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by **Greavesie** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:32 am

Ben that p!sses me off as well, it probably does evey Liverpool fan but given the current state of the club I'd say rafa is the only bit of stability we have right now (depending on players' feelings towards him that is). Do you think that another manager will spend loads of money. I can see this being a clearout now, Gerrard, Torres, Masch. Its looking bloody grim and some of you lot have the nerve to celebrate this. YOU'RE NUTS if you think this is a good thing

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:32 am

SeaofRed wrote:
stmichael wrote:I've said exactly the same for years and got shot down every time. Last year the guy was a disgrace but people still defended him because of everything he'd done in the past. People used other players misgivings as some sort of excuse for his poor form. He swanned around the pitch looking half arsed for most of the season, only getting up for games when he felt like it.

His attitude over the past season has been nothing short of disgraceful. It's not the first time it has happened either. People who slate Rafa to the hilt accuse Benitez of living off of Istanbul and Cardiff, but that is what Gerrard has been doing over the past four years and my patience with the man has worn thin.

If he wants to go then I won't be losing any sleep, we've gotten the best years out of him and it is time to let him go before the rot sets in and we are stuck with another player who is a shadow of his former self.

gerrard was player of the year in 09 numb nuts

by **Greavesie** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:33 am

I would take anyone over RAFA at the minute (even sammy Lee).

you get slated because of sh!te like this

player of the year? is that not player of the year 08/09? just enquiring btw

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:35 am

Greavesie wrote:Ben that p!sses me off as well, it probably does evey Liverpool fan but given the current state of the club I'd say rafa is the only bit of stability we have right now (depending on players' feelings towards him that is). Do you think that another manager will spend loads of money. I can see this being a clearout now, Gerrard, Torres, Masch. Its looking bloody grim and some of you lot have the nerve to celebrate this. YOU'RE NUTS if you think this is a good thing

Your speculating that there will be a big clear out.
Just as there is loads of speculation doing the rounds that the key players wanted to leave if he STAYED.

Yes i see it as a good thing if he goes.
For reasons mentioned previously.

He has somehow seemed to manufactor a situation where he fails and we accept it as there is no chance anyone else could do any better.
Its absolute rubbish and we will move on with a new man.

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:36 am

Greavesie wrote:
I would take anyone over RAFA at the minute (even sammy Lee).

you get slated because of sh!te like this

player of the year? is that not player of the year 08/09? just enquiring btw

Yes it was, seaofred said that he had done nothing since the FA cup win.
The season before the one that just ended he was the player of the year for the whole league.
So i was pointing out how daft the comment was.

by **stmichael** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:37 am

all i'll say is i hope people are happy with having a "yes" man in charge then? because lets face it, that's what's going to happen now.

if kenny has any balls he'll tell the yanks to get lost aswell. he's got too much reputation to lose by taking it.

i'm still amazed that rafa didn't quit this circus 18 months ago if i'm honest.

by **DAV** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:37 am

slate me all you like
the question still remains
why do you want him to stay?

by **SeaofRed** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:43 am

Ben you do make valid points, I thought Rafa had been disappointing in the past two transfer windows and the signings of Dossena, Keane and Aquilani (who despite being a fantastic little player is an injury-prone player) did anger me greatly, but not as much as Benitez having to work on a sell-to-buy transfer policy when our rivals are out spending freely while keeping their squads relatively intact.

Could Rafa have bought in better players? Probably, but Rafa is in a position where because of a lack of transfer revenue his margin for error is far smaller than say Ancelotti at Chelsea or Ferguson at Man Utd. I mean can you imagine what would have happened to Rafa had he signed Berbatov for £31m? I dread to think.

Benitez's tactics and formations last season left a lot to be desired, in particular his use of a lone striker and two holding midfielders, but as long as a manager has proven he has loyalty to the club and time for the fans of the club and has proven he has what it takes to be successful then I'll allow him to have a bad season. I think the problems within football stem from this apparent obsession with "instant success". You only have to log into the .tv forums and you'll see threads like "Lets sign Wesley Sneijder and Samuel Eto'o and we'll win the league". "Let's sell our club to the highest bidder and let's sign Ronaldo, Kaka, Ibrahimovic" and so on...

Rafa deserves backing and Rafa deserves to keep his job, one bad season hasn't changed my mind, I firmly believe and will always believe that Benitez has what it takes to win us multiple trophies, but the sad thing is he just never had the financial support he needed.

by **kawaton** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:44 am

slate me all you like
the question still remains
why do you want him to stay?

:help

by **DAV** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:46 am

again with the finances. How much did robbie keane cost? how much did the injured italian cost? how much did dossena cost? how much did glen jonston cost? and before that Torres?
if that isnt cash then i do not no what is

by **loopyliverpool** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:46 am

The question I am asking is why we are to pay him off? I know he had a contract but would it not have been wiser to wait for another club to approach him (there was talk of Juve and Inter), allow it, and then get some compensation. Strange cos Rafa could now hold out for the greater part of the £16m owed him and then walk straight into another job. Its not good business sense for me. If we get away with just paying the £3m touted he is to get as severence then fair enough but, I see the eventual figure being far higher and we can ill afford that!

by **stmichael** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:47 am

DAV wrote:why do you want him to stay?

(bangs head against wall again)

Get it into your thick heads. He's the only person willing to stand up to the real cancer at the club who are those two ba$tards running the show.

The decision to get rid of Rafa (if it has been taken) has f#ck all to do with football. It's about politics and I'd be very surprised if the decision on who's taking over next isn't influenced heavily by those politics aswell.

They are getting rid of Rafa so they can make the decisions on who is sold and for how much. Kenny will be a passenger in the whole process.

Basically, we are screwed. I can't believe people are seriously happy about this.

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:47 am

Well i like the fact that you can admit he has made mistakes.
There are plenty that will not even do that.
If he had signed an able replacement for Alonso and brought another striking option in last season, which we were all crying out for, then things might have been majorly different.
The fact that he never was unbelievable.
Even signing Maxi (who i like) in Jan when we had no strikers was a crazy move.
People will defend it saying who was there to sign ?
Well am not being funny but its his job to find players.
If he couldnt find one single striker that he could have got in on loan or on a free then he is not looking hard enough or has poor contacts.

by **kawaton** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:47 am

I've spent over £50,000 on cars in my life, and only got a £10,000 motor to show for it.

I should be sacked :sleep

by **SeaofRed** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:48 am

Ben Patrick wrote:gerrard was player of the year in 09 numb nuts

Good for Gerrard; it doesn't change the fact Gerrard has received virtually no criticism from supporters who always bring up his countless heroics, while in turn lambasting those who bring up Istanbul and Cardiff in defence of Rafa Benitez.

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