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by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed May 19, 2010 1:20 am

s@int wrote:
dawson99 wrote:LAkes, maybe it'd help if you had a quote.
where has anyone actually been quoted as saying anything?

Benitez’s agent was spotted in meeting with Juve’s chairman Jean Claude Blanc, and was forced to admit to the press “I have met (Juventus chairman) Jean Claude Blanc, even if I was in Italy for other affairs,” said Manuel Garcia Quillon.

Who else does Rafa's agent represent? Could it be that he was meeting him in relation to a player?

Besides - he's entitled to meet whomever he wishes - the pair of c*nts didn't hesitate in tapping up Klinsmann...

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed May 19, 2010 1:37 am

lakes10 wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
s@int wrote:

Why would you think he is a "nice guy" when he falls out with everyone that says no to him, and anyone that criticises him too!

I think most would do the same thing if they were expected to challenge for the league with the budget we have had each summer.

No he doesn't, he just demanded more money than we could afford, but unfortunately for him we are now in such massive debt that he has been forced to try to manage without money and has failed miserably.

Actually all he asked for was the usual 25Mil he got each summer plus whatever he made back from sales. Not really a lot is it considering Utd spent 30Mil on 1 player. At the end of the day the owners said yes to him when negotiating his contract and they didn't deliver their end. He is entitled to feel aggrieved.

Then signs a contract that gives him a fortune within 48 hours of leaving. (presumably he only put that bit in because he loves us so much )

In todays game that is normal. Any manager at the top level has compensation written into his contract. Would you really imagine he would have singed his contract with out any personal protection?

Please even Houllier got 12mil when he left.

I don't hate Rafa and I am not blind to what the owners have done, BUT I am also not blind to what Rafa has failed to do either.

Right but we are in the situation where we need new players. We wont get new players unless we get more money. We won't get more money unless we get new owners. Current manager or otherwise that situation does not change, and if you think the current squad is good enough then why are some of our best players saying we need better players? Rafa has made mistakes but to focus on him so much is out of order.

It seems our top players want to leave BECAUSE of Rafa, and like many that support Rafa your expectations have become so limited that you really believe we would struggle to find a top new manager.

Based on what a couple of bull. rumors from RAWK or TLW?

Bav mate you got to stop using budget when you talk about Rafa, The cuy has had over 250mil to spend on players and still has not been able to build a team that has won anything in 4 years.

you posted yourself for him to leave the club....why change your mind now?

But was he given it all in 1 go? Or in chunks of 100Mil? No he was given in it dribs and drabs meaning we could never afford to buy 2 20Mil players in 1 transfer window. You all keep looking at the total amount but what has his net spend been on average each season?

soory mate but it just dont stand up, he has taken 59 to 77 players to this club, if he wanted to buy better players then he should have taken less and picked better players to buy.

Your argument is water tight. 59-77? Is it 60? Or maybe 72?

its up to you if you cint the young kids or just the main ones, 59 main.

it dont matter even if it was only 50 ...its still too many to to have buill a better team with.

it dont matter what you say the fact that we have no won anything for 4 years and we ended up 7th this years says it all.

Sadly, you're incorrect.

Rafa has bought 36 "first teamers" through in 5 seasons - that's an average of 7 per season. Bearing in mind the fact that he has had to replace virtually an entire squad, that's not a high figure and I would guess it compares favourably to most clubs without an established, successful team in place.

The rest were kids bought in to overhaul the shocking academy - and I would guess that a fair few are worth more now than when we bought them. Some are even featuring in the first team. (Mind you - I must be imagining that, right? Rafa hates youth, dontcha know...)
(Oh, and a couple of Youth FA Cups on the way, too.)

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Wed May 19, 2010 3:54 am

I have to say hand on heart,after 6yrs of posting , that never at any time has this forums population been so dependant on one subject ,at a time when it is essential we join together and oppose the current regime ,we are literally scrapping like kids in the schoolyard over the Manager .....

