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by **bigmick** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:57 am

JoeTerp wrote:if people are going to knee jerk into a state of doom and gloom after a loss, you have to let the happy clappers have their day today, Great start going into the 2nd leg, hopefully we can transfer the confidence

Love this one Joe. We go on the biggest extended blip since Alf Robert's life support machine was switched off, and people are knee jerking into a state of doom and gloom. We win one game three days after getting beat at Home by Barnsley in the fifth round of the FA Cup, and the happy clappers are not knee jerking at all, it's a fully rational respose

Fair play to you mate I like you and all that, and undoubtedly you know your football, but I love that one

I'm still enjoying the "it's all down to Rafa" euphoria, when after we'd lost on Saturday it was all down to the players/theowners/injuries/refs. The truth is of course both the defeats and the fantastic victories are down to both the players and the manager.

It won't be long before we're saying it's all dwon to rotation. Mind you, we did look quite fresh come to think of it

by **112-1077774096** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:08 am

Rush Job wrote:
peewee wrote:
Rush Job wrote:
peewee wrote:
Rush Job wrote:
peewee wrote:ok good result but a few down sides, we have basically papered over a few cracks here.

the main downside is it has extended rafas reign here, secondly we struggled to break down 10 men after their central defender was sent off, they then had to lose their second central defender before we managed to score, inter also had players out injured and players banned.

just thought i would put some perspective on matters before i read the rest of the thread which is no doubt full of 'rafa is a genius' comments while totally forgetting how sh*t we have been and this one result makes everything ok, as though the barnsley result has suddenly been reversed and we are in with a shout in the league.

no doubt some of you will call me a whinger, well ho hum

So what are you saying exactly 2-0 is not good enough agaist the strongest side in Italy? your showing your self up mate you really are.
Do you not understand the fact they had ten men in many ways made it harder because they could sit in and make it almost imposible to get in behind and if anyone can play for a 0-0 its them. As i said your showing you know very little about the game, any excuse eh.

first off did you actually read my post?

the first thing I say is that it's a good result, however i am not going to go down the avenue of believing this one result makes everything else ok, far from it, it has not changed our league position, it has not put us back in the FA cup, it will not change rafas stupid policy of rotation and playing people out of position.

its papered over a few cracks, now quite how telling the truth shows me up i will never know

Yes and you go on about them having to go down to ten men and then also having to lose another player and oh yes then you point out they also had players injured and banned so you grudingly give with one hand before trying to take with the other while completly missing the point that going down to ten man in many ways suited the Italians who wanted a nil nil anyway no doubt.
What has league possition and the FA cup got to do with this match had we won 8-0 we would still be out of both and you`d still be moaning so whats the difference.
Your being childish lad and you know it.

no I am being realistic, you should try it some time.

again i reiterate that i say its a good result but you seem to be ignoring that, it is a good result but it still has many howevers.

i would be even more delighted with the result if i could see it as more than just a one off result, lets not forget here we went out the FA cup cheaply on saturday and we went out of the title race last year. I want the league, rafa doesnt, thats why i am dissapointed, please tell me how the f*ck we can beat Inter but lose to barnsely just 3 days before.

perspective my friend, now i am not going to get into an argument or b*tch fest with you over this

I would love you to tell me how im not being realistic?
So go on then.... What did i say that wasnt realistic?
Think first then type.

your opinion is obviously opposite to mine based on your comments, lets just leave it at that, my feelings are clear, your feelings are clear

by **ConnO'var** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:11 am

bigmick wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:if people are going to knee jerk into a state of doom and gloom after a loss, you have to let the happy clappers have their day today, Great start going into the 2nd leg, hopefully we can transfer the confidence

Love this one Joe. We go on the biggest extended blip since Alf Robert's life support machine was switched off, and people are knee jerking into a state of doom and gloom. We win one game three days after getting beat at Home by Barnsley in the fifth round of the FA Cup, and the happy clappers are not knee jerking at all, it's a fully rational respose

Fair play to you mate I like you and all that, and undoubtedly you know your football, but I love that one

I'm still enjoying the "it's all down to Rafa" euphoria, when after we'd lost on Saturday it was all down to the players/theowners/injuries/refs. The truth is of course both the defeats and the fantastic victories are down to both the players and the manager.

