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RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:

Reg wrote:Theres nothing subtle about that article, its totally in Purslow's face. Well done Prentice.

I think even the most staunch believers that a change of Manager is the most essential move we could make ,will read that and whilst not totally changing their views ,maybe just maybe proffer more respect to a man who is fighting our cause behind the scenes   

I think the Prentice piece will be a real eye-opener for some who until now have been blinded by the tabloids I think it   offers an insight into the despicable underhand way this Great Club is being run ..... but then again  maybe it  depends largely on what the poster or fan finds convenient   

Benny The Noon wrote:Imagine what forums would of said about shanks the year he finished 7th the year after we had won the title . Lucky for us he was given time to turn around a one season blip

bavlondon wrote:Could it also be that Rafa being the nice guy that he is choses to work with clubs that are not the richest in their league. He tries to get sucess the hard way and when people say they will support him and dont then he has a right to be angry.

He signed a 5 year contract and didn't even get the money he was promised. He was never told that money was also for renewing new contracts. How would you feel if you had that happen to you on the back of last season and having just sold one of the best players in the world? Id be pretty off too mate.

It seems your hatred towards Rafa is blinding the real issue which is the ownership. Id fear for the club if Rafa left and the owners were still here as no other top manager would touch this club with a bargepole after what they have done. And then watch the top players also walk out the door.

But at least Rafa will be gone right? 

Could it also be that Rafa being the nice guy that he is

Why would you think he is a "nice guy" when he falls out with everyone that says no to him, and anyone that criticises him too!

He tries to get sucess the hard way

No he doesn't, he just demanded more money than we could afford, but unfortunately for him we are now in such massive debt that he has been forced to try to manage without money and has failed miserably.

He signed a 5 year contract

Yeah and he "loves us" so much that he turned the offer of a new contract down 5 times. Then signs a contract that gives him a fortune within 48 hours of leaving. (presumably he only put that bit in because he loves us so much  )

It seems your hatred towards Rafa is blinding the real issue which is the ownership.

I don't hate Rafa and I am not blind to what the owners have done, BUT I am also not blind to what Rafa has failed to do either.

Id fear for the club if Rafa left and the owners were still here as no other top manager would touch this club with a bargepole after what they have done. And then watch the top players also walk out the door.

It seems our top players want to leave BECAUSE of Rafa, and like many that support Rafa your expectations have become so limited that you really believe we would struggle to find a top new manager.

But at least Rafa will be gone right?

It would imo be best if Rafa left, but as I keep saying I don't think he will go. 

There are five stages of grief mate

1-Denial

2-Anger

3-Bargaining

4-Depression

5-Acceptance

I am not sure if you are stuck on number 3 ("I would like to see what Rafa could do if he could have all the players he wants") or number 4 (This is the best we can do given the circumstances, no top manager would want us now)

Just think yourself lucky mate, most of the other rafapologists haven't got off number 1 or 2 yet 

maguskwt wrote:

s@int wrote:

maguskwt wrote:

s@int wrote:

maguskwt wrote:Lol so do you wanna be 6th or do you wanna be challengers?

If you want to be 6th stick with Rafa, if we want to be challengers we need a new manager.

If you want to be 6th just focus on asking for a new manager, If you want to challenge for the title, ask for new owners...

New owners won't necessarily mean any more money for players, a new manager however will mean a new approach on the field.

Or maybe you are one of those people who would rather see us even deeper in debt, just because spending huge amounts seems to be the only way the present manager can improve our performances?

I would prefer to spend little or even nothing on transfers in the short term if necessary to reduce our debt and get the stadium built. Relying instead on a new manager to get the best out of the players we have and making the most of what little money is available.

The most important goals are to reduce debt, build a stadium and get us back into the CL PLACES. With a profligate manager all three goals are under threat.

