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by **LFC2007** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:24 am

Rafa the big bad greedy ogre :laugh:

by **112-1077774096** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:25 am

Scottbot wrote:
peewee wrote:in my opinion still has to prove himslef in the biggest competition of them all, the league

But we are doing WELL in the league this season mate. Question for you - If we were already qualified for the Champs League knock-out stages would you be fairly happy with how the season was panning out? e.g. win our game in hand and we're 2nd in the LEAGUE, still in League Cup, through to knock-out stages in Europe. Now if the answer is YES then can you not see the irony in what you have been saying? everyone who isn't happy with Rafa bashes him for his record in the league and YET they continually use this season's CHAMPIONS LEAGUE record as a STICK to beat him with IGNORING a very solid start to our league campaign.

the start could have been much better mate if we didnt drop points cheaply as a result of his rotation policy. my opinion

by **Kharhaz** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:28 am

It is something that none of us contemplated this argument. The fact that the owners are hardly around to see how things are going. Rafa has things he needs to sort out but one way or another he cannot seem to get a hold of either one of them, only Rick Parry is around (sort of he might be on holiday !) The fact they cannot see him until xmas time shows that they have much business elsewhere and that LFC are not very high on there agenda. There attitude must be the future of Liverpool is looking good now to concentrate on our other businesses.

by **112-1077774096** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:29 am

bavlondon wrote:I honestly think Rafa will leave. Im surprised they are pushing him to this extreme given the way he walked out of Valencia. The fans love him but as we saw with Mourinho anything is possible.

rafa is pushing himself mate, the statement is clear from the owners that they will talk in december, that means they will talk in december and whinging to the poress and behaving the way he has has made benitez look foolish, I kjnwo he is some sort of god on here hwho is faultless in many eyes but this is a fact, he has acted stupidly

by **The Manhattan Project** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:38 am

the americans are clowns, they should stick to what they now best, invading countries for oil.....we should never have been sold to them, they have no culture!

Go home americans we dont want you!

What hideous ignorant statements these are.

by **Red Red Tom** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:00 am

Are they really hideous ignorant statements? I for one don't want Hicks in particular here. If Rafa is sacked for NON FOOTBALL REASONS then LFC doesn't mean anything anymore - that's not what we are, or what we are about. Remember FC United?

Who would support 'Anfield FC'?

I love Rafa, In Rafa we Trust etc, but that's not what this is about. It's the principle of EVERYTHING that LFC means to me. Everton really will be 'the People's Club' then.

by **Kharhaz** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:05 am

Red Red Tom wrote:If Rafa is sacked for NON FOOTBALL REASONS then LFC doesn't mean anything anymore - that's not what we are, or what we are about.

The biggest statement you made there consists of only 2 letters, IF, many people are getting way ahead of themselves.

by **112-1077774096** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:11 am

Kharhaz wrote:
Red Red Tom wrote:If Rafa is sacked for NON FOOTBALL REASONS then LFC doesn't mean anything anymore - that's not what we are, or what we are about.

The biggest statement you made there consists of only 2 letters, IF, many people are getting way ahead of themselves.

well tom if LFC will mean nothing to you anymore that shows that you are not puttling LFC first, whatever happens the club should come first and your statement means that you will stop supporting, obviously you think rafa is bigger than LFC because he has won a couple of trophies, give me a break

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:20 am

peewee wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
Red Red Tom wrote:If Rafa is sacked for NON FOOTBALL REASONS then LFC doesn't mean anything anymore - that's not what we are, or what we are about.

The biggest statement you made there consists of only 2 letters, IF, many people are getting way ahead of themselves.

well tom if LFC will mean nothing to you anymore that shows that you are not puttling LFC first, whatever happens the club should come first and your statement means that you will stop supporting, obviously you think rafa is bigger than LFC because he has won a couple of trophies, give me a break

I don't think thats what he's saying mate. He is making the point that Rafa MAY be sacked for trying to get whats best for Liverpool. IF he his sacked for such reasons LFC and all it has stood/stands for will become as nothing.

Our club will be no different than all the other petty little clubs that bow to the almighty dollar/yen/peso/rouble/pound.

FFS he has hardly made outragous demands, He's not asking for the money to sign Kaka and Ronaldinho. He wants to sign Mascherano who must surely have been discussed at some stage since his arrival, and he's even willing to offset the costs by selling players to pay for any signings.

by **Red Red Tom** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:22 am

peewee wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
Red Red Tom wrote:If Rafa is sacked for NON FOOTBALL REASONS then LFC doesn't mean anything anymore - that's not what we are, or what we are about.