It won't be long before we're saying it's all dwon to rotation. Mind you, we did look quite fresh come to think of it

Good 'un, Mick.

I'm basking in the glow of this victory though. With our style of play, we have a really good chance at making the quarters.... Inter will have to take the match to us at home as they need to score twice.... As long as they don't get an early goal... we should be fine. It's likely we'll set ourselves up with 5 across the middle and hit them on the counter.

The scenario is set up with everything in our favour right now.... As long as Torres doesn't get himself hurt, they'll have to be wary of his pace on the break. Without him upfront, it'll get a lot more comfortable for them....

C'mon the Reds!!!

PS: Did you watch the match? I haven't yet and was wondering how we played..... Haven't had time to trawl through the match thread either.

by **Rush Job** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:22 am

peewee wrote:osite
Rush Job wrote:
peewee wrote:
Rush Job wrote:
peewee wrote:
Rush Job wrote:
peewee wrote:ok good result but a few down sides, we have basically papered over a few cracks here.

the main downside is it has extended rafas reign here, secondly we struggled to break down 10 men after their central defender was sent off, they then had to lose their second central defender before we managed to score, inter also had players out injured and players banned.

just thought i would put some perspective on matters before i read the rest of the thread which is no doubt full of 'rafa is a genius' comments while totally forgetting how sh*t we have been and this one result makes everything ok, as though the barnsley result has suddenly been reversed and we are in with a shout in the league.

no doubt some of you will call me a whinger, well ho hum

So what are you saying exactly 2-0 is not good enough agaist the strongest side in Italy? your showing your self up mate you really are.
Do you not understand the fact they had ten men in many ways made it harder because they could sit in and make it almost imposible to get in behind and if anyone can play for a 0-0 its them. As i said your showing you know very little about the game, any excuse eh.

first off did you actually read my post?

the first thing I say is that it's a good result, however i am not going to go down the avenue of believing this one result makes everything else ok, far from it, it has not changed our league position, it has not put us back in the FA cup, it will not change rafas stupid policy of rotation and playing people out of position.

its papered over a few cracks, now quite how telling the truth shows me up i will never know

Yes and you go on about them having to go down to ten men and then also having to lose another player and oh yes then you point out they also had players injured and banned so you grudingly give with one hand before trying to take with the other while completly missing the point that going down to ten man in many ways suited the Italians who wanted a nil nil anyway no doubt.
What has league possition and the FA cup got to do with this match had we won 8-0 we would still be out of both and you`d still be moaning so whats the difference.
Your being childish lad and you know it.

no I am being realistic, you should try it some time.

again i reiterate that i say its a good result but you seem to be ignoring that, it is a good result but it still has many howevers.

i would be even more delighted with the result if i could see it as more than just a one off result, lets not forget here we went out the FA cup cheaply on saturday and we went out of the title race last year. I want the league, rafa doesnt, thats why i am dissapointed, please tell me how the f*ck we can beat Inter but lose to barnsely just 3 days before.

perspective my friend, now i am not going to get into an argument or b*tch fest with you over this

I would love you to tell me how im not being realistic?
So go on then.... What did i say that wasnt realistic?
Think first then type.

your opinion is obviously opposite to mine based on your comments, lets just leave it at that, my feelings are clear, your feelings are clear

Not opposite mate its not as if im happy with the way this seasons turned out but, you have to enjoy the victorys when they come along or whats the point, credit where its due and all that.
I`ll draw a line under it mate and bid good night.

by **bigmick** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:28 am

Yes I watched it and we played very well. Took it to them for the first twenty minutes, and just as they were starting to feel their way into it they had Matterazi or whtever the feck his name is sent off. He was a bit unlucky but feck him anyway.

