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metalhead » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:55 pm wrote:dai amico! I didn't say his form dipped just because of the back four, it's one of the reasons definitely, he was still part of the defense that didn't concede a lot when Kenny Dalglish was in charge too. His formed dipped for a lot of reasons too, one of them being the change in back four personnel

damjan193 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:53 pm wrote:It's a bit silly to say that Reina's form dipped because of the bad back 4 he had in front of him while Mignolet currently has a back 4 that is even worse. Keep in mind that he's also playing in a system that favors attacking football.

But unfortunately, IMO, Mignolet has a lot of flaws that I thought we'll see an improvement on by now but it hasn't happened and I don't think that it ever will. Overall, Reina was a far better keeper. Yes, he might have not caught shots like Mign did the other day but he would have still saved it, just not like that. He would have probably positioned himself in front of Rodriguez, closing all the angles and denying Rodriguez the opportunity to have a decent shot.

However, considering Reina's form and the way that he acted, I think that signing Mignolet was the right decision. He might not be as good as Reina was at his best, but he's still a good goalie that will have a good career with us.

  (sic) Mignolet might not be as good as Reina was at his best, but he's still a good goalie that will have a good career with us

damjan193 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:07 pm wrote:

metalhead » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:55 pm wrote:dai amico! I didn't say his form dipped just because of the back four, it's one of the reasons definitely, he was still part of the defense that didn't concede a lot when Kenny Dalglish was in charge too. His formed dipped for a lot of reasons too, one of them being the change in back four personnel

Well I wasn't referring specifically to your comments but either way, if the "weak back 4" excuse can be given to Reina, it can be given to Mignolet as well.

Reina wasn't himself anymore and he didn't want to be here so he had to be moved on. Who has a "dip" in form for 2 damn years anyway?

damjan193 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:53 pm wrote:It's a bit silly to say that Reina's form dipped because of the bad back 4 he had in front of him while Mignolet currently has a back 4 that is even worse. Keep in mind that he's also playing in a system that favors attacking football.

But unfortunately, IMO, Mignolet has a lot of flaws that I thought we'll see an improvement on by now but it hasn't happened and I don't think that it ever will. Overall, Reina was a far better keeper. Yes, he might have not caught shots like Mign did the other day but he would have still saved it, just not like that. He would have probably positioned himself in front of Rodriguez, closing all the angles and denying Rodriguez the opportunity to have a decent shot.

However, considering Reina's form and the way that he acted, I think that signing Mignolet was the right decision. He might not be as good as Reina was at his best, but he's still a good goalie that will have a good career with us.

Stu the Red » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:14 pm wrote:

damjan193 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:53 pm wrote:It's a bit silly to say that Reina's form dipped because of the bad back 4 he had in front of him while Mignolet currently has a back 4 that is even worse. Keep in mind that he's also playing in a system that favors attacking football.

But unfortunately, IMO, Mignolet has a lot of flaws that I thought we'll see an improvement on by now but it hasn't happened and I don't think that it ever will. Overall, Reina was a far better keeper. Yes, he might have not caught shots like Mign did the other day but he would have still saved it, just not like that. He would have probably positioned himself in front of Rodriguez, closing all the angles and denying Rodriguez the opportunity to have a decent shot.

However, considering Reina's form and the way that he acted, I think that signing Mignolet was the right decision. He might not be as good as Reina was at his best, but he's still a good goalie that will have a good career with us.

It contributes to poor form. The player next to you will always contribute to your own form, he won't however increase your own level of ability. As for playing in a team that favours attacking football that's fine, I'm not expecting clean sheet after clean sheet like Pepe used to churn out, but conceding two goals a game on a regular basis and being at fault for as many as he is at fault for is quite simply not good enough.

As for Mignolet being "good", nar... average at best.

Boocity » Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:34 pm wrote:

Stu the Red » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:14 pm wrote:

damjan193 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:53 pm wrote:It's a bit silly to say that Reina's form dipped because of the bad back 4 he had in front of him while Mignolet currently has a back 4 that is even worse. Keep in mind that he's also playing in a system that favors attacking football.

But unfortunately, IMO, Mignolet has a lot of flaws that I thought we'll see an improvement on by now but it hasn't happened and I don't think that it ever will. Overall, Reina was a far better keeper. Yes, he might have not caught shots like Mign did the other day but he would have still saved it, just not like that. He would have probably positioned himself in front of Rodriguez, closing all the angles and denying Rodriguez the opportunity to have a decent shot.

However, considering Reina's form and the way that he acted, I think that signing Mignolet was the right decision. He might not be as good as Reina was at his best, but he's still a good goalie that will have a good career with us.

It contributes to poor form. The player next to you will always contribute to your own form, he won't however increase your own level of ability. As for playing in a team that favours attacking football that's fine, I'm not expecting clean sheet after clean sheet like Pepe used to churn out, but conceding two goals a game on a regular basis and being at fault for as many as he is at fault for is quite simply not good enough.

As for Mignolet being "good", nar... average at best.

World class save at the weekend tho and clean sheet

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:09 pm wrote:

damjan193 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:07 pm wrote:

metalhead » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:55 pm wrote:dai amico! I didn't say his form dipped just because of the back four, it's one of the reasons definitely, he was still part of the defense that didn't concede a lot when Kenny Dalglish was in charge too. His formed dipped for a lot of reasons too, one of them being the change in back four personnel

Well I wasn't referring specifically to your comments but either way, if the "weak back 4" excuse can be given to Reina, it can be given to Mignolet as well.

Reina wasn't himself anymore and he didn't want to be here so he had to be moved on. Who has a "dip" in form for 2 damn years anyway?

Reina had seen a lot players from his 'generation' like Alonso, Torres, Arbeloa, Hyypia, Garcia, Riise, Kuyt, Benayoun etc leave the club and of course he saw the manager who brought him here in the first place go too. We've all worked for firms that have gone through a lot of personnel changes and all of a sudden it doesn't feel like the same place anymore, probably a bit of that was going on with Reina.
He was a top keeper for us but we need to look forward not backwards.

Stu the Red » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:26 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:09 pm wrote:Reina had seen a lot players from his 'generation' like Alonso, Torres, Arbeloa, Hyypia, Garcia, Riise, Kuyt, Benayoun etc leave the club and of course he saw the manager who brought him here in the first place go too. We've all worked for firms that have gone through a lot of personnel changes and all of a sudden it doesn't feel like the same place anymore, probably a bit of that was going on with Reina.
He was a top keeper for us but we need to look forward not backwards.

Fair comment, Mignolet isn't the answer though! Not a chance!

damjan193 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:24 pm wrote:

Stu the Red » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:26 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:09 pm wrote:Reina had seen a lot players from his 'generation' like Alonso, Torres, Arbeloa, Hyypia, Garcia, Riise, Kuyt, Benayoun etc leave the club and of course he saw the manager who brought him here in the first place go too. We've all worked for firms that have gone through a lot of personnel changes and all of a sudden it doesn't feel like the same place anymore, probably a bit of that was going on with Reina.
He was a top keeper for us but we need to look forward not backwards.

Fair comment, Mignolet isn't the answer though! Not a chance!

Well that's debatable. Woof compared him with Dudek and I agree with him. Dudek had a lot of flaws but didn't he have a great career with us? Heck, we wouldn't have won the CL without him. Mign is no Pepe but he's a good keeper nevertheless.

damjan193 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:24 pm wrote: Woof compared him with Dudek and I agree with him. Dudek had a lot of flaws but didn't he have a great career with us? Heck, we wouldn't have won the CL without him. Mign is no Pepe but he's a good keeper nevertheless.

woof woof ! » Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:30 am wrote:

damjan193 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:24 pm wrote: Woof compared him with Dudek and I agree with him. Dudek had a lot of flaws but didn't he have a great career with us? Heck, we wouldn't have won the CL without him. Mign is no Pepe but he's a good keeper nevertheless.

Agree that Dudeks' peformance in the CL final was outstanding as were a couple of others during his time with us, e.g. the League Cup Final win over Man Utd, but no, he didn't (imo) have a great career with us.

He was our first choice keeper for four seasons, he lost his "first choice" place to Chris Kirkland in his second season and only regained it because of injury to Kirkland. He also spent his final two seasons at Liverpool as back up keeper to Pepe Reina, and in all competitions during those last two years made less than a dozen appearances.

He'll always be a Liverpool legend if only for that one night in Istanbul, but a great career with us ? 

SouthCoastShankly » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:34 am wrote:Couldn't agree more. Dudek better than Mignolet, that's enough to make someone choke on their coffee. 

Dudek is a legend but his status as a cult hero is on a par with with Igor Biscan. Both will always get a cheer but the reality is, for the most part, they were so bad you had to laugh.

Stu the Red » Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:48 am wrote:

SouthCoastShankly » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:34 am wrote:Couldn't agree more. Dudek better than Mignolet, that's enough to make someone choke on their coffee. 

Dudek is a legend but his status as a cult hero is on a par with with Igor Biscan. Both will always get a cheer but the reality is, for the most part, they were so bad you had to laugh.

Yet more clueless drivel from someone who think Lucas and Skrtel are amoung the best in the league in their positions!