The biggest statement you made there consists of only 2 letters, IF, many people are getting way ahead of themselves.

well tom if LFC will mean nothing to you anymore that shows that you are not puttling LFC first, whatever happens the club should come first and your statement means that you will stop supporting, obviously you think rafa is bigger than LFC because he has won a couple of trophies, give me a break

You know what, you're right. Of course Rafa isn't bigger than LFC, but neither are G&H. LFC means so much to me, because we are different, because we have The Liverpool Way. I'm full of emotion at the moment, and don't really know what to think, but part of me is saying that the Liverpool Way is dead, and THAT'S why I love this club. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'll regret this in the morning - but to me putting LFC first would involve hounding out these c*nts, even if we did a Leeds. If that can't happen, then I'd rather support Anfield FC, with the soul of LFC than another Chelsea.

I don't know. I'm too depressed to think straight. Everything is falling apart.

by **Red Red Tom** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:24 am

s@int wrote:
peewee wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
Red Red Tom wrote:If Rafa is sacked for NON FOOTBALL REASONS then LFC doesn't mean anything anymore - that's not what we are, or what we are about.

The biggest statement you made there consists of only 2 letters, IF, many people are getting way ahead of themselves.

well tom if LFC will mean nothing to you anymore that shows that you are not puttling LFC first, whatever happens the club should come first and your statement means that you will stop supporting, obviously you think rafa is bigger than LFC because he has won a couple of trophies, give me a break

I don't think thats what he's saying mate. He is making the point that Rafa MAY be sacked for trying to get whats best for Liverpool. IF he his sacked for such reasons LFC and all it has stood/stands for will become as nothing.

Our club will be no different than all the other petty little clubs that bow to the almighty dollar/yen/peso/rouble/pound.

FFS he has hardly made outragous demands, He's not asking for the money to sign Kaka and Ronaldinho. He wants to sign Mascherano who must surely have been discussed at some stage since his arrival, and he's even willing to offset the costs by selling players to pay for any signings.

Far, far better put than me above. That IS pretty much what I'm saying, but Peewee is also right. I was at the game on Saturday, I'm going on Wednesday, I was there in Athens, but rightly or wrongly I won't be able to stomach going for a long time if this ends the way I fear it might.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:26 am

Are they really hideous ignorant statements? I for one don't want Hicks in particular here. If Rafa is sacked for NON FOOTBALL REASONS then LFC doesn't mean anything anymore - that's not what we are, or what we are about. Remember FC United?

Who would support 'Anfield FC'?

I love Rafa, In Rafa we Trust etc, but that's not what this is about. It's the principle of EVERYTHING that LFC means to me. Everton really will be 'the People's Club' then.

I don't love Rafa. I respect that he's a good manager, but I love Liverpool Football Club. If Rafa isn't the man to deliver what is required, then he'll have to go. Thus far I tend to agree with Hicks and Gillett. He's bought players and needs to deliver the goods now. On Wednesday, we could very well be knocked out of the Champions League. If he had a problem with transfers, then it should have been addressed quietly and privately. This public stuff I don't like. As for Hicks and Gillett, as long as they can 1) provide the needed funds for players 2) keep the club financially healthy and 3) build the new stadium responsibly, then they are fine with me.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:28 am

s@int wrote:FFS he has hardly made outragous demands, He's not asking for the money to sign Kaka and Ronaldinho. He wants to sign Mascherano who must surely have been discussed at some stage since his arrival, and he's even willing to offset the costs by selling players to pay for any signings.

Sense.

Is it not okay as a manager to be concerned about every aspect of your club going forward?

I think it is.

Perhaps Rafa expressed his frustration in the wrong manner, but I'd be more concerned if he expressed no concern whatsoever as to our plans going forward.

Rafa, as far as I can tell from his interviews, and from every account I've known or seen, is always thinking about football. His frustration appears to be drawn from the fact that, from his experiences and through his planning for us, he believes the club may not be acting swiftly enough.

Rafa is not an unreasonable character, and there is certainly no evidence whatsoever to suggest that he is holding out to earn a big pay-off. I find such suggestions farcical, and indicative of the opportunistic few on this forum.

by **Kharhaz** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:28 am

Peewee is right in the sense of lets wait until they sit down and talk. Speculation is exactly that. I can sit here and type the calm poop I do because I dont buy newspapers and take in what tripe they have to offer. All I have seen are the quotes of rafa and the owners. They have have said they will sit down in december and talk. And rest assured they will. The press have done a good job it seems in unsettling many on here.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:32 am

1) provide the needed funds for players 2) keep the club financially healthy and 3) build the new stadium responsibly, then they are fine with me.

1/ Obviously they can't/won't provide the needed funds (surely the manager is the best judge of whether players are needed or not?)

2/Taking out a loan of £500million to be set against the club is hardly a sign of financial health

3/ The cost of the stadium has gone through the roof and yet we have still had nothing but delays and setbacks.

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