is better than 3rd and it avoids you a preliminary round that changes all the preseason plan. But if you're third, and 12 points off the second, why risk players? That's why I don't understand that in one hand some people talk about the 21 points difference and do not talk about the third position, where as when it comes to the point record, then they stress that what's important is the position.

Just to clarify Sabes, I think the important thing is your points total that season compared to the other teams. While I totally agree with your "twelve points behind so whats the point of risking players" thing, I actually refer to the 21 points deficit as I think it's a desperately poor showing. Similarly, in the "record points total" thing we were still a mile behind so so what? I do recall in the season when Phil Thompson had to take over from Houllier that we went on an extended run which didn't actually bring the title, but actually just for fleeting second gave us a sniff. That was a better achivement than any record points total in my view, although obviously we picked up less points.

You cannot compare points totals from season to season. As long as you get more points, however many that takes, than the other teams you win the title. Thats all that matters in the end.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:26 pm

Points are all good and well, but to me it's still more important to finish as high in the league as possible. If we won the league with the lowest points ever I wouldn't be complaining.

I do complain about the number of points we've finished behind the leaders on a regular basis because we're finished behind them. 37, 9 and 21 points are far to many behind, AS WAS HOULLIER'S 8 points behind. 8 and 9 points behind are good achievements, but that doesn't mean success.Success is winning, and unless we win the league, it's an unsuccessful league season IMO.

So obviously points are important which is why I complain about them so much, but I'd still like to finish as high as possible. There's the flip side to that where people ask "so you'd rather finish 2nd and 40 points behind, then 4th but only 6 points behind" So I can see why people would rather take the points total, but it's all about the league position for me. Everything other than first is failure to me, but the higher you can finish the better.

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