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by **Emerald Red** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:31 pm

dawson99 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
dawson99 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
SeaofRed wrote:What can we look forward to next season?

A make shift manager who isn't good enough, an anti-climax in the transfer window where we sign Kevin Betsy for £1.50 from Wycombe, disappointment in all major competitions, a mid table finish and the prospect of our key players leaving if we have another nightmare season, that's if they don't leave this summer.

I'm looking forward to next season, I cannot wait.

Its sh!te like this that bigmick went on about.

Lets just see what happens eh ?

Plus point for me, we have got rid of one of the things that was holding us back last season.
Now for the owners.

Exept he was being sarcastic when he was banging on about it.

because loads of people called him negative.

and he was reading rubbish like..

no manager will come to liverpool
no players will come to liverpool
best we can hope for is europa league
rafa has done all he could
we are comepting against teams with too much money

then he replied saying he thought we had good players and would be able to compete, but was accused of being a moaner and anti etc etc etc.

He is spot on, we will compete with a different manager, lets be honest it wouldnt take much for someone to improve on what we witnessed last season would it ?

What rubbish about any of that? How the f*ck is any of that rubbish when we don't have a pot to p*ss in and have a proported transfere budget of 5 million? Get it through your f*cking heads! We're being skinned alive from the inside out. We're being drip bled, slowly. We have a team of administrators running us. What's that say? Yes, we are in f*cking administration all but officially. Shocking, yeah, I know. But that's the reality of this club.

Emerald mate, I notice in your posts you never actual mention the football we play, just the behind the scenes problems

Hate to break it to you, but the football we played last season was a direct result for a couple of things that are not laid soley at the managers feet as some would have it. Oh, and just because we had one season playing dull stuff, it doesn't mean I'm going to scrub my memory of the previous years now is it? What is going on behind the scenes is everything and I've been saying that mid way through last year. "But our football is shyte. Sack the manager". It's like putting new deck chairs on the Titanic.

no, the football we played was down to bad signings, bad tactics and bad football.

Bad signings like who? Bad tactics? That'll be the system we played the previous season, wouldn't it? Were they bad then? Every manager makes f*ck ups in a season. It's how leagues get lost. If defenders didn't make mistakes, there'd be very little goals scored. You people want a flawless diety who can do no wrong? Not going to happen. Ever. Even Shanks f*cked it. In fact, he made errors just as big as Rafa did. I remember before the EPL was formed the Mancs got tanked by City and they had a banner on it that said: "3 years of sh*t. No more Ferguson" or something along those lines. Ah, hindsight is brilliant.

Tell you what: yous want the league any time, say, within the next five years? We need a billionaire to take us over because until that happens, I can't see us getting anywhere near it.

by **Big Niall** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:31 pm

I'll be so happy to see him go, I just hope he doesn't get to screw the club for too much money (it is always about money for these guys, it costs a fortune to get rid of them, just like the bankers).

A good start to rebuilding the club :buttrock

by **neil** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:32 pm

i have a sense of excitement back again, the club has started to take some steps in the right direction. The dummies being spat out on here is incredible by the way.

by **jacdaniel** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:33 pm

For all the anti-Rafa brigade out there... when our administrators sell all our assets, i hope you then enjoy the attacking football we'll be playing with Lee Carsley and co.. maybe Lucas will then be the star player?

And if a new manager comes in, cant sign anyone, but wins the PL... well i guess that would technically mean Rafa won it? It is his squad after all that the new manager will "inherit".

by **dawson99** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:33 pm

Emerald, hes had 6 years, we're going backwards, last year was the worst football weve played since Souness, its time to move on, simples

by **Igor Zidane** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:33 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:If we get a manager with absolutely no balls to speak out against these two, then they'll flog who they like to refinance that loan and there's f*ck all anyone can do about it.

Well, this is the part that remains to be seen so I wish people would take Scottbot's cue and consider it a possible scenario rather than an ironclad fact. We'll simply have to wait and see how things shake out and I hate reading how clueless people are who don't immediately jump to the conclusion that Rafa has been pushed out to make way for a massive clearout of playing assets.

What seems apparent is that Rafa's time is up and all that's left to sort out is the nature of the severance package. I would think there's no way back for him at this stage and that he'll be out the door soon. As such, I'll thank him for all he did for the club during his time--which I think was a considerable amount, both on and off the pitch. With that said--and pushing all the speculation about boardroom motives to one side for the moment--I do think it's time that he moves on from a footballing perspective.

What seems apparent is that the only man who was able to have full say on transfer dealings has now been sacked . So we are left with , the manager of a hedge fund , the chairman of BA who's also a chelsea season ticket holder and our two illustrious owners. Now then Bob , WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO ABOUT THIS ? Nah forget about it mate , Guus Hiddinks coming with a transfer kitty of £100 million . We'll be sound .

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:34 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
dawson99 wrote:Emerald mate, I notice in your posts you never actual mention the football we play, just the behind the scenes problems

Because it seems that while we have these owners the fact that the manager is making a pigsear of the job of managing the team and getting results is irrelevant.

He stands up to the owners apparantly.
Well while he drags us down hill with results he is also a problem that needs sorting out.

