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by **J*o*n*D*o*e** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:01 am

well if its true then i expect a statement from the club this morning, this might just be the final straw which brings people out on the streets to show the real villains in all of this that enough is enough.

by **Ciggy** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:03 am

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:well if its true then i expect a statement from the club this morning, this might just be the final straw which brings people out on the streets to show the real villains in all of this that enough is enough.

Breaking news on SSN he will leave within the next 48 hours :down:

by **burjennio** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:14 am

Good luck Rafa, no one in their right mind could work under those two 2-faced, backstabbing, lying thieving b*stards. Some misguided folk will think this is good for LFC, but its just the next step in the capitulation of a once great club as it is driven to the wall by these two American mercenaries.

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:14 am

couldnt sleep, feel sick

And that post you put up Cigg is what i truley believe in my heart , HEARTBREAKING

by **Owzat** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:14 am

NANNY RED wrote:
Ciggy wrote:I still cannot believe it because its just come out the blue, here I was watching Britains got talent, logged on the rattle and all hells broke lose, its going to be really feckin tasty tommorrow at Anfield, no more mr nice guys peacefull protests havent worked maybe this one will?

Sacking him whilst he's on holiday what a shithouse trick that is to pull

I DONT USEUALY USE WORDS LIKE THIS CIGG BUT THERLL BE LOTS OF WAN.KING GOING ON BY LOADS ON THIS FORUM TONIGHT , Well pull away lads and enjoy it will you can. because its the last bit of enjoyment yous are gonna be having for a long time,

AN I HOPE IT GETS FECKING NASTY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH NOW

You're winding yourself up, bar one or two posters who do actually seem to be keen on Rafa leaving, the bulk majority of the ballacks being trotted out on here tonight were from the pro-Rafa brigade who've grabbed their handbags and are looking to bash people with them.

Personally I am intrigued by developments as things ON THE PITCH have not gone in the right direction and while much of that is blamed on the owners as if the cause and effect relationship is provably existent, that is down to Rafa. He built the squad, he decided how to spend £40m last season and the season before, and he couldn't manage better than SEVENTH with a side containing the likes of Reina, Carra, Gerrard, Johnson, Agger, Kuyt, Mascherano, Torres and Benayoun.

But apparently it is the owner's fault we lost at Wigan, PORTSMOUTH, Sunderland (sure the goal shouldn't have stood, but we didn't even SCORE in the remaining 85 minutes), dismal away draws at Hull, Blackburn, Wolves, Brum, Stoke and typically dismal home draws against Brum and Fulham. You can't argue about spending restrictions there, it's not as if those sides spend more or are better than us.

I would agree we weren't as lucky last season as the season before, but principly because we were VERY LUCKY at times when we finished second. Not during the run in, but the first 10 games and with red cards going for us.

People talk about the financial situation hamstringing Rafa, but has it? He didn't have to sell Torres, Gerrard, Mascherano etc to raise funds, he did sell Alonso but that was partly his own fault trying to sell him the previous season, and he did bring in a £20m replacement - not to mention spending £17.5m on a RB. The way people talk about his lack of funds you'd think he had to sell 3-4 big names and bring in nothing but bosmans and third division standard players. We could all see we needed a back-up striker, but he decided his budget was better spent on a RB and a CM.

The main reason I wouldn't mind seeing a new manager is something has to change, and while many may bury their heads in the sand thinking new owners will come armed with magic wands, they won't change the way Rafa plays. I would guess after a season of Rafa football he will have played himself out of a job anyway, if they could afford to pay the price wanted by the yanks and have money to spare ie be an improvement, I'm sure they'd have money not to put up with the terrible tactics, man management etc of Rafa.

This club shouldn't be finishing SEVENTH, not even with the current owners. Too many excuses made for a poor show, the longest we went unbeaten in the league was a mere seven games. Fourth may have been a disappointment given the highs of last season, but would have been understandable, forgivable and excusable. Seventh is not

Changing the manager may come with no guarantee of improvements, but since we've barely improved since Rafa arrived, it is hardly like he's breaking new ground all the time. We were a top four side before Rafa arrived, we were until last season still a top four side. I think too many instantly jump on the "number five" bandwagon, sure that was a great night, but he can't live off that and another cup won on penalties that was clawed back from the brink too. Maybe it just shows a lot of people are governed by their emotions, ironic given Rafa rarely shows any.

