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[Scottbot]

It’s not a theory..it’s a FACT. Liverpool’s form suffered after Rafa’s outburst. He put unnecessary pressure onto the players at a time when we were cruising at the top of the league.  Why do it? Why put yourself up for national ridicule? Why cause problems when we are TOP OF THE LEAGUE and winning for fun. Every newspaper in the country and every tv station had a field day after Rafa's cringeworthy display and you can pretend it didn’t effect our league form, but it did. Accept it or not, that is a FACT.

It's a fact that our league form suffered. It is not a fact that it was all down to Rafa's "facts" speech to the press. It's your opinion no more no less, and not a fact at all, your speculating. You can't dispute facts.

I'm far from Rafa's biggest fan but I don't buy into all the press bulls..h..i..t. Does anyone actually think the players were adversely bothered about Rafa's rant? Do you actually think it was playing on their minds as they walked down the tunnel?, as the whistle blew?, during the game? I'm sure Gerrard, Carra and a few of the other lads were themselves when they heard it. The same applies to Rafa's supposed 'promise' to obtain 4th place earlier this season. All I heard was fighting talk from a manager who was struggling, nothing more, nothing less.

another point to mention on the Rafa rant, and it went unnoticed by most at the time. It came right after the news broke on Gerrard's uppercut attack on that DJ for not playing aggadoo. At the time I though Rafa might have been trying to draw media attention away form the Captain. As it happened the media were very lenient on Gerrard courtesy of his status with the national squad.

[Sir Roger]

yep, all Rafa's fault, ifitwasntforrafa we'd have won the league - why do people attach such significance to a load of bull?

I honestly cannot believe you can slaughter him while at the same time pointing out that he had us 'cruising at the top of the league' - its a bit paradoxical to be honest mate

maybe it is.

But (for me at least) Rafa proved last season that he hasn't got the ability (mentally at least) to handle the pressure that a title winning campaign needs. The same way Keegan pressed the self destruct button in the 90s.

There is a definite reluctance by some to admit whats been going on for years.
We havent won a thing since 2006 when we scraped through the fa cup on penalties. We came second in the CL the year after and came second in the PL the season before last. To finish seventh in the manner we did should not be defended the way some have here. Call it a blip and you are in denial of the fact that we have fallen from being a top four to a second rate EL team.
Distraction, spin and pointing fingers wont change the truth.  Rafas offering this season has been Fu*king woeful and if we brush it under the carpet by saying he wasnt responsible we will not learn from mistakes and are sure to make them again.

[7_Kewell]

yep, all Rafa's fault, ifitwasntforrafa we'd have won the league - why do people attach such significance to a load of bull?

I honestly cannot believe you can slaughter him while at the same time pointing out that he had us 'cruising at the top of the league' - its a bit paradoxical to be honest mate

maybe it is.

But (for me at least) Rafa proved last season that he hasn't got the ability (mentally at least) to handle the pressure that a title winning campaign needs. The same way Keegan pressed the self destruct button in the 90s.

I dunno first you compare us with Newcastle , then you compare Rafa with Keegan, The only similarity we have with Newcastle is some of our fans ,

both mangers are bottlers when it comes to the league.

[rocky29]

he is very cleaver....I wish i had contracts like he has lol.

TBF to him he hasnt been offered sh!t jobs either considering most of our fan base want him out, Ac Milan, Inter Milan and Juve are not sh!tty no mark clubs.

they would be if Rafa was in charge for 6 years...

WOW all them italian teams must be drooling over rafas defensive formations and tactics. something the italians invented was defending. no wonder they all want rafa   

[Greavesie]

both mangers are bottlers when it comes to the league.

Rafa didn't bottle it tho - we were actually very strong at the end of the season. It was the home draws that killed us - of which there were very few, may be none, in the closing weeks of the season

Look what happened when rafa left Valencia - they got worse didnt they eh??

[Lando_Griffin]

What is a 'REAL' fan?
I'm not to sure myself after reading some of the pro Rafa posters on here.
Personally I count everyone who supports the club through the good and the bad times as a proper LFC fan
(whether they are actually lucky enough to be able to attend the games is not important)

As a fan (real or not) I want Rafa out and a new man in ASAP.
We can argue about past highs under Rafa all day long, and the CL & FA cup win a few years back were great achievements.
But I think its fair to say that the standard of football from an entertainment point of view for the majority of his 6 year reign has been poor.
He, and he alone has built this current side and their style of play, yet now he's saying he needs 5 multi million pound players to take the club forward! ffs does anyone really believe this nonesense?
Its impossible to defend some of his decision making both on and off the pitch.
Its very much all about Rafa and not whats best for the club in my opinion.
Great Manager or Great self obsessed Spin merchant?
After this long, its very much the latter for me.
Then again I may not be in the real fan category so my opinion wont be valid and Rafas has done an amazing job under the worst conditions ever to burden a manager in the history of the Prem! 

