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[KennyisGod....still]

Gonna be intrestin to see how long the new guy gets b4 he's massacred, cuz like Rafa or not, I don't see any1 doin much better for a few yrs. I HOPE TO CHRIST I'm wrong, I really do, but with all the shennanigans goin on within Anfield's walls these days I have little faith in the next few seasons bein much better than this last one. Rafa got a lotta things wrong, I doubt even he could argue that, but he also got a lotta things right. Be that thru luck or judgement I dare say in time we'll find out, but politically alotta things need to change before any new manager can be lookin at the kinda success Rafa's first few seasons bought us.

And yes, I know, the new gaffer's gonna have what Rafa left him behind - this aint a pro/anti statement I'm making, just a point of view towards whoever takes a very hot seat next. That new gaffer's also gonna have to contend with twit and tw@t too, plus the potential agreements/disagreements from the rest of the board. Gonna need a good strong backbone, lotsa patience and faith. And thats just us!!!!!

[SeaofRed]

Well i like the fact that you can admit he has made mistakes.
There are plenty that will not even do that.
If he had signed an able replacement for Alonso and brought another striking option in last season, which we were all crying out for, then things might have been majorly different.
The fact that he never was unbelievable.
Even signing Maxi (who i like) in Jan when we had no strikers was a crazy move.
People will defend it saying who was there to sign ?
Well am not being funny but its his job to find players.
If he couldnt find one single striker that he could have got in on loan or on a free then he is not looking hard enough or has poor contacts.

Everyone makes mistakes, Rafa even came out in March time and admitted that he made mistakes. He took responsibility for his mistakes, how many managers hold their hands up? Not many, but Rafa respects us enough to do just that. You could be cynical and say it was a shrewd move by Benitez to try and offer an olive branch to disillusioned fans or a clever ploy to buy himself more time, but I hold Rafa in the highest regard, so those scenario's seem far-fetched to me.

I agree we needed a new striker and I am surprised Benitez didn't try and sign someone in, but I would have been in favour of moving Dirk Kuyt into a strikers role with N'Gog playing just ahead of him (if Rafa had no transfer budget, which seems more than likely).

[stmichael]

I wonder how long those who wanted Rafa out will give the next manager before they get on his back aswell?

[Sabre]

i have not posted on here in months. As i have wanted rafa out for along time now, and all posts led to pro and anti rafa arguments. I respect people who want him to to stay.
My question is simple, now it looks like he is going.
What reasons have you got for wanting him to stay?
I  would take anyone over RAFA at the minute (even sammy Lee).
So again i say why do you want him to stay?
i have lists of reasons i want rid of him but i think all have been talked about before.
so again why do you want him to stay?

I respect you want him out and I've been also avoiding Rafa-antiRafa discussions as of late.

I want him to stay because for the same reason he won't have problems to find another big club after this awful season, because I think he's a good manager.

A manager with mistakes, some of them big ones, but that overall changed the way Liverpool was perceived when he came. We weren't regulars in the Champions League, and it became somewhat normal to reach CL semifinals. The press talked about the top three, and and after Istambul they talked again about the top four. We had our rival coaches talking badly about our club, which talks about how we were perceived as a threat.

Now what I don't want for Liverpool is 4 years without a title, nor seasons like the last one. That's not good enough, even with the problems Rafa had to face.

But I don't think we would have a season like the last one if he stayed, but more like the previous ones.

I'll support the next manager too, whoever he is. I'd be extremely happy if he has half the success we had in Europe, and he's able to make Liverpool challenge for the title, with so unfair money differences compared to Chelsea and Manchester.

IMHO, with 20M for spending, it will be difficult to compete, even if Rafa left a spine of Reina, Mascherano, Gerrard and Torrres. So I think the new manager will have a very difficult job and will need all the support.

Support to the new manager, and actions against the owners is the recipe Liverpool needs. And be very careful in what hands end up the club when bought.

[Ben Patrick]

I wonder how long those who wanted Rafa out will give the next manager before they get on his back aswell?

Maybe 6 years like he has had ?

Or isnt that long enough ?

[neil]

I wonder how long those who wanted Rafa out will give the next manager before they get on his back aswell?

Maybe 6 years like he has had ?

Or isnt that long enough ?

what he said

[KennyisGod....still]

I wonder how long those who wanted Rafa out will give the next manager before they get on his back aswell?

Maybe 6 years like he has had ?

Or isnt that long enough ?

what are your expectations for the new manager Ben, and how long you prepared to give him? Rafa's first 3 seasons gave us the aforementioned (regularly!!) CL and FA cup successes, plus semi-finals and then last year a Prem challenge to within a coupla games of the end of the season. Obviously, evryone has their own opinions of how successful that is in comparison to other clubs, but not a disaster in the sphere of things. One serious challenge for the title probly aint good enough, I'd defy anyone to argue that. But what are your serious expectations, given the new guys startin point and squad?

[SouthCoastShankly]

I wonder how long those who wanted Rafa out will give the next manager before they get on his back aswell?

You're fuelling the argument.

According to the poll on here, more supporters wanted Rafa to go than stay.

That's not a judgement on the quality or loyalty of the supporter, it's an opinion. The pro-Rafa supporters here are no better a supporter than those who want him gone.

It's called an opinion.

[JohnBull]

FFS - I've seen some breast beating, flag waving, hand wringing in my time but this sentimental cr@p over Benitez is something else.
For the past two years we've been "lead" by owners and management who've had their own agendas and neither agenda has been for the betterment of LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB. There have been too much greed, too much ego, too much living off lucky past results.
It won't matter in the slightest who buys our club there will be restrictions on how much the new manager can spend. When the Yanks go the new owners won't be Scousers, there's no one with that kind of money. We will end up with Arabs or Indians or more Yanks or Chinese. Don't believe for one minute that these guys are going to do a Chelsea or Man City and SPEND SPEND SPEND.
We need a manager who will get on with what he's got, not what he wants.
FFS I wish I was on holiday in Sardinia and was being offered £3m to walk away from a failure.

[sparkycc]

To be honest this is a very bad time in our clubs history that we will not look back on with any dignity, i have supported this club for nearly 40 years and i know we all have opinions and have over the years had a few little arguments with mates etc about football, but what is happening to us is shamefull i know rafa has made mistakes i have banged my head against a wall at some decistions last season, but he deserves better than this, and the truth is he has had to work under proberley the worst owners of our club or most others in history, they are going to turn us over big time this is just the start you can see it a mile off divide and conquer.
our song remember it you never walk alone, we will be singing it in the championship the way we are going.

[Greavesie]

slate me all you like
the question still remains
why do you want him to stay?

read the thread mate, look atthe situation the club is in off the field. is it not obvious why people want him to stay?

[stmichael]

just heard jamie redknapp talking about rafa going. talk about clueless.

[Ola Mr Benitez]

just heard jamie redknapp talking about rafa going. talk about clueless.

yet he still probably knows more about the club and politics of football than you and I

[stmichael]

just heard jamie redknapp talking about rafa going. talk about clueless.

yet he still probably knows more about the club and politics of football than you and I

he actually said "it's a brave decision by the board to get rid of benitez".

you couldn't make this up.

[Igor Zidane]

Feckin deserve everything we get from here on in .Wonder if people will now concentrate there efforts on the owners and the directors . Or will yers be @rsed about who the next manager is and what budget he's got or not got . Wake up and smell the roses ffs. Absolutely gutted rafa's going , but that is not the issue . THE ISSUE IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE OWNERS.