Hopefully this has been done.

Do you think everything at a football club hinges at the manager? Remember this: sh*t rolls downhill.

No i dont.

But i dont think Hicks and Gilette told him what tactics to play and recommended he sign Aquilani then never play him.

So Aquilani was our one savior then, was he? Truth be told: a lot of those players let themselves down this season and didn't deserve to have the shirts on their backs. I could cite our captain, but that's not allowed.

by **thegreedo** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:34 pm

dawson99 wrote:
SeaofRed wrote:
dawson99 wrote:no, the football we played was down to bad signings, bad tactics and bad football.

So who do you want to manage us next season?

Quality!! I'm with you Daw's. Bring in the Bish!!!!

by **DAV** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:35 pm

i can not believe someone on here said "bad signings". Like who?

some people have tunnel vision they really do

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:35 pm

dawson99 wrote:Emerald, hes had 6 years, we're going backwards, last year was the worst football weve played since Souness, its time to move on, simples

Shanks went backwards. Fergie went f*cking backwards from last year. Sack him! Wenger went backwards once or twice I think. I dunno. Maybe.

by **Igor Zidane** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:38 pm

neil wrote:i have a sense of excitement back again, the club has started to take some steps in the right direction. The dummies being spat out on here is incredible by the way.

Really and what direction would that be mate ? What's the next step d'yer reckon ? Top manager , top signings , maybe no signings but keep the players we've got , bit of a transfer kitty maybe , what mate . Where are the positives in this?

by **dawson99** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:39 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
dawson99 wrote:Emerald, hes had 6 years, we're going backwards, last year was the worst football weve played since Souness, its time to move on, simples

Shanks went backwards. Fergie went f*cking backwards from last year. Sack him! Wenger went backwards once or twice I think. I dunno. Maybe.

backwards 1st to 2nd and backwards out of CL can't even beat Hull are 2 different things.

Did you watch us play last season?
We sucked, no flair, no desire, the players looked lost on the pitch.. we need change on the pitch and we need a new gaffer to try something different.

I love Rafa, but hes taken us as far as he can

by **parchpea** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:40 pm

Benitez has a good crack at it by modern day football standards and though we all accept the club is in a mess the fact is we would not be looking to replace the manager had we done better last season. Despite some good work from Benitez in the past last year was a complete shambles and not all of that was down to problems behind the scenes and the manager always carries the can. We all have opinions but mine is that despite all the difficulties we should be doing better on the field and can improve that part of this failing business at the very least. We are up sh@t creek, and I am not denying that, but when you are trying to sell a football club it does not help matters when the manager is at odds with the owners,and though this puts Benitez is a good light with some fans it is not really helping our biggest issue of all, that being selling the club. We need everyone on side at Anfield and making the club as attractive as can be, not a war zone with a difficult manager scrapping with the ownership every two minutes. Maybe the removal of Benitez will actually assist the sale and thats the price he and his supporters will have to pay so we can move on.

by **SeaofRed** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:41 pm

serendipity wrote:What worse than 7th, early exists from all championships, and incredibly naive boring football. Oh dear that doesn't sound too good does it :-(

It all depends on the scenario's at the club doesn't it?

It has been reported that Rafa has had a falling out with several players, whether this is true or not is something I cannot say, but even if Rafa has fallen out with Torres, Gerrard and Jamie Carragher - Benitez's imminent departure doesn't guarantee that they'll still be in two months time.

Gerrard and Torres have said they'll consider their future once the World Cup is finished, but I wouldn't be surprised if they left. I fully expect Mascherano and Benayoun to leave this summer if reports of what they had said is true. Oh and I wouldn't be surprised if Pepe Reina walks out with Rafa leaving, if there is one player who has always supported Rafa it has been Pepe Reina, but it's all mere speculation at the moment, we'll have to wait and see.

If we employ a full term manager or a caretaker; I expect no improvement on last seasons standings in the league and any cup competitions, but I am fine with that as I said earlier I don't want players here who do not want to be here and aren't fully committed to playing for their manager and us fans who pay their wages. I am always perfectly fine with this club slipping further down the table as it will make the boards position at the club untenable and it will force them into accepting an acceptable price for the club, if us fighting to finish tenth or eleven makes Hicks miss out on his huge profit then it is some embarrassment and pain I am willing to take.

One thing is for certain - I cannot see anything good coming out of Rafa Benitez's departure, I cannot see any hope for this club as long as these two profiteers remain at the helm of our club. The damage they are doing is very real and the full extent of the damage will only be realised on a universal scale after they have sold the club.

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:42 pm

DAV wrote:i can not believe someone on here said "bad signings". Like who?

some people have tunnel vision they really do

Well f*cking name them then and stop acting like a total simpleton. We've signed some absolute sh*te, but who hasn't? You tell me one manager who hasn't had them. You won't because you can't. You sign sh*te because the simple fact is if you've only a budget to spend on vital areas, youre going to invest there, and the rest gets spread thin in other areas for back ups such as Degen, Voronin, and N'Gog et al. Sh*t investment = sh*t players. Pull your head from your hole.

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