I agree totally with this, constant excuses, one after another, time he got on with it or get out

It's because you're both blinkered plonkers.

Lando, your the one with the blinkers you Rafa loving head in the sand unrealistic plonker

Logic is beyond you - I see now why you're such a numpty.

[Lando_Griffin]

What is a 'REAL' fan?
I'm not to sure myself after reading some of the pro Rafa posters on here.
Personally I count everyone who supports the club through the good and the bad times as a proper LFC fan
(whether they are actually lucky enough to be able to attend the games is not important)

As a fan (real or not) I want Rafa out and a new man in ASAP.
We can argue about past highs under Rafa all day long, and the CL & FA cup win a few years back were great achievements.
But I think its fair to say that the standard of football from an entertainment point of view for the majority of his 6 year reign has been poor.
He, and he alone has built this current side and their style of play, yet now he's saying he needs 5 multi million pound players to take the club forward! ffs does anyone really believe this nonesense?
Its impossible to defend some of his decision making both on and off the pitch.
Its very much all about Rafa and not whats best for the club in my opinion.
Great Manager or Great self obsessed Spin merchant?
After this long, its very much the latter for me.
Then again I may not be in the real fan category so my opinion wont be valid and Rafas has done an amazing job under the worst conditions ever to burden a manager in the history of the Prem! 

I agree totally with this, constant excuses, one after another, time he got on with it or get out

It's because you're both blinkered plonkers.

Lando, your the one with the blinkers you Rafa loving head in the sand unrealistic plonker

You only just realised that hes an unrealistic plonker?   

Only a plonker would be daft enough to support the biggest load of shyte EVER served up at Anfield in the name of football.
And to compound it he spins out every stupid excuse under the sun to justify the managers many short falls 

You call them excuses - people with a brain would call them reasons.

But then, I'm forgetting that injuries and many poor refereeing decisions don't have any effect whatsoever... 

[Penguins]

The problem is, nobody at Liverpool is willing to guarantee him that any money he can raise through selling players will be reinvested in the team – nor is there any evidence that funds available from the board will be sufficient for the squad rebuilding that is urgently required.

How depressing, dreading next season   

no one can say there is money going to be at the club for any manager to spend, he might be asking for something he can not get, or they might just point to the 59 players he has taken to the club and say "are you say the ones you spent all the money on are no good"

in that case they have a fair point.

I just can't believe anyone really think that is the case.

So you are honestly saying the reason the board probably won't
spend a penny, even from sold players, would be Rafa's fault for his buying policy?

Not that we are skint or have owners that have shown their willingness to spend... not   
Unbelievable how ignorant attitude

[Lando_Griffin]

I would be amazed with the level of biasness if people think Insua is actually better than Riise.

Aurelio is miles better than Riise - it's injuries that have held him, and us, back.

[Lando_Griffin]

Only a plonker would be daft enough to support the biggest load of shyte EVER served up at Anfield in the name of football.

Lol this forum is beyond a joke now.

As is the Shyte being churned out by Rafa 

I'll tell you what, friend: Any team a div like you leads is right up sh*t street. You're absolutely LOVING this, aren't you?

You pathetic weasel.

[Lando_Griffin]

I like the way people will gurn about players who we had previous to some of the so called "lesser" players we have playing for us now in respective positions as if there were absolutely no other circumstances at play other than Rafa giving them the boot in favour of said "lesser" player.

"Oh, he shouldn't have let Hamman go (aye, and still be doing a job in the middle to this day )."
"Should have resigned Owen"
"Should have kept Riise (who couldn't use his right boot to clear a bread and butter ball into the box)"
"Shoulda kept Finnan"

Wha wha wha!

Players come and players leave. That's a fact of football. Another fact of football is that players age and players form can drop with either age or a change in system. If you that are spouting the coulda, shoulda, woulda want to go down that path, then I might as well say that we shouldn't have let Fowler go. F*ck, while we're at it, we should never have let John Barnes go and Jan Molbey. They could still be doing a job for us now, right?

100% correct.

Nice to see others fighting the good fight.

[Penguins]

Even if we sold Masch for 30 million and only got Cattermole for 10 million as a replacement this place would be livid if we ended 5th or 6th next season. No mentioning the fact that spurs spent another 20, city another 70, chelski etc.

Rafa is in a no win situation. Really nice when advertising for his replacement.

Wanted: Manager that can bring instant success with no resources. Toughest league in the world and Sunderland will outspend you every season. Only asking for a title challenge....

