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[only me]

Anybody know what the following  names all have in common :
David Villa
Sergio Aguero
James Milner
Aarron  Ramsey
Daniel Alves
Diego Milito
Gabriel Milito
Jesus Navas
Theo Walcott
Sergio Ramos
All players who at the time where unknown quantities ,so where considered too greater risk for the Liverpool board ,I surely don't need to remind people of their standing in world football now ................... people talk about having an eye for a player and how easy it can be when your allowed the finance to procure the very best ..........Well  Benitez hasn't been afforded the trust or the backing to do neither , and when on that very rare occasion he is allowed to do so the quality we have bought speaks volumes ....
Torres
Mascherano
Alonso
Agger
All top drawer players bought by Benitez when his hands weren't forced into the bargain bin 

Add Simao and Vidic to that list too. Spot on though, I find it funny that people are critical of Rafa's transfer record when most of the time he has had to shop at bottom of the pile. It's gotten so bad that over the last few years there are at least 2 to 3 freebie players in the squad too. Voronin, Degan, kyrgiakos... and now this Jovanovich.

And people wonder why we have slipped behind the rest. 

David Luiz is another Bav, countless players earmarked by Benitez only for a club who are not afraid to trust their manager  snatch them away ...... so sad  really    he must be one frustrated man   

You think coming with a make shift list which you have no proof was ever asked/requested/demanded by Rafa would cover for his multi years FckUps picking players and throwing our money away?

Did the board also make him sell Bellamy and Crouch and Riera? make him buy in injured Italian and by that gambling on our whole season? buying Keane? Keeping Babel/Lucas? give us a break don't talk on what someone wrote or mentioned in the papers ,talk about the facts the hard stinking facts that 5 years after we have no prospect no backbone of players we can ride on to the future ,it is all Rafa lousy/poor player selection ,player managment skills.

Rafa can't be trusted to make good use of the limited amount of money we have to spend to take us out of the mess...a mess he created.

[kawaton]

Benitez hates Maureen, that much is obvious.
Maureen has taken Inter to successive La Liga titles, and potentially the CL.

If Benitez took over at Inter, not only would he be accepting a position that is effectively Maureen's cast off, but he has a bloody big task to follow those achievements.

Rafa wouldn't take the risk of coming second best to maureen.
He cares too much about his own pride.

When has Rafa publicly stated he hates Mourinho?

I don't believe he has, and i don't believe i said he did,

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Did the board also make him sell Bellamy and Crouch and Riera? make him buy in injured Italian and by that gambling on our whole season? buying Keane? Keeping Babel/Lucas? give us a break don't talk on what someone wrote or mentioned in the papers ,talk about the facts the hard stinking facts that 5 years after we have no prospect no backbone of players we can ride on to the future ,it is all Rafa lousy/poor player selection ,player managment skills.

Rafa can't be trusted to make good use of the limited amount of money we have to spend to take us out of the mess...a mess he created.

"A mess he created ",you are seriously deluded if you think our current predicament is solely the fault of the manager ,but then lets be as close to the truth as possible you seem to swallow all the conjecture and speculation the media makes you ingest on a daily basis ,well congratulations they have succeeded in making your monotonous pleas for the managers removal sound as ridiculously obsessive as their own .....

Look by all means  you should continue your crusade but next time if I could politely ask if you could  refrain from replying to my posts because we are at completely  different sides of the coin ..... also while were on the subject of grasping the truth ,maybe you should start to get used to Rafa being here for the foreseeable .............
Just a thought like   feel free to take it on board Im sure if you give it serious deliberation you shouldn't find it too tasking there's a good chap   

Btw as far as I am aware we haven't sold Riera yet ,and its not like you to jump the gun 

[Sir Roger]

Did the board also make him sell Bellamy and Crouch and Riera? make him buy in injured Italian and by that gambling on our whole season? buying Keane? Keeping Babel/Lucas? give us a break don't talk on what someone wrote or mentioned in the papers ,talk about the facts the hard stinking facts that 5 years after we have no prospect no backbone of players we can ride on to the future ,it is all Rafa lousy/poor player selection ,player managment skills.

