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lakes10 wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:Looks like he's staying now i think . So i would recomend that or more over critical  anti rafa taliban get used to the idea . This is not a dig at the lads who have aired there grievences against rafa in a proper way ,with good argement and debate that is . It's a big dig at the muppets who are making this a far to personal issue for there own health . Chill , count to ten and relax . Rafa is going to be here for another season atleast be the looks of it , so for our friends who like to work themselves into a larther .It's going to be a very long summer and a very long season ,get yor heads around it now and you will feel alot better about things . NOw CONCENTRATE ON GETTING RID OF OUR OWNERS INSTEAD.

hate to say it mate but the owners will go in their own time, the only thing that will rush them is loss of profit in any sale of the club.

I heard a few lads talking the other night about putting £100 each into buying the club. I tried to tell that that we would need around 1 billion in the firts year to buy the club and to run it....they seem to think all they need is 400 mil.

Ben Patrick wrote:

stmichael wrote:The thing is it's all very well saying Rafa should be replaced but whoever comes in as a potential replacement will also have their own faults. Ok you might get a manager in who is warmer to the players, able to motivate them better and put an arm around them when needed but that's just 1 side of the equation.

You also have to make sure that you get a manager who is tactically better or the equal of Rafa, who has the capability of making a team/squad punch above their weight (because that's the expectation from the supporters) and who is able to provide an almost perfect balance in the transfer window, as they won't be able to afford any mistakes.

Easier said than done.

Is this the same tactical genius that has played Ngog on his own upfront for three quarters of last season isolating Gerrard ?

Sir Roger wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:From what i have heard on Five live Rafa has come out and said he is staying and anything that has been said in the press over the last weeks and months about him and other clubs has been nothing but pure specualtion by the press and he hasnt spoken to anyone else because he wants to ay at Liverpool . Now that is from the horses mouth no speculation at all .

"Liverpool has averaged 69 points in the last 12 seasons.
We made a huge mistake, as we won four titles at the start. Then people ask you for more, when in reality in the Premier League it's assumed that at the start a coach needs time to adapt. (Manchester United manager Sir Alex) Ferguson took seven years to win the Premier League."

Lets hope he didnt say this then because thats one cringey, embarrassing statement...

bigmick wrote:

Reg wrote:

kazza wrote:I went to a fight and a football discussion broke out.

Not in here mate.

Makes Baghdad look good for yer summer hol-ies this place....

Totally agree. As you walk in the door you have to step over wrist slashers, stalkers and nutters before you've even debated anything.

If you think we've got a good team who could potentially visit the dizzy hieghts of somewhere higher than seventh, they train their machine guns on you and try and shoot you down. So negative are they that are never happier than if they are wollowing in an abyss of "this is the best we can hope for, things are going to get worse".

I should think Beirut may actually seem uplifting by comparison now I think about it. At least there people are allowed to hope for better things without anybody shooting at them for it.

shawnk wrote:A good funny quote taken from other website:

"oh lord help us, cos 'in rafa we trust' should turn to 'in rafa we will rust, in rafa we are dross, in rafa the players don't give a toss, in rafa the fans are at a loss, in rafa, let's make a fuss, cos we will fail, we'll wail but to no avail cos in rafa (especially in the league) we'll rust"



 

parchpea wrote:He would take the Madrid job in heartbeat and is clearly pretty peeved at the thought of Mourhino being offered the post before him. Benitez likes to talk a lot when its about him or other managers but never gives the media anything about his teams performances on the park.Hes an odd one thats for sure but you get the impression that everything he does say is calculated. I just cant see him being given the chance in Madrid though so he will be better off putting his disappointment aside and working overtime to fix the trodden on and busted up subbeto team he put out on the park last year.

Yes, because he was strapped down with a gun to his head the last 3 times Real came sniffing...

Give your head a dusting, mate.

bigmick wrote:It really is extremely unusual for a manager to get involved in another clubs decision about their new boss in the way Rafa did with Mourinho and Real Madrid, very strange indeed. I would have thought that seeing as Rafa has obviously pencilled in the Madrid job for himself at some point in his career, Mourinho going there now while they aren't that great and Barca are so dominant would have been his ideal scenario. The last thing he would need is following a manager who has been mega successful after all, the questions might be asked if he plummetted Madrid down to seventh in La Liga after six seasons of rebuilding.

Could it be that he is a bit wary that perhaps Mourinho will go in there and do a good job? Surely it's not possible for any manager to usurp Barcelona in their current pomp is it?

Rafa gets stranger and stranger as he gets older. Why is he comm enting on such matters, and how would the Liverpool fans react if Mourinho had said "Benitez isn't the right manager for Liverpool"? It beggars belief really.

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Sir Roger wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

Sir Roger wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

bigmick wrote:It really is extremely unusual for a manager to get involved in another clubs decision about their new boss in the way Rafa did with Mourinho and Real Madrid, very strange indeed. I would have thought that seeing as Rafa has obviously pencilled in the Madrid job for himself at some point in his career, Mourinho going there now while they aren't that great and Barca are so dominant would have been his ideal scenario. The last thing he would need is following a manager who has been mega successful after all, the questions might be asked if he plummetted Madrid down to seventh in La Liga after six seasons of rebuilding.

Could it be that he is a bit wary that perhaps Mourinho will go in there and do a good job? Surely it's not possible for any manager to usurp Barcelona in their current pomp is it?

Rafa gets stranger and stranger as he gets older. Why is he comm enting on such matters, and how would the Liverpool fans react if Mourinho had said "Benitez isn't the right manager for Liverpool"? It beggars belief really.