I think its time to cease acting like @rseholes ,because lets face facts we are never going to concur

we both hold differing opinions on the managerial situation ,can we just not put it to oneside

because the sheer amount of sarcastic barbs and scathing abuse is weighing this forum down ,lets respect each others views not browbeat people into accepting yours ,I can remember the end of Houlliers tenure at Anfield and although it was pretty unanimous that he should leave ,the posters who felt he should be given more time were treated with a hell of a lot more respect

by **J*o*n*D*o*e** » Wed May 19, 2010 6:59 am

i agree Red, we all need to get our priorities right, if your on a ship and its going off course but there is a hole aswell and its letting in water fast which problem do you tend too first.

you only have to look at Leeds to see what debt can do to a club. lets let the club deal with the managerial side of things, we need to all come together and get these leeches out of our club, H&G are the real enemy in all of this.

by **kazza** » Wed May 19, 2010 7:44 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
bigmick wrote:It would make interesting viewing if Benitez did end up going to Inter (he won't). Then you'd get a good look at how he compares to their previous managers (it's increasingly looking like he or anyone else might have a fairly difficult act to follow this season).It would be even more interesting if we swapped managers with them to get a direct comparison (we won't).

No, those who say we are stuck with him are on the money. The worse part about it is, even Benitez won't make as much of a nonsense of it next season as he has this. I expect us to have a bigger gap than 13 points to Blackburn at the end of next season, and be more than two points ahead of Everton. We might even jump a place or two in the league (I don't think we'll get in the top four though), which will cause the apologists and real fans to spout off for months about "progress".

Perhaps that was the cunning plan, nosedive us into oblivion which enables you to "improve" us over the next couple of years. In another couple of seasons we'll be back challenging for the top four, and by then the faithful will be singing "Montse is a scouser, Montse is a scouser, Nah nah nah nah, OOOOh". Let's see, another couple of seasons on from now, feck me I can see another five year plan looming on the horizon .

You really are a bitter prat, aren't you?

I would love to know why people think you're a good poster - you've been consistently sh*te for months.

Even the "Fat Spanish Waiter" managed to "muddle a performance together" more often than you've hit the target with your "observations" this season...

I agree. Cynical , bitter and completely full of sh1t yet people for fear of being kicked out of the "club" will reply with "spot on". I think he hides behind "I am only trying to wind up the wrist slashers and stalkers" but he really cannot help himself, this is the bitter person he is. Sad really!

Well happily I am not in the "club" and i see things for their merit and call a spade a spade and since he shovels so much cr@p he must be a spade :laugh:

No matter what the manager may do, Micks little "words of wisdom" always seem to involve snide little attacks on the manager and anyone supporting the club (and apparently the good work that the managers wife does for charities as well).

Bitter, sad loser (and that is being nice)

by **kazza** » Wed May 19, 2010 7:51 am

Thing is, we hear Rafa is leaving every year. So far it has all been a load of w@nk, and this season has been no exception. He is going nowhere, so get over it people. Lakes, you have as much insight and speak as much truth as Welsh Wizard but at least he was on a wind up and was funny. You are probably shooting around 15%, if you just tossed a coin it would be closer to 50%

My suggestion, change tact.

by **teamleader1** » Wed May 19, 2010 7:56 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
teamleader1 wrote:
mart wrote:
teamleader1 wrote:Only a plonker would be daft enough to support the biggest load of shyte EVER served up at Anfield in the name of football.

Lol this forum is beyond a joke now.

As is the Shyte being churned out by Rafa

I'll tell you what, friend: Any team a div like you leads is right up sh*t street. You're absolutely LOVING this, aren't you?

You pathetic weasel.

Pathetic weasel!

A bit emotional there aren't we! or is your panty girdle just riding up a bit daisy?

Be honest with yourself; We are going nowhere under Rafa.
His self obsessed personality will always mean its going to be 1 step forward and 2 steps back.
Do you really think that hoping w can improve enough to regain a top 4 spot after 6 years is acceptable?
All the excuses under the sun don't wash away the fact that we have been turned into the most negative, boring and clueless outfit ever seen at Anfield
That's down to the manager!
ffs Even the relegated clubs churned out more attractive and better balanced performances than us for most of last season!

Maybe you should realise that the rest of us already know that there's fkn turmoil going on behind the scenes.
But that's not an excuse for the mess the managers made of the team :no

by **Owzat** » Wed May 19, 2010 8:02 am

Penguins wrote:Even if we sold Masch for 30 million and only got Cattermole for 10 million as a replacement this place would be livid if we ended 5th or 6th next season. No mentioning the fact that spurs spent another 20, city another 70, chelski etc.

We just finished 7th WITH MASCHERANO, you seriously believe that with £30m for him and £10m spent on Cattermole that we could finish lower?!?!? I don't know what the obsession with the DM is, you can get CMs that can tackle and don't have to run around like a rabid dog chasing a stick and biting half the people who are silly enough to touch it.

Part of the problem is Rafa (and some fans) seem to think you have to spend £10m-£20m to get better than average players - you don't.

spudz haven't suddenly increased their spending yet improved their position. Is Rafa getting the most out of his resources? Not by a long shot, the players we have fielded this season are capable of better than the results I could cite again against lesser teams that we should be beating

Penguins wrote:Wanted: Manager that can bring instant success with no resources. Toughest league in the world and Sunderland will outspend you every season. Only asking for a title challenge....

Yeah, except they would have Reina, Carra, Agger, Johnson, Gerrard, Mascherano, Torres, Kuyt, Benayoun, Rodriguez and others to start with rather than the pick n mix that is Sunderland.

by **lakes10** » Wed May 19, 2010 8:32 am

Penguins wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Ciggy wrote: The problem is, nobody at Liverpool is willing to guarantee him that any money he can raise through selling players will be reinvested in the team – nor is there any evidence that funds available from the board will be sufficient for the squad rebuilding that is urgently required.

How depressing, dreading next season

no one can say there is money going to be at the club for any manager to spend, he might be asking for something he can not get, or they might just point to the 59 players he has taken to the club and say "are you say the ones you spent all the money on are no good"

in that case they have a fair point.

I just can't believe anyone really think that is the case.

So you are honestly saying the reason the board probably won't
spend a penny, even from sold players, would be Rafa's fault for his buying policy?

Not that we are skint or have owners that have shown their willingness to spend... not
Unbelievable how ignorant attitude

I am saying that there might not be much money to spend

tell me the trurh.

look at the 59 players he has taken to this club........right now think about this.

say he gets the ok to buy 3 players.........do you have the confidence that he will buy the 3 best players for that money.......you will be asking him to do something that he has not been able to do before.

so far he has a 1-10 in getting it right.
the chance that he gets the next 3 buys right is 1-10....thats not good.

by **Penguins** » Wed May 19, 2010 8:34 am

Well, please do forget the fact that Spudz has spent about the same amount as us for years now and this is the 1st season they finished above us. And they didn't have the CL income that Rafa has brought us....

And you really think these players:
Reina, Carra, Agger, Johnson, Gerrard, Mascherano, Torres, Kuyt, Benayoun, Rodriguez would be enough? That is not even a full 1st team and players are injured all the time during a season. We have will have no replacements ffs!
Just your love for Kuyt to mention him among those makes me shake my head..
What will it take for you to realize he is ****?
No offensive output at all even with the fact he plays among the most minutes?

by **Penguins** » Wed May 19, 2010 8:41 am

lakes10 wrote:
Penguins wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Ciggy wrote: The problem is, nobody at Liverpool is willing to guarantee him that any money he can raise through selling players will be reinvested in the team – nor is there any evidence that funds available from the board will be sufficient for the squad rebuilding that is urgently required.

How depressing, dreading next season

no one can say there is money going to be at the club for any manager to spend, he might be asking for something he can not get, or they might just point to the 59 players he has taken to the club and say "are you say the ones you spent all the money on are no good"

in that case they have a fair point.

I just can't believe anyone really think that is the case.

So you are honestly saying the reason the board probably won't
spend a penny, even from sold players, would be Rafa's fault for his buying policy?