Rafa can't be trusted to make good use of the limited amount of money we have to spend to take us out of the mess...a mess he created.

"A mess he created ",you are seriously deluded if you think our current predicament is solely the fault of the manager ,but then lets be as close to the truth as possible you seem to swallow all the conjecture and speculation the media makes you ingest on a daily basis ,well congratulations they have succeeded in making your monotonous pleas for the managers removal sound as ridiculously obsessive as their own .....

Look by all means  you should continue your crusade but next time if I could politely ask if you could  refrain from replying to my posts because we are at completely  different sides of the coin ..... also while were on the subject of grasping the truth ,maybe you should start to get used to Rafa being here for the foreseeable .............
Just a thought like   feel free to take it on board Im sure if you give it serious deliberation you shouldn't find it too tasking there's a good chap   

Btw as far as I am aware we haven't sold Riera yet ,and its not like you to jump the gun 

Some people seem intent on exonerating Rafa from any responsibility or blame for the curent situation making out that he is the victim in all of this because of twit and tw@t. The theory is that he has been working with his hands tied behind his back which has stopped him functioning and being the manager he could be if he was given free reign.
Utter Fu*king bullsh'it. Whether people want him to stay or go there is something that is beyond doubt. He has had plenty of money and complete power over the squad since hes been here. Its his team, his tactics, his formations. He calls the shots as far as the players are concerned. To use any and every excuse to deflect, spin and defend Rafa doesnt do him or us any good whatsover.

[SeaofRed]

Rafa asked for Vidic and Evra and Rick Parry put these transfers off until he returned from his holiday, by the time he had returned both had agreed terms with Manchester United and were due for medicals. If that's support from the board, then I am baffled.

[Sir Roger]

Rafa asked for Vidic and Evra and Rick Parry put these transfers off until he returned from his holiday, by the time he had returned both had agreed terms with Manchester United and were due for medicals. If that's support from the board, then I am baffled.

Parry was and is a pr'ick of the highest order. A talentless, clueless, greedy imposter who sold us down the river for a few dollars more. Rafa was right about him

[parchpea]

Rafa sings his heart out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exSD7rHVI4U&feature=related

[neil]

look the football is god awful, same as the results, its been embarrassing to sit through, Parry may be a pl3b but he isnt responsible for the shocking performances we witness week in week out regardless of what the brain d**d would have us believe.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

look the football is god awful, same as the results, its been embarrassing to sit through, Parry may be a pl3b but he isnt responsible for the shocking performances we witness week in week out regardless of what the brain d**d would have us believe.

Have a spliff kidder and chill ... its not worth the hassle
He's staying build yourself a five skinner   

[NANNY RED]

Rafa asked for Vidic and Evra and Rick Parry put these transfers off until he returned from his holiday, by the time he had returned both had agreed terms with Manchester United and were due for medicals. If that's support from the board, then I am baffled.

Oh youve left a certain David Silva off that list , yes i know im going on about it but youve been told yes go get him and when a deal has been agreed and youve seen off the money of Madrid only to have it taken away from you at the eleventh hour and told , no deal .no money so get your ar.se back empty handed , T.wats

[NANNY RED]

Nice one lad.

Soccer AM yesterday morning

Yanks for nothing
Rafa's not to blame, say Kidulthood actor

Clarke: multi-talented star

I was young and he was just Johnny Barnes! I just ended up following him when he went to Liverpool and then I stuck with it.
Noel Clarke
Quotes of the week
Actor Noel Clarke has come out in support of Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez, despite the club's disappointing campaign.



The Reds boss has come under increasing pressure in recent months after the Merseysiders failed to secure a top four finish in the Premier League this season.