Very good plan [email=s@int...]s@int...[/email] for that to happen we still need a new owner... and then let's hope if Hodgson or O'neill can do what you just said... but you contradict yourself by saying get a new manager to become challengers... your priority is not to challenge for the title but to only get back to top 4, reduce the debt and get the stadium built (which is fine by me)... because even Wenger when they were building the stadium could not challenge for the title...

My preference would be to get new owners and keep Rafa... because I believe Rafa can get us back into top 4... he's done it every year bar his 1st and this year and in the process broke the club's record points total 2 times. I don't trust the likes of Hodgson and O'neil. And in Europe there are few managers who does as well as Rafa...

No we don't. It would be much easier and much better with new owners, but not impossible with the owners we have. They would need new investment (which is why they were looking for it) to proceed but new owners while desirable  are not a requirement. New money IS a requirement. 

My priority is not to challenge for the title, my priority is for CL FOOTBALL, my hope is to challenge for the title and I believe with the right manager we can achieve both. I believe if we want stability we need a manager who can do more with less, who instead of demanding more and more money that at present we just do not have, and blaming everything on others when he fails, will achieve our goals without bankrupting the club. 

Yeah as long as the money was flowing Rafa could buy his way into the top 4. As soon as the money dried up we finished 7 th...... just the type of manager you need at a club in danger of going bankrupt   

maguskwt wrote:

s@int wrote:No we don't. It would be much easier and much better with new owners, but not impossible with the owners we have. They would need new investment (which is why they were looking for it) to proceed but new owners while desirable  are not a requirement. New money IS a requirement. 

My priority is not to challenge for the title, my priority is for CL FOOTBALL, my hope is to challenge for the title and I believe with the right manager we can achieve both. I believe if we want stability we need a manager who can do more with less, who instead of demanding more and more money that at present we just do not have, and blaming everything on others when he fails, will achieve our goals without bankrupting the club. 

Yeah as long as the money was flowing Rafa could buy his way into the top 4. As soon as the money dried up we finished 7 th...... just the type of manager you need at a club in danger of going bankrupt   

So let's see... No new owners required, only new money required. I wonder who in the right mind would put money in this institution which is losing money, controlled by T&T and not have any controlling powers. And a manager who can challenge for the title with the current squad under current conditions? You must be dreaming...

I bet you my house that unless we start spending on the squad what you just said is never ever gonna happen...

Not dreaming , just trying to explain the financial implications. We need approximately £150million of new money to reduce the debt enough to get the stadium build under way. That can be obtained either by new investment or new owners (maybe a difficult concept for you to understand ?) The owners tried for new investment and couldn't find it (maybe for some of the reasons you put forward) so now they are looking to sell (?) or perhaps even to delay until they have the required capital.

As for challenging for the title, with the present manager I would agree its difficult to see, with a new manager a distinct possibility.   

I will take that bet.

I will put you down as a number 1 

s@int wrote:

maguskwt wrote:

s@int wrote:No we don't. It would be much easier and much better with new owners, but not impossible with the owners we have. They would need new investment (which is why they were looking for it) to proceed but new owners while desirable  are not a requirement. New money IS a requirement. 

My priority is not to challenge for the title, my priority is for CL FOOTBALL, my hope is to challenge for the title and I believe with the right manager we can achieve both. I believe if we want stability we need a manager who can do more with less, who instead of demanding more and more money that at present we just do not have, and blaming everything on others when he fails, will achieve our goals without bankrupting the club. 

Yeah as long as the money was flowing Rafa could buy his way into the top 4. As soon as the money dried up we finished 7 th...... just the type of manager you need at a club in danger of going bankrupt   

So let's see... No new owners required, only new money required. I wonder who in the right mind would put money in this institution which is losing money, controlled by T&T and not have any controlling powers. And a manager who can challenge for the title with the current squad under current conditions? You must be dreaming...

I bet you my house that unless we start spending on the squad what you just said is never ever gonna happen...