The club is bigger than any one person involved in it. The only thing Rafa delivers much of these days is hot air, seems a lot of his supporters flatter by imitation

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:59 am

From TIA

Liverpool fans are planning a protest at Anfield on Thursday evening following the news that the club are attempting to force Rafa Benitez out of Anfield with a £3m pay off.

While supporters may be divided on their thoughts on Benitez himself, what they are united in is their hatred for owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

Supporters are now left with little confidence that the two Americans, who recently put the club up for sale, along with new chairman Martin Broughton, a lifelong Chelsea supporter and banker, will make the right decision.

There is also anger at the way the club have conducted themselves during the process, one again proving that Hicks and Gillett do NOT understand the Liverpool Way. Leaking stories to journalists when the manager is on holiday is not the way to conduct business.

There is also anger at the fee of £3m – less than what former chief executive Rick Parry, who was instrumental in selling to the Americans, received.

The protest will take place at 6pm at Anfield.

The message is clear, Gillett and Hicks are ruining OUR Football Club.

by **Ciggy** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:01 am

Still cant get my head around it, still cant believe it, its sureal and Im looking at the telly and its telling me to my face he is going within 48 hours, but it has still not sunk in.

by **shawnk** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:08 am

From the news I have read, it's actually £3 million up front, meaning not just £3 million. Just paying off over time.

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:13 am

Ciggy wrote:Still cant get my head around it, still cant believe it, its sureal and Im looking at the telly and its telling me to my face he is going within 48 hours, but it has still not sunk in.

I SNCERLY HOPE IN MY HEART cIGG that he tells them to feck off and holds out for his right payoff , take these bas.tards for every penny and then spills the beans straight away about whats been going on,

by **Homebooby** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:16 am

Madmax wrote:lets hope the replacement its a decent one... quite shocked with the news tbh.. Didn't see it comming.

I've kept quiet on this cos I didn't think it would go down well, but I think that what has been happening these last few weeks has been classic middle management. They wanted Rafa out, but couldn't afford it, so they make his life as miserable as possible so that he feels he has no choice but to leave. The summer funding was obviously the main dagger for them and I have often wondered if they had some cash available, but just were telling him that he had nothing to make it look like he had no hope of staying.

It leads to a position where the position is no longer tenable, where he is looking to leave and the board will agree, coming to a compromise in the payoff as he just wants to get out. Timelines are tight for Rafa to make a decision as he'll need time to get a new team up and running for the new season too. In that respect I am not too surprised, I am just amazed that the board has that level of nouse to pull this off.

I think the rumblings from the players has been simple manipulation from people on high. It's very easy to influence even the most dedicated and loyal person over a period. Once the doubt sinks in, so does the rot and that's where we are at the moment. Players want to win things first and foremost, secondly, I think most actually want to win them with Liverpool. Once convinced that Rafa won't take them there, their loyalty easily wavers.

As for Rafa. I personally think that history will view him as one of our heros. I think that over time the truth will come out and we'll all be stunned to learn of the situations/circumstances he has been required to work under. I think he has conducted himself v. well and has fought in the interest of the club, fans and players and as suffered in the end for it.

I think it is a great shame that it has to end this way, but I do welcome someone drawing a line under it so we can at least focus on a new season without legacy issues and hopefully send a message to any players coming in that the nonsense is over. Big ask I know, but you have to look at the positive.

I think most will be dismayed by the replacement choice, but my instinct tells me that long term he could prove to be the best back to basics option for us. It's gonna have to be someone who sees our current situation as a huge opportunity and that isn't going to be many 'big name' managers. I think it will be Hodgson myself, cos how far can he really take Fulham from where they currently are and what an opportunity for him.