And while rumours regarding his future continue to dominate the backpages, Clarke was adamant that the club's American co-owner's George Gillett and Tom Hicks were to blame for the team's failures on the pitch.


"I think it's best we don't talk about this!" he told Soccer AM. "I will say this though, I don't blame Benitez I blame the Yanks.


"It all comes from there. If (Benitez) was given the money to buy a couple more then... it's a confidence game isn't it.


"If they had the confidence like last season you know... I mean they got the highest amount of points that didn't win a championship.


"I don't blame you Rafa! I blame the Yanks!"

Allegiances


The BAFTA award winning star is best known for his roles in the films Kidulthood as well as its sequel Adulthood, which he wrote, directed and starred in.


Born in West London, Clarke admitted he grew up supporting Queen Park Rangers but changed allegiances following the emergence of Liverpool legend John Barnes.


"When I was a kid in Shepherds Bush/Ladbroke Grove, we used to get free tickets to QPR all the time and I used to go there quite a bit, and I was big fan... but then Johnny Barnes!


"I was young and he was just Johnny Barnes! I just ended up following him when he went to Liverpool and then I stuck with it."


The 34-year-old, who received BAFTA's Orange Rising Star Award in 2009, will be hoping to add to his growing reputation with the release of 4,3,2,1.

Arsenal


The film which stars Julia Roberts' niece Emma, is expected to be a big hit, but he admitted there were certain aspects of it which he didn't like... namely the scenes with an Arsenal shirt on the wall!


"The girls had to do character questionnaires about what their characters were like," he explained. "And Tamzin (Egerton), who plays Cassandra, decided her character was an Arsenal fan so I was forced to put it up on the wall!


"Curse those questionnaires! They're never getting a choice again!"

[ConnO'var]

Stay or goes..... I couldn't be @rsed right now..... What worries me is that the uncertainty will delay our plans for next season and we could very well end up in sh!te yet again.

Sort it out you mongrels.... we need stability and certainty to make a fist of it in the coming season.... especially with the emergence of Citeh and Spurs..... we cannot afford to get left behind.

I'm pretty much of the same mind mate but I can't see it happening. I strongly suspect our summer will go like this:

- The owners will not be able to sell the club at the price they are asking. They will dig their heels still believing they can turn a £300 million profit. Kun.....t.....s.

- The speculation on Gerrard and Torres will grow and grow dugin the World Cup.

- Both players will wait to see if the club will have some money to spend this summer. They will both be disapointed.

- Third time lucky for Mourinho as Gerrard leaves for Real Madrid.

- Disillusioned Torres will follow suit.

- We're completely fu....c....k....e.....d

I've got absolutely no hope

Sorry.

My heart says it won't happen Scott...... but my head thinks that what you've said has a more than fair chance of happening.... and if it does, we are utterly stuffed.

[Lando_Griffin]

Only a plonker would be daft enough to support the biggest load of shyte EVER served up at Anfield in the name of football.

Lol this forum is beyond a joke now.

As is the Shyte being churned out by Rafa 

I'll tell you what, friend: Any team a div like you leads is right up sh*t street. You're absolutely LOVING this, aren't you?

You pathetic weasel.

Pathetic weasel!     

A bit emotional there aren't we! or is your panty girdle just riding up a bit daisy?

Be honest with yourself; We are going nowhere under Rafa.
His self obsessed personality will always mean its going to be 1 step forward and 2 steps back.
Do you really think that hoping w can improve enough to regain a top 4 spot after 6 years is acceptable?
All the excuses under the sun don't wash away the fact that we have been turned into the most negative, boring and clueless outfit ever seen at Anfield
That's down to the manager!
ffs Even the relegated clubs churned out more attractive and better balanced performances than us for most of last season!

Maybe you should realise that the rest of us already know that there's fkn turmoil going on behind the scenes.
But that's not an excuse for the mess the managers made of the team 

Ok - I'll be honest. You're all a bunch of quitters who squeal like piggies whenever things don't go your way.