Then we huffed and puffed a bit until about the hour mark when Crouch came on. He caused a bit of unrest in their ranks and missed a couple of half chances, Torres had a one on one brilliantly saved and amidst about twenty six seperate appeals for handball, one on Vierra was certainly a possible. Kuyt switched over to the left wing and actually did OK, while Pennant came on bunged a few crosses over. It was beginning to look a bit like it wasn't going to be our night, when a cross eluded everybody and found Kuyt at the left edge of the box. He smashed it kind of into the ground and up and over the goalie and in (it was a good finish, seriously). Liverpool celebrated like the cup itself was on it's way to Anfield (which it probaby is in truth) and we held our breath that we could keep it at 1-0. Then Gerrard kind of sidestepped two blokes and when it looked like he was going to cross it, smashed a grubber accross the face of the keeper and into the far corner in off the post. On the slow-mo, it was one of those where about fifteen blokes had a slide at it without actually getting a touch, and one of the defenders kind of screamed NNNNNNnaaaaaaaaooooooooooooooooo!!!!!! as it went in. Everyone went berserk, Effie our labrador started barking and the ref blew the whistle. That was about the size of it mate, worth a watch though.

by **ConnO'var** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:32 am

bigmick wrote:Yes I watched it and we played very well. Took it to them for the first twenty minutes, and just as they were starting to feel their way into it they had Matterazi or whtever the feck his name is sent off. He was a bit unlucky but feck him anyway.

Then we huffed and puffed a bit until about the hour mark when Crouch came on. He caused a bit of unrest in their ranks and missed a couple of half chances, Torres had a one on one brilliantly saved and amidst about twenty six seperate appeals for handball, one on Vierra was certainly a possible. Kuyt switched over to the left wing and actually did OK, while Pennant came on bunged a few crosses over. It was beginning to look a bit like it wasn't going to be our night, when a cross eluded everybody and found Kuyt at the left edge of the box. He smashed it kind of into the ground and up and over the goalie and in (it was a good finish, seriously). Liverpool celebrated like the cup itself was on it's way to Anfield (which it probaby is in truth) and we held our breath that we could keep it at 1-0. Then Gerrard kind of sidestepped two blokes and when it looked like he was going to cross it, smashed a grubber accross the face of the keeper and into the far corner in off the post. On the slow-mo, it was one of those where about fifteen blokes had a slide at it without actually getting a touch, and one of the defenders kind of screamed NNNNNNnaaaaaaaaooooooooooooooooo!!!!!! as it went in. Everyone went berserk, Effie our labrador started barking and the ref blew the whistle. That was about the size of it mate, worth a watch though.

Cheers mate....

Wouldn't miss it for the world.

Succint as ever.....

by **laza** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:38 am

bigmick wrote:Love this one Joe. We go on the biggest extended blip since Alf Robert's life support machine was switched off, and people are knee jerking into a state of doom and gloom. We win one game three days after getting beat at Home by Barnsley in the fifth round of the FA Cup, and the happy clappers are not knee jerking at all, it's a fully rational respose

Joe point fair enough, I dont think he is saying that Happy clappers are being rational, they are just being as knee jerk as the doom and gloomers.
Guess the difference is Happy clappers knee jerking means the clubs had a win. So I know what I rather been seeing written on these forums

Of course the other problem for those who like to whinge or intelligently dissect the current problems facing the club depending on where you sit on the polarizing message board fence is that being proven right is bad for the club

by **Toffeehater** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:39 am

aieie_brazo wrote:chapeau to liverpool. we deserve to be sent out. ridiculous mentality, we did not play at all. the worst game of inter in the year.
i hope you win the cl

Now thats a very gracious and sporting fan . Hope u win the Seria A in a fairness but next year i hope its juventus :wwww

by **bigmick** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:51 am

laza wrote:Of course the other problem for those who like to whinge or intelligently dissect the current problems facing the club depending on where you sit on the polarizing message board fence is that being proven right is bad for the club

Those who "like to whinge"

We love it mate, love to whinge. Love it when the team doesn't perform so we can get back to our favourite pastime, whinging. Even better if there's been a questionable substitution or some rotation to get our teeth into.