Not that we are skint or have owners that have shown their willingness to spend... not
Unbelievable how ignorant attitude

I am saying that there might not be much money to spend

tell me the trurh.

look at the 59 players he has taken to this club........right now think about this.

say he gets the ok to buy 3 players.........do you have the confidence that he will buy the 3 best players for that money.......you will be asking him to do something that he has not been able to do before.

so far he has a 1-10 in getting it right.
the chance that he gets the next 3 buys right is 1-10....thats not good.

First of all counting freebies and youth players is a bit over top but that isn't the real issue.

The fact is a manager has to be supported to move forward.
Sure, there has been mistakes, but he has shown he can make excellent buys also. We are in desperate need of strenghtening our squad and Rafa is right now the manager and he needs to be shown faith otherwise you can't move forward. Even if some are of the opinion other managers might do better is irrelevant. If a manager isn't supported then he is just a lame duck and the club will only go one way. And he will stay.

The truth is we are leaking money like never before, the owners are over their eyeballs in debt everywhere and hasn't got a pot to :censored:

in. They are in selling mode and want to add absolutely zero to the club at this moment and no matter what the expense might be the answer from them is a big fat no.

Even in the likelyhood if Inter Milan would get Rafa there is a snowballs chance in **** a new manager will get anything as long as the current vermin steers the ship.
You can take that to the bank and I'll stake what little reputation I have on it.

by **Sir Roger** » Wed May 19, 2010 8:58 am

Because of our diabolically disastrous season, the unrest among the players, the split among the fans, Rafas unwillingness to take responsibility, his desire to look for employment elsewhere and no sign of the owners leaving, I ask one question:
Is Rafas position now untenable?

by **lakes10** » Wed May 19, 2010 9:05 am

Penguins wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Penguins wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Ciggy wrote: The problem is, nobody at Liverpool is willing to guarantee him that any money he can raise through selling players will be reinvested in the team – nor is there any evidence that funds available from the board will be sufficient for the squad rebuilding that is urgently required.

How depressing, dreading next season

no one can say there is money going to be at the club for any manager to spend, he might be asking for something he can not get, or they might just point to the 59 players he has taken to the club and say "are you say the ones you spent all the money on are no good"

in that case they have a fair point.

I just can't believe anyone really think that is the case.

So you are honestly saying the reason the board probably won't
spend a penny, even from sold players, would be Rafa's fault for his buying policy?

Not that we are skint or have owners that have shown their willingness to spend... not
Unbelievable how ignorant attitude

I am saying that there might not be much money to spend

tell me the trurh.

look at the 59 players he has taken to this club........right now think about this.

say he gets the ok to buy 3 players.........do you have the confidence that he will buy the 3 best players for that money.......you will be asking him to do something that he has not been able to do before.

so far he has a 1-10 in getting it right.
the chance that he gets the next 3 buys right is 1-10....thats not good.

First of all counting freebies and youth players is a bit over top but that isn't the real issue.

The fact is a manager has to be supported to move forward.
Sure, there has been mistakes, but he has shown he can make excellent buys also. We are in desperate need of strenghtening our squad and Rafa is right now the manager and he needs to be shown faith otherwise you can't move forward. Even if some are of the opinion other managers might do better is irrelevant. If a manager isn't supported then he is just a lame duck and the club will only go one way. And he will stay.

The truth is we are leaking money like never before, the owners are over their eyeballs in debt everywhere and hasn't got a pot to in. They are in selling mode and want to add absolutely zero to the club at this moment and no matter what the expense might be the answer from them is a big fat no.

Even in the likelyhood if Inter Milan would get Rafa there is a snowballs chance in **** a new manager will get anything as long as the current vermin steers the ship.
You can take that to the bank and I'll stake what little reputation I have on it.

no mate i am not, if you count youth players he has taken 103 players to the club.....i am being kind to him.

