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LegBarnes wrote:(i could finish better then he can 4 real).

Bamaga man wrote:

kazza wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:

you do not have to be fast to score goals (Shearer) you just have to play your position well, which he does.

Unfortunately he doesnt play his position well, infact I'd say he's average at the very best. Your certainly right its not all about pace as Shearer was a perfect example. But there is simply no comparison infront of goal between Shearer and Kuyt.

So from that we know his finnishing is poor, I wouldnt say its soley confidence. More like desperacy thats hindered Kuyts efforts. Blackburn being the perfect example, whatever his goals ratio isnt good enough for LFC.

Also his alround play is again average at best, his touch is terrible. He can control a ball further than I can kick it. His positioning again is poor, and certainly doesnt have the instinct or the movement that Alan Shearer had inside the box. His heading is average, he is slow, cant take a man on, doesnt have vision all in all he's a workhorse nothing more.

I'm sorry his Dad passed away, and he does seem like a really decent guy, hats off to him for that.

But this isnt a charity we're running here.

It seems that you read more posts than watch games.

In my opinion what you say in no more than 20% accurate but you are entitled to your opinion.

By the way, I do not think he plays like Shearer I just said you do not have to be fast to score goals.

No I watch enough games thanks, and it has nothing to do with "reading posts" I form my own opinion.

He's played for us, for nearly two seasons now. And I have seen enough of him to know he quite simply isnt good enough

If your happy watching mediocre performances from him after one game after another, then it can be easily assumed your quite happy for fourth spot.

kazza wrote:

s@int wrote:its not just about pace, Dalglish was never fast, Fowler was never fast, but they had quick minds, good anticipation and first touch, got off their shots quickly and also made space for themselves in and around the box.

Watch Kuyt in the box ( on the few occasions he gets there ) no movement, flatfooted and when he does get the ball he has poor first touch and takes an age to get his shot off.

I hoped that he could adapt to the better defending and faster pace of the prem, but while he seems to have no problems with the physical nature of the prem (unlike Morientes) the pace of the game seems beyond him.

If you watch most great strikers they rarely hit a ball cleanly, as its more important to hit it before the goalkeeper can "set himself" or a defender can block,than making sure of a perfect contact. With Kuyt the goalkeeper usually has time to clean his gloves and comb his hair for the cameras before Dirk gets off his shot.

Exactly quick minds = mental (as I said) can be improved Henry could not finish when he first started. He got confident and came good. Lost confidence now does not really score that much for Barcelona.

He was improving last year then he father died and he has lost his way. I will not right him off for at least another couple of seasons (he is young) and he is 100% loyal to the club. I will be 100% loyal to him. That is more than I can say for some other players at the club.

kazza wrote:Liverpool striker Dirk Kuyt expects criticism when chances go begging in front of goal.


The Dutchman is the Reds' third top scorer this season with seven goals, but has still come in for some stick.

He missed crucial opportunities in the stalemate at Blackburn in November, and saw his late close-range header saved by Joe Hart in Sunday's draw at Manchester City.

Kuyt, a £10million capture from Feyenoord in the summer of 2006, says the criticism is only to be expected at a big club.

He told LFC Magazine: "When you are a player at a club like Liverpool you have to realise that people expect a lot of you.


"People are always watching you. If you do good things, the papers are full of you. If you miss a few chances or don't play well, the papers are also full of you.

"It works both ways, that's the way football is. I don't mind too much. Okay, it's not a lot of fun to read the papers the next day if they are singling you out.

"But after the Blackburn game, maybe I was more disappointed than anyone.

"I know I work hard enough to start getting results in my game. I just have to be patient.

"I scored a lot of goals in Holland. Many of them were from chances similar to those I had against Blackburn. Usually, they would go in for me. It's just a matter of time before it all comes back."

As far as i am concerned....actions speak louder than words!.....its about time kuyt delivered, he has had long enough to settle in...and his goal tally is woeful, we paid almost £10 mil for him i dont think we would get anywhwere near that amount if we sold him now?.Unless rafa has somebody else lined up to replace him we might have to perservere with him until the end of the season, and hope he finds a bit of form in front of goal, but to be honest i cant see him ever becoming a prolific goal scorer....he just dosen't "cut the mustard" for me.

Paul C wrote:Although Kuyt does my head in and I don't think he's good enough to play in the starting eleven I noticed one thing last night that changed my views on him a little, when he plays in a more advanced striking position he is a different player, when he was on last night and Torres wasn't on the field he played in the box more and looked a lot better, yeah his finishing needs to improve but he got into some good spaces and had some decent chances.

Personally I think Rafa should play Kuyt ALONG SIDE Torres rather than him dropping deep all the time where he just isn't effective at all

Just a thought?