And if Torres would be sold for 70-80 million and not reinvested in the team Rafa would get 90% of the blame.
Rafa's fault Torres left, it had nothing to do with us having no CL football, or him saying we needed 4-5 new players to get us back to the top.
Only Rafa cause of those imaginiray quotes from Torres saying he would leave if Rafa stayed....
And if Bent was the only replacement?
League title challenge demanded....

[Lando_Griffin]

It would make interesting viewing if Benitez did end up going to Inter (he won't). Then you'd get a good look at how he compares to their previous managers (it's increasingly looking like he or anyone else might have a fairly difficult act to follow this season).It would be even more interesting if we swapped managers with them to get a direct comparison (we won't).

No, those who say we are stuck with him are on the money. The worse part about it is, even Benitez won't make as much of a nonsense of it next season as he has this. I expect us to have a bigger gap than 13 points to Blackburn at the end of next season, and be more than two points ahead of Everton. We might even jump a place or two in the league (I don't think we'll get in the top four though), which will cause the apologists and real fans to spout off for months about "progress".

Perhaps that was the cunning plan, nosedive us into oblivion which enables you to "improve" us over the next couple of years. In another couple of seasons we'll be back challenging for the top four, and by then the faithful will be singing "Montse is a scouser, Montse is a scouser, Nah nah nah nah, OOOOh". Let's see, another couple of seasons on from now, feck me I can see another five year plan looming on the horizon  .

You really are a bitter prat, aren't you?

I would love to know why people think you're a good poster - you've been consistently sh*te for months.

Even the "Fat Spanish Waiter" managed to "muddle a performance together" more often than you've hit the target with your "observations" this season...

[Lando_Griffin]

Rafael Benitez loses an option after Juventus run out of patience with Liverpool manager
Rafael Benitez's options should he leave Liverpool this summer narrowed on Monday after Juventus, who had been pursuing the Spaniard, closed in on appointing Luigi del Neri as their manager.

The Turin club had offered Benítez a £3.5 million-a-year contract over four seasons and promised him a £60 million transfer fund for this summer alone as part of an ambitious plan to take Juventus to the Champions League title by 2013.

Just two weeks ago sources at Juventus had suggested the deal was done, but Benítez failed to give the Italian side a definite answer and missed a series of deadlines set by the club to declare his intentions
The arrival of Beppe Marotta as technical director, to be confirmed tomorrow, heralded a change of policy for the club’s incoming president Andrea Agnelli. Marotta, presently working alongside Del Neri at Sampdoria, expressed a preference for an Italian manager. It is also believed Juventus’s patience with Benítez has been running thin for some time.

Benítez’s future at Anfield, though, remains uncertain. It is thought he is unlikely to replace Leonardo, who left his post as manager of AC Milan last week after just one season, after the club expressed their intention to appoint a former player to the position. The Dutch duo of Frank Rijkaard, presently at Galatasaray, and Marco van Basten are believed to be the front-runners.

Benítez is also thought to be a contender to replace Jose Mourinho at Inter Milan, should the Portuguese choose to succumb to the overtures of Real Madrid.

Inter owner Massimo Moratti is believed to be confident he can convince Benítez to overcome his reticence to replace Mourinho, with whom the Spaniard had such a fractious relationship during his time at Chelsea, after a season in which he has taken Inter to a domestic league and cup double and the Champions League final.

But with every day that passes and Benítez remains at Anfield, the prospect of the former Valencia manager remaining at Anfield grows more likely. The Liverpool manager has held two meetings with the club’s chairman, Martin Broughton, but it is believed no decision on whether he will stay has been made.

The longer the saga over Benítez’s fate drags on without clarification either way, though, the more uncertain the futures of the likes of Fernando Torres, Steven Gerrard and Javier Mascherano will grow. All three are believed to be considering their positions.
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You do make me smile at times. Straight before this post, you typed this:

"Bav do you wish to have a manager at our club that is only here as he could not get the job he was looking for.


juventus are about to give the job to another manager.

The bbc have been reporting all morning, they are also saying that Rafa will stay at liverpool as he could not get this job."

Make your bloody mind up! Either he really wanted the Juve job but failed because they didn't want him, or he refused to accept brilliant terms because... Because...

Well - it's obviously because he doesn't want to leave, isn't it?

Dear me.

[Lando_Griffin]

I ask you all

If all we read or see in the media is not true why for one has Rafa not come out and said it is lies and why he he not taken court action to stop it....it could cost him his job after all.

some members are too in love with Rafa to see the truth.

With all the sh*t written about Rafa on a daily basis, he'd never be out of Court.

Have a word with yourself, for f*ck's sake.