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Postby maguskwt » Fri May 07, 2010 1:16 pm

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s@int wrote:How Rafa Benitez's Liverpool FC reign went wrong
May 6 2010 By Ben Thornley

IN a time of great uncertainty at Anfield the only thing  which appears assured is that Rafa Benitez’s Liverpool reign is coming to a hasty end.
By 2006, Benitez had led Liverpool to glory in the Champions League and the FA Cup while attaining the Reds’ highest ever Premier League points total.
However, after the club’s worst league season since Gerard Houllier’s first at the club and four years without a trophy,    the Spaniard is on the brink.
So, where did it go wrong?

THE YANKS
Tom Hicks and George Gillett  arrived at Anfield in February 2007 vowing to give Benitez the finances to buy the best players in football.
That, however, proved to be just one of the many promises they failed to keep.
Benitez was on the verge of being sacked  by the December with Jurgen Klinsmann lined up as his successor  after the manager made a series of remarks about a lack of transfer funds.
Even before the credit crunch, the Americans were struggling to find the finances to back up their bold words.  Since the global recession they’d do well to get a Burton store card.
In recent transfer windows Benitez has been forced to trade at a profit after the Americans’ financial bungling.
Just as damaging, though, have been the Anfield factions and the toxic relationship between the two owners, their families, chief executives, managing directors and the manager.


THE 2007 ATHENS CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL
If Benitez’s victory in Istanbul ensured him legendary status at Anfield, a second Champions League final victory in 2007 would have made him untouchable.
The  brilliance of Steven Gerrard rescued Benitez’s bungling in 2005,  when the manager decided not to use his best defensive midfielder, Dietmar Hamman, to snuff out  the finest trequartista in world football, Kaka.
But even the skipper couldn’t intervene when the Spaniard once more made a hash of it against AC Milan the second time round.
With Carlo Ancelloti’s aged defence vulnerable to height and pace,  tactical genius Benitez left 6ft 7 Peter Crouch and lightening quick Craig Bellamy on the Olympic Stadium bench in favour of Dirk Kuyt, used as a lone striker.
Milan, who triumphed 2-1,  couldn’t believe their luck.
Benitez spent the summer growing a goatee beard.  Liverpool have failed to reach a cup final since. Coincidence?

THE LOSS OF PAKO AYESTERAN AND PACO HERRERA
Both men played a key role in Valencia’s two title triumphs and were highly regarded by the Liverpool boss.
Herrera provided Benitez with tactical insight while Ayesteran was regarded as among the best fitness coaches in the game.
More importantly, though, they were not afraid to tell their friend when he was wrong – and Benitez respected their opinion.
Since their departure the Anfield chief has allowed himself to be surrounded by yes men who have allowed all of his dubious tactical and transfer decisions to go unquