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[J*o*n*D*o*e]

lakes you dont strike me as the kind of person i would want helping me through a troubled time, your loving every minute of this and cant wait for your pound of flesh.

[lakes10]

lakes you dont strike me as the kind of person i would want helping me through a troubled time, your loving every minute of this and cant wait for your pound of flesh.

Its more of a case i i spend all my time helping other through troubled times and when i am not at work i can vent off at things that me off lol.

[Benny The Noon]

Lakes how the hell do you know that gerrard and torres can't work with rafa anymore ?!

[Aussie Style]

Lakes how the hell do you know that gerrard and torres can't work with rafa anymore ?!

I'll answer for him, he doesn't. Assumptions.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Lakes how the hell do you know that gerrard and torres can't work with rafa anymore ?!

Because he is from Gallifrey and he can travel to any particular place in time in his press box 

[lakes10]

Lakes how the hell do you know that gerrard and torres can't work with rafa anymore ?!

Because he is from Gallifrey and he can travel to any particular place in time in his press box 

 

[lakes10]

Lakes how the hell do you know that gerrard and torres can't work with rafa anymore ?!

Mate if you can not work that out from seeing or team play over the last year then i take it you are using a braille keyboard.

[Reg]

Lakes how the hell do you know that gerrard and torres can't work with rafa anymore ?!

Mate if you can not work that out from seeing or team play over the last year then i take it you are using a braille keyboard.

I completely disagree, you're just makin thjings up to pass the time.

Your comments in the Owners thread are good, but pure fantasy in these other threads lakes.

[lakes10]

Lakes how the hell do you know that gerrard and torres can't work with rafa anymore ?!

Mate if you can not work that out from seeing or team play over the last year then i take it you are using a braille keyboard.

I completely disagree, you're just makin thjings up to pass the time.

Your comments in the Owners thread are good, but pure fantasy in these other threads lakes.

you you think the way SG looked during some of the games this year are ok, the way he looked when Torres got taken off?, the reports of bustups with Rafa? walking out with JC 5mind before the 2nd half of a game so he did not have to be in the same room?.

ok i did not think the last one happend but it turned out they did come out before the rest of the team and it was not for a warm up, they spent time in the tunnel and then come out well before the rest of the players.

both Torres and SC feel then need to be in a team with a manager that can win the prem...and i dont think they feel that Rafa is the person or manager to build a team like that.

[Igor Zidane]

Talk about over the top , Rafa is now being made out to be the Devil incarnate . Listen Lakes ,question him on his tactics and the players he's bought or whatever but you my friend are obsessed with the man . You are going way over board with your critisism and making yourself look stupid . THE KING OF SIN ffs ,behave yourself .


Taken from the takeover thread and posted by lAKES.


ol Rafa is a very cleaver man, he is very good at getting whhat he is asking for....and very good at putting the blame on others when things dont go right.

Rafa is the king of sin, the was he gets HIS FRIEND to say things to the press and the use of his agent is outstanding.



should he get the money........well if i was the owners i would give him nothing as i would hold the info that he has been talking to other clubs.......but we dont know what is in his contracr, what i dont understand is that he did not meet his targets this year yet they still have to pay him off, as i say he is a very cleaver man and wrked out a very strong contract for himself.

[Number 9]

In my own view at the end of the day it comes down to who is bigger Rafa or Liverpool FC. I THINK it is clear that Torres and SG can no longer work with Rafa and if he stays they will go, Rafa will spin this to say that if he stays he did not sell them and it was the club that sold them due to the debt.

Rafa is holding a gun at the clubs head.

You are an absolute joke,a jester a gimp...you are full of sh,ite always have been always will be......my mate knows this,i've been told this...blah blah blah....ABSOLUTE LIAR!

fuc'king dirty rotten liar.......fuc'k off away from my club!