Not dreaming , just trying to explain the financial implications. We need approximately £150million of new money to reduce the debt enough to get the stadium build under way. That can be obtained either by new investment or new owners (maybe a difficult concept for you to understand ?) The owners tried for new investment and couldn't find it (maybe for some of the reasons you put forward) so now they are looking to sell (?) or perhaps even to delay until they have the required capital.

As for challenging for the title, with the present manager I would agree its difficult to see, with a new manager a distinct possibility.   

I will take that bet.

I will put you down as a number 1 

Oh ok... the owners tried to find new investment and couldn't and you admit that it may be for some of the reasons I put forward and at the same time I'm the one who has difficulty in understanding the concept. Thanks for patronizing me [email]s@int...[/email] maybe you should be BFF (best friends forever) with Rafa if ppl on here are to be believed that he's an egocentric person  .

Our debts are rising at 50 million a year and now is at 350 million. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't pretend to be an expert at these things. Arsenal's stadium reportedly cost 390 million. What is 150 million of new investment gonna do s@int?

And as for a new manager who needs to spend zero and still challenge for the title... pls pls pls tell me who he is... I'll kiss his feet, give him my daughter in marriage (if I had one) whatever and beg him to go to anfield.

A new owner who is willing to wipe off the debt IS a requirement now and at the same time we should work on getting back into the CL and making profits again. And then we can think about the new stadium.

So my house against yours? In 2 years time? done deal... 

maguskwt wrote:

s@int wrote:

maguskwt wrote:

s@int wrote:No we don't. It would be much easier and much better with new owners, but not impossible with the owners we have. They would need new investment (which is why they were looking for it) to proceed but new owners while desirable  are not a requirement. New money IS a requirement. 

My priority is not to challenge for the title, my priority is for CL FOOTBALL, my hope is to challenge for the title and I believe with the right manager we can achieve both. I believe if we want stability we need a manager who can do more with less, who instead of demanding more and more money that at present we just do not have, and blaming everything on others when he fails, will achieve our goals without bankrupting the club. 

Yeah as long as the money was flowing Rafa could buy his way into the top 4. As soon as the money dried up we finished 7 th...... just the type of manager you need at a club in danger of going bankrupt   

So let's see... No new owners required, only new money required. I wonder who in the right mind would put money in this institution which is losing money, controlled by T&T and not have any controlling powers. And a manager who can challenge for the title with the current squad under current conditions? You must be dreaming...

I bet you my house that unless we start spending on the squad what you just said is never ever gonna happen...

Not dreaming , just trying to explain the financial implications. We need approximately £150million of new money to reduce the debt enough to get the stadium build under way. That can be obtained either by new investment or new owners (maybe a difficult concept for you to understand ?) The owners tried for new investment and couldn't find it (maybe for some of the reasons you put forward) so now they are looking to sell (?) or perhaps even to delay until they have the required capital.

As for challenging for the title, with the present manager I would agree its difficult to see, with a new manager a distinct possibility.   

I will take that bet.

I will put you down as a number 1 

Oh ok... the owners tried to find new investment and couldn't and you admit that it may be for some of the reasons I put forward and at the same time I'm the one who has difficulty in understanding the concept. Thanks for patronizing me [email=s@int...]s@int...[/email] maybe you should be BFF (best friends forever) with Rafa if ppl on here are to be believed that he's an egocentric person  .

Our debts are rising at 50 million a year and now is at 350 million. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't pretend to be an expert at these things. Arsenal's stadium reportedly cost 390 million. What is 150 million of new investment gonna do s@int?

And as for a new manager who needs to spend zero and still challenge for the title... pls pls pls tell me who he is... I'll kiss his feet, give him my daughter in marriage (if I had one) whatever and beg him to go to anfield.

A new owner who is willing to wipe off the debt IS a requirement now and at the same time we should work on getting back into the CL and making profits again. And then we can think about the new stadium.

So my house against yours? In 2 years time? done deal...