Never let it be said that we come onto a Liverpool discussion board to give an opinion on how the team and manager are performing, we just like to whinge. As for the intellectually dissecting the problems, would it be better if we just whinged without offering any reasoning as to why we disagree?

As for being proven right being bad for the club, this only applies if the manager continues to follow the same mantra which has been unsuccessful doesn't it? If for instance he dropped the selection methods he employs and our fortunes turned for the better, then it would be good for the club (its two fairly big IF's but you take my point).

No I'm sorry I just can't buy this idea that people who have been criticalof the manager are actually wanting the team to lose so they can be "proven right". It certainly doesn't apply to me anyhow.

If Rafa stays next season and carries on with Rafa style I don't personally think it will be effective. I hope we have a good go in the Premeirship though, rafa style or not. If we win it by Rafa stryling and I've got to put up with some much deserved p!ss taking from all the people who've supported rafa through thick and thin then no problem.

by **Toffeehater** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:58 am

*Juventino* wrote:Mascherano was incredible!!!

But Xabi was injured?

No mate , he had a plaster on his foward as he had gotten stitches from the weekend clash with lucas , in the Barnsley game , never expected him to start and rafa confirmed that.

Really surprised by Aurelio , he seems to have this dips in forms , his last good game was manchester city and yesterday was another , he played well and deserved the credit .

Carra and Hypia handled everything that was thrown at them , which was not much but they managed to keep cruz and ibrahamoic quiet ..

Finnan also did well defensively , did not get intimadated and did not show that he was 31 , he was running up and down , crossing was abit poor

Babel , thats his 3rd good game in a row , on the left flank , seems to have adapted there already , troubled Maicon and linked up very well with aurelio , crossing wasn't always the best but i noticed that 2 or 3 inter had to come and get the ball away from him , showed very neat footwork

Mascherano was absolutely superb yesterday , if that performance does not show why we have to sign him then nothing will . He broke down a few of their attacks , kept the midfield quiet , did not let them give much to the fowards . A few sloppy passes and tackles though

Lucas , linked well with mascherano , hard luck on the lad has he came off , was playing well , got foward at times

Gerrard , was everywhere yesterday , was supposed to be on the right , saw him upfront , on the left , middle and of cos right , played a good game and showed how much he loved this club , Lovely bit of exchange between Babel at one point . Scored a magnificent goal to give us and even bigger lead

Pennant , was arguably brought on to provide crosses for crouch and i he was okay , good crossing to trouble the inter defence and it was his cross that set up kuyt . That's how crosses should be , whipped in there with real pace and power , not floated in there

Kuyt , played one hell of a game , ran everywhere as usual , tracked back at times to help the defence , was shifted from right to left and still played decent . I think he was better on the left , scored a lovely goal with the help of a slight deflection , but the shot technique was great , the bounce of th shot made it awkard and difficult for the keeper. Motm for me , as it was looking deadlocked till he came on

Torres , wasn't his best yesterday , his first touch was sloppy but then again , he was just coming back from injury , made materazzi foul him a couple of times with his pace , got materrazzi sent off , Had a couple of good chances though , i think he played decently well too

The team yesterday played as a unit , it's very surprising to see why this can't bve done in the league , No offense but we made inter look like derby county , they were very odinary , no signs of the deadly partnership of cruz and ibrahamovic . Rafa must have made it clear to the players that they was a job to do and the players really stepped up , esp kuyt now its 2 in 2 and he's gotten back to scoring , now he's only 2 behind rooney and look at the season that kuyt's been having , shows u how overated wayne rooney is , not to forget that rafa has rotated him also ..

by **Toffeehater** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:07 am

Emerald Red wrote:I'm talking with a Manc on MSN here. He's rippin it cause according to him, we were out before the game started.