I'll also be honest and say that a lot of you hate Rafa because he's not British, not loved by the media and not on the tele advertising L'Oreal. He doesn't stamp his feet when things go wrong, and he doesn't pump his hands like a tw*t when we score.

He's reserved, calm, thoughtful and reflective. You lot can't relate to that, because even when we draw to go top, you reach for the razor blades. You're all emotive, angry prats who spit the dummy out when the slightest thing goes wrong.

"Yeah, well, we won - so what? We played sh*t."

- The best of it is, the ones spouting this tripe are the ones who want the "Man-management-marvel, Maudlin Moris" to come here, bore us to tears with his "I'll have a central midfielder as defensive midfielder, a central midfielder as attacking midfielder, a central midfielder as left-sided midfielder, and a central midfielder as right-sided midfielder" diamond, and win the Carling Cup, before f*cking off to some other club thick enough to procure his "services" for an extortionate amount. Low and behold, we're left up the creek with a team that cost £900m the season before, but is now averaging 87 years of age and totally worthless.

So there - I've been honest. You don't like Rafa because you're too thick to understand him.
Conversely, that's the reason why you all love Moris so much you wet yourselves whenever he's on the box.

[Lando_Griffin]

Question to all the antis. What exactly do you hope to acheive by this continuous moaning about how Rafa is not the right man for the job?

I realise as fans everyone is entitled to an opinion but most of you spent pretty much all of last season ramming it down our throat. The season is over and we are soon going to be headed into a new one with probably the same manager. Are you going to continue with this nonsense waiting to say 'I told you so' or are you going to put that aside and get behind the manager.

And Mick you say this place is devoid of football talk? Is that a joke mate? No one wants to talk football here these days because it's all anti rafa rafa rafa. It's boring mate, leave it alone now.

Mods can you just lock this topic and shut down any newley created Rafa topics until the world cup starts? I don't think anyone is gaining anything from this thread except a headache.

question to all the 'pros'. what exactly do you hope to achieve by this continuous affirmation about how rafa is the right man for the job?

and a bonus question. why exactly is it that the 'pros' always feel so hard done by?

Why should those who choose to support the manager be subjected to constant belittlement by those who do not?

For me, anyone who constantly has a pop at the gaffer or any of the players should just f*ck off. The way people on here go on about him, you'd think Rafa had broken into their houses and shat on their children's heads.

You'd think Kuyt had eaten all their Rice Crispies and raped their cat.

You'd be led to believe that Lucas had tupped their wives and shaved their eyebrows off whilst they slept.

What is the difference between a red calling our manager (who has shown nothing but loyalty and pride for us) a "fat Spanish waiter", "Manuel", "disturbed", "idiot", etc, etc, and a dirty mongrel Manc?

It's worse, because Liverpool fans are meant to be different, and that's why I treat those "fans" with as much contempt as possible.

Oh, and so you don't cry about it: To show our support for the manager of the team we all love.

THAT'S what we hope to achieve - to stand up in the face (or on the screen) of scumbags who have the loyalties of a 2-bob hooker.

[Lando_Griffin]

Good point and sums up how fustrated we are but it's nothing new and it's not going to change anything by carrying on singing the same song.

and whats the sam song mate, al we have heard this year is about bad owners and a bad manager......lets face it, the club is in a very bad way.

in games other teams knw how we are going to play, they know when we are going to make sub, they know that if they come at us hey have a good chance, they know if its still 10 to us in the 80th theres a good chance they will make it 1-1.
the manager has taken 103 players to the club 59 of them with the idea they are going to make the first team....yet not many have made it, that also needs to be looked into.

if Rafa stays at the club then he needs more help in buying the right type of players for the club.

You're including the kids who were here from the age of 6-10 there when they started - you do know that, don't you? You also know that every club signs kids up like confetti in case they make the grade?

59 is b*llocks, btw - it's 36, as I said before.