Fernando Torres
Alberto Aquilani
Robbie Keane
Glen Johnson
Ryan Babel
Xabi Alonso
Dirk Kuyt
Albert Riera
Peter Crouch
Andrea Dossena
Lucas Leiva
Jermaine Pennant
Martin Skrtel
Jose Reina
Luis Garcia
Craig Bellamy
Dan Agger
Mohammed Sissoko
Fernando Morientes
Yossi Benayoun
Diego Cavalieri
Alvaro Arbeloa
Sebastian Leto
Jose Miguel Gonzalez Rey (Josemi)
Gabriel Paletta
Jonjo Shelvey
Mark Gonzalez
Sotirios Kyrgiakos
David Ngog
Scott Carson
Mikel San Jose
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Antonio Barragan
Besian Idrizaj
Jack Hobbs
Alex Cooper
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Hakan Duyan
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Charles Itandje
Lee Peltier
Ryan Crowther
Mihail Alexandrov
Chris Buchtmann
Jan Kromkamp
Boudewijn Zenden
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Jamie Stephens
Maxi Rodriguez
Kristjan Gauti Emilsson
Dave Moli
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Chris Mavinga
Mauricio Pellegrino
Victor Palsson
Paul Willis
Vitor Flora
Emmanuel Mendy
Nikola Saric
Vincent Lucas Weijl
Lauri Dalla Valle
Dani Pacheco
Jordy Brouwer
Francisco Manuel Duran
Emiliano Insua
Ray Putterill
Martin Hansen
Jay Spearing
Dave Roberts
David Mannix
Ryan Flynn
Robbie Threlfall
Godwin Antwi
Javier Mascherano
Stephen Darby
Miki Roque
Nabir El Zhar
Mark Smyth
Ronald Huth
Martin Kelly
Marvin Pourie
Adam Hammill
Nikolay Mihaylov
Paul Anderson
Gary Mackay Steven
Andras Simon
Krisztian Nemeth
Danny Guthrie
Andriy Voronin
Robbie Fowler
Ryan Wilkie
Calum Woods
Craig Lindfield
Danny O'Donnell
Ramon Calliste
Steve Irwin
Jay Smith

by **andy_g** » Wed May 19, 2010 9:07 am

kazza wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:You really are a bitter prat, aren't you?

I would love to know why people think you're a good poster - you've been consistently sh*te for months.

Even the "Fat Spanish Waiter" managed to "muddle a performance together" more often than you've hit the target with your "observations" this season...

I agree. Cynical , bitter and completely full of sh1t yet people for fear of being kicked out of the "club" will reply with "spot on". I think he hides behind "I am only trying to wind up the wrist slashers and stalkers" but he really cannot help himself, this is the bitter person he is. Sad really!

Well happily I am not in the "club" and i see things for their merit and call a spade a spade and since he shovels so much cr@p he must be a spade

No matter what the manager may do, Micks little "words of wisdom" always seem to involve snide little attacks on the manager and anyone supporting the club (and apparently the good work that the managers wife does for charities as well).

Bitter, sad loser (and that is being nice)

and yet he never stoops so low as to make pathetic personal insults like you two. and no, i don't and never have considered myself to be part of any club. however you, kazza, seem all to keen to jump in with your own version of 'spot on, lando' yourself.

if you don't like a point of view that's in opposition to yours then either ignore it or come up with a meaningful reply. why the need to get personal? and don't give me the 'well he started it' bullshít because we all know that's not true.

i will agree with you on one thing though (horror of horrors)...
mick, your standards have dropped alarmingly in recent times. whether its from the appalling performance of the club at all levels, the state of the forum or a reaction to stalkers i don't know. but myself and many others i'm sure miss the great football posts that you used to make.

by **Waldo** » Wed May 19, 2010 9:10 am

Sir Roger wrote:Because of our diabolically disastrous season, the unrest among the players, the split among the fans, Rafas unwillingness to take responsibility, his desire to look for employment elsewhere and no sign of the owners leaving, I ask one question:
Is Rafas position now untenable?

I think his flirting with Juventus (and now possibly Inter) + his reluctance to meet with the Broughton suggest he is looking for a way out. Whether pushed or by "mutual consent"

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