Tell him that they're gonna lose to lyon tonight , it will anger him more

by **Lucky** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:20 am

JoeTerp wrote:if people are going to knee jerk into a state of doom and gloom after a loss, you have to let the happy clappers have their day today, Great start going into the 2nd leg, hopefully we can transfer the confidence

Well said. I'm not a happy clapper, but I'm trying to learn to how to be complete delighted and enjoy such a victory and put other worries aside for a moment. The manage did right things for this match. The players made their best efforts and got the great advantage we need to travel to San Siro with. Nothing to be complained about really. Not to be carried away, but at the moment let's just forget about any other glooms and enjoy our happiness for one day at least

by **Toffeehater** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:32 am

NANNY RED wrote:
Interrrrrrrrrr wrote:Ibrahimovic is the the best forward and football player in the world. He is simply pure world class. Brilliant. His touches, vision, creativity, shots, dribbling, technical ability and strength on the ball is simply all incredible and at times unseen before on football fields. He changes games at every moment by himself.

Nobody is constantly class. Only Zanetti played on his real level tonight. Facts are you got lucky against 10 men for 2/3 of the game very late in the game against an Inter that probably played their worst game of the season.

As an Inter fan for years I can only say FORZA MATERAZZI.

See you in Milan. Hopefully the ref will have some class. We don’t need him to win.

Your teams ‘attacks’ made me laugh.

pmsl here cause did anyone see him touch the ball

Yea i did he was running away from masch and passed it back to veira i think

, what a pussy , Now those are sore inter fans

by **Toffeehater** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:35 am

brenitez wrote:just got home... my ears are ringing!! masher you are a monster!

have to say we thoroughly deserved the result, i said 2-0 and honestly beleived that it still would be with ten mins to go.... spot on tonight lads every 1 did their bit...

where are all the rafa out bleaters tonight!?!?!?

I am still here , look why do u guys post such cr@P , why would i condemm rafa when the team put ina good performance?? U fu.cking stupid or what? I think it's only fair to give credit when due , and today rafa got in absoultely spot on , did not want to see anyone substituted , but rafa made some great ones today whihc looked shocking TBH . Great result , to bring to san siro , a 2 goal cushion , if they get a early goal , they will have be going all out for the 2nd

by **Toffeehater** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:40 am

Interrrrrrrrrr wrote:
The Manhattan Project wrote:
I don’t think so nor did I say he was. But I respect you humble opinion on the matter. Let’s see what he will bring in Milan. I personally think he will nick it for Internazionale.

Nick it?

If we score one your team has to score FOUR.

He'll have to do a lot of nicking.

What do you mean like Liverpool tonight? You’re club is a joke. Its so funny after Besiktas, Porto and now this match. Its just too obvious. Your team is pure attackingly I can’t wait for the second match.

You mean the Porto team we stuffed and the Besiktas team we inflicted the biggest defeat ever in Champions League history upon?

What a deflection shot? It made me laugh. It was Kuyt and the poor f.cker is so sh.i.t that It even made me feel happy for him. Gerrards goal well nice sunday.

Even deflected goals still count.

That's why the score was Liverpool 2 Inter 0

Yes those games Blatter is investigating atm. So how will you score? Kuyt maybe again?

face it. You got lucky against 10 men late in the game against the worst Inter side I have seen in years.

All you will do is defend and defend with 11 yes 11 not 10 men behind the ball for 90 minutes plus extra time. We will break you down in time.

WHo's fault is it that its the wort inter side? the players and the manager? Maybe u shud be calling for mancini's ehad . Look who was defending tonight , Inter was like the great wall of china , 10 men behidn the wall , hell even zlatan was defendng , italian champiosn my :censored:

, FORZA Juventus

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