Rafa Benitez has ONE bad season and comes 7th in the league admidst possibly the worst run board in the top tier and yet you either want to rewrite history, or want to omit his past achievements altogether? Short memory? Alzheimers setting in? F*ck knows.

Alternatively you could say hes had one GOOD season...?

Hardly. Rafa Benitez hasn't just managed LFC in his career, you know. One good season? You'd have to be a right clueless eejit to even state that.

My point is it depends what you think of as bad or good.
Pro-Rafa will say hes had one BAD season because we didnt qualify for the CL
Others might conclude that the only thing of worth hes won is the CL in 2005. This was due to a miracle.
The rest of the time we have not been very GOOD because we havent won anything else besides a scrappy fa cup against sh'itty west ham.
Coming 2nd 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th or seventh in the league or getting knocked out of domestic and European cups or being runners up in the CL can be described as BAD by some...

Had we not beaten Man Scum and Moris' Sh*tki on the way to that final, I may have be inclined to agree with you. (Not to mention the 0-7 away to Birmingham.)

You silly girl.

Someone was busy yesterday!
I think we need fans like you who see it in black and white. Everything clear and simple: Rafa, good-anyone who questions Rafa, bad. Keep it up because you do lighten the mood with your "opinions".
You are the LFC equivalent of that daft tw@t who follows Portsmouth...

Tricky Dicky wrote:With the season we've had I'm not surprised to see as many fans as there are wanting a change in manager. The BIG problem is of course our owners though as they've stripped the club of its dignity amongst many other facets that characterized Liverpool FC.

Now it appears Rafa will be here next season (as I thought he would be) and the conditions he has and is, working under have patently been to the detriment of the team in my opinion. I think that he has become so embroiled within the politics of the club that his head isn't where it should be at.... Football. The dour mentality from the top has had a negative impact throughout the club and has filtered its way down through to the team. Many people are grateful to him "for showing us what the Yanks are really all about", but I can't help but think Rafa's job is to soley manage the team more so than become an SOS advocate. No matter what he, me, you are anyone else thinks about the Yanks there is very little we can all do about it. They are the owners, they own the club for better or for worse but I think it is time (now that Rafa is staying on) for him to get his head down and prove he is a world class manager. There is little point playing down Mourinho's, Mancini's, Wenger's, Ancellotti's and Fergie's achievements because they've all got (or had) money to spend. If some of us realise that Rafa cannot win anything without the aid of a little finacial backing. He can't (and that is football, money makes it easier) and personally I've never expected the manager to go out and win everything with a small budget. Although earlier on in his LFC career Rafa did have adequate funds to spend (let's not forget that either) but as of now the coffers have dried up. Rafa now knows under these circumstances what he's got to work with (or not as the case maybe) therefore he MUST just get on with his job next season without ruffling the feathers. He's done his work, he's shown us what the Yanks are about, he's ruffled feathers but to the extent in which he has like I said has been to the detriment of the football team. Bill Shankly said that directors are only at the club to sign off for the cheques; however managers are only at the club to win football matches. And even with the side we have and without the funds we have to match our rivals, we are a bit better than 7th I feel. We can chalk it off to a bad season but Rafa's got to pull his finger out now and get on with the arduous task of pushing us further than 7th. Our football, team selections, tactics have all got to be improved upon and whether Rafa is the right man to do this, well, personally, I have my doubts.

Besides the obvious flaws in your argument with regards to money hes had you make some good points
Firstly his job is to manage. I understand his frustration at not getting his own way, and Im not for one minute defending those cu'nts. But Rafa and we would be best served if he contratrated on getting the team he has bought to play better and win games. If he is attempting to beat the yanks by trying to win the hearts and minds of the fans then he should be showing that he is as good as others say he is and put out a team which beats sh'ite consitently and challenges for the title right up until May. As it is he has severly damaged himself in a good many supporters eyes by playing the victim and not taking care of business on the pitch.

Secondly, as Ive said many times before on here there is something we can do about getting the yanks out.
Stop going the match. Start by standing outside Anfield for 10 minutes after kick off then going in. Then stand outside for 20 minutes and then go in. etc.etc
Eventually they will get the message

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:He's staying build yourself a five skinner   

Rhazally wrote:With Rafa on board, we will again be going to fight for the 6/7th place next year...Mark my words....
His excuse is that the team does not play to the level and that he has insufficient funds!!!!! SORRY RAFA....
Who bought the players - Johnson, Insua, Babel, Aurelio, Riera, Mascherano, Lucas, Ngog, Voronin, Kyrgiakos, Skrtel,Degen.... It's YOU... Who trains them??? It's YOU...
If they do not play well, that means YOU ARE NOT GOOD!!!!

Insufficient Funds!!! It's a joke... 25m for Mascherano, 12 for Babel, 18 for Johnson, >35 for Torres, 10 for Crouch, 20 for Aquilani, plus many others.....

This proves  that Rafa DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO BUY!!!!!!!!

Lando_Griffin wrote:

bigmick wrote:

Reg wrote:

kazza wrote:I went to a fight and a football discussion broke out.

Not in here mate.

Makes Baghdad look good for yer summer hol-ies this place....

Totally agree. As you walk in the door you have to step over wrist slashers, stalkers and nutters before you've even debated anything.

If you think we've got a good team who could potentially visit the dizzy hieghts of somewhere higher than seventh, they train their machine guns on you and try and shoot you down. So negative are they that are never happier than if they are wollowing in an abyss of "this is the best we can hope for, things are going to get worse".

I should think Beirut may actually seem uplifting by comparison now I think about it. At least there people are allowed to hope for better things without anybody shooting at them for it.