One things for sure, this will be an interesting summer and season. I for one am looking forward to the boards picking up again and seeing us build ourselves up and up until noone can touch us ;-)

by **kazza** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:21 am

Ciggy wrote:
Owzat wrote:unless you think sacking the manager will increase the sale value of the club by more than his compensation

Apart from being told last night we are already in administration someone on RAWK posted this and to me it hits the nail the the head.

Quote from: Col on Today at 01:20:38 AM
The way I see it is this:

The Yanks are struggling to find a buyer at the price they want. They have a clear number in mind, in terms of profit from their dealings with LFC.

They took out loans from their own holding companies against the club, at 10% interest rate.

The only other way to make money from the club, is to recall those loans and all the interest. At the moment, it isn't doable because they've raped us so badly there's nothing left in the pot.

However, we do still have something which means we won't go into liquidation - saleable assets. Torres, Gerrard, Reina, Mascherano, Johnson, Agger, Aquilani, Benayoun... each player sold, will bring a better look to the cash flow situation at the club. If this is done repeatedly over the summer, it'll start to stockpile. The club will be cash-rich, but asset-poor.

If the club is cash-rich, the horrible, odious, thieving rapist Yank can recall the loans and make money from the club.

I do think it's their intention to leave before the year is out - I just think they plan on driving us completely into the ground first, stripping away every single saleable asset in their quest for blood money.

The only person who can stop this from happening this summer is the one person who is contracted to have the last say on all transfers - Rafa Benitez. They need to remove him in order for the wheels to start turning. Hence, a £3m outlay is miniscule, in comparison to what they hope to achieve afterwards, should it be accepted.

Right now, the only person who can stop these leeches from succeeding and setting our club back another 20 years, is the man in charge. He's a dignified man, and certainly no quitter. He's been offered many a way out over the past few years, but he's stuck to his guns. I firmly believe he's done that for the fans, and because he respects the proud tradition of the club.

I honestly couldn't blame him if he walked away. He could leave now, with his head held high and would be respected by all for the job he's done here, the European nights, the trophies, and the way he's staved off the cancer for so long.

If he's still here at the start of next season, then make no odds about it, the man is a hero. In fact, beyond that, he will be a martyr. He will be letting his personal stock fall, by managing a team with fewer resources than ANY of those he's 'expected' to challenge with, operating at a massive loss, selling players to stay in existence... and if it happens, he'll be doing it simply because he understands the repercussions of him walking away.

In reality, he's been doing the very same for the last 2 years.

I only pray that he'll do it for at least one more.

Rafa Benitez, PLEASE tell them to feck right off.

Good post! Worrying times ahead. I watched on Skynews where they said Liverpool are sacking Rafa to be replaced by a cheaper option. That post seems to spell out the worst possible scenario.

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:21 am

An how does anyone feel about Alex McCleish . according to David Fairclogh

by **Ciggy** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:27 am

NANNY RED wrote:An how does anyone feel about Alex McCleish . according to David Fairclogh

He was a feckin embarressment him, we dont need much money we can sell players to buy some, please p!ss off !!!!
What planet was he on?

by **83-1275364913** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:32 am

Ciggy wrote:Still cant get my head around it, still cant believe it, its sureal and Im looking at the telly and its telling me to my face he is going within 48 hours, but it has still not sunk in.

don't be so soft lash it ain't end of world it was gonna happen at some point the owners will be gone as well soon and if not we keep :censored:

aving a go at em till they fook right off.

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:32 am

Ciggy wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:An how does anyone feel about Alex McCleish . according to David Fairclogh

He was a feckin embarressment him, we dont need much money we can sell players to buy some, please p!ss off !!!!
What planet was he on?

Unbeleivable from him there , gone right down in my estimation , after that,

Do you know what Cigg im hoping this 48 hours will be enough for him to tell them to fu.ck off , after he sees the support of the protest , Stays and fights against these two with us,

Just hang on Rafa lad . wait till tonight after 6 to make any decision on what there offering. Stay and fight them yanks with us,

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