[Lando_Griffin]

What is a 'REAL' fan?
I'm not to sure myself after reading some of the pro Rafa posters on here.
Personally I count everyone who supports the club through the good and the bad times as a proper LFC fan
(whether they are actually lucky enough to be able to attend the games is not important)

As a fan (real or not) I want Rafa out and a new man in ASAP.
We can argue about past highs under Rafa all day long, and the CL & FA cup win a few years back were great achievements.
But I think its fair to say that the standard of football from an entertainment point of view for the majority of his 6 year reign has been poor.
He, and he alone has built this current side and their style of play, yet now he's saying he needs 5 multi million pound players to take the club forward! ffs does anyone really believe this nonesense?
Its impossible to defend some of his decision making both on and off the pitch.
Its very much all about Rafa and not whats best for the club in my opinion.
Great Manager or Great self obsessed Spin merchant?
After this long, its very much the latter for me.
Then again I may not be in the real fan category so my opinion wont be valid and Rafas has done an amazing job under the worst conditions ever to burden a manager in the history of the Prem! 

I agree totally with this, constant excuses, one after another, time he got on with it or get out

It's because you're both blinkered plonkers.

[Lando_Griffin]

Why would you think he is a "nice guy" when he falls out with everyone that says no to him, and anyone that criticises him too!

I think most would do the same thing if they were expected to challenge for the league with the budget we have had each summer.

No he doesn't, he just demanded more money than we could afford, but unfortunately for him we are now in such massive debt that he has been forced to try to manage without money and has failed miserably.

Actually all he asked for was the usual 25Mil he got each summer plus whatever he made back from sales. Not really a lot is it considering Utd spent 30Mil on 1 player. At the end of the day the owners said yes to him when negotiating his contract and they didn't deliver their end. He is entitled to feel aggrieved.

Then signs a contract that gives him a fortune within 48 hours of leaving. (presumably he only put that bit in because he loves us so much  )

In todays game that is normal. Any manager at the top level has compensation written into his contract. Would you really imagine he would have singed his contract with out any personal protection?

Please even Houllier got 12mil when he left.

I don't hate Rafa and I am not blind to what the owners have done, BUT I am also not blind to what Rafa has failed to do either.

Right but we are in the situation where we need new players. We wont get new players unless we get more money. We won't get more money unless we get new owners. Current manager or otherwise that situation does not change, and if you think the current squad is good enough then why are some of our best players saying we need better players?  Rafa has made mistakes but to focus on him so much is out of order.

It seems our top players want to leave BECAUSE of Rafa, and like many that support Rafa your expectations have become so limited that you really believe we would struggle to find a top new manager.

Based on what a couple of bull. rumors from RAWK or TLW?

Bav mate you got to stop using  budget when you talk about Rafa, The cuy has had over 250mil to spend on players and still has not been able to build a team that has won anything in 4 years.

you posted yourself for him to leave the club....why change your mind now?

But was he given it all in 1 go? Or in chunks of 100Mil? No he was given in it dribs and drabs meaning we could never afford to buy 2 20Mil players in 1 transfer window. You all keep looking at the total amount but what has his net spend been on average each season?

soory mate but it just dont stand up, he has taken 59 to 77 players to this club, if he wanted to buy better players then he should have taken less and picked better players to buy.

Your argument is water tight. 59-77? Is it 60? Or maybe 72?

[Lando_Griffin]

In my own view at the end of the day it comes down to who is bigger Rafa or Liverpool FC. I THINK it is clear that Torres and SG can no longer work with Rafa and if he stays they will go, Rafa will spin this to say that if he stays he did not sell them and it was the club that sold them due to the debt.

Rafa is holding a gun at the clubs head.

Where did Torres and Gerrard say this? In a nightclub sh*tter to their bestest bitter buddies?

It's funny, really, that people are drawn to these conclusions. I could have sworn Torres played on with an injury under Rafa - one which could still cause him to miss the World Cup.

Nevermind, though - rumours are much more fun than facts.

[Lando_Griffin]

Lakes how the hell do you know that gerrard and torres can't work with rafa anymore ?!

Mate if you can not work that out from seeing or team play over the last year then i take it you are using a braille keyboard.

22 goals from 33 matches whilst battling through injuries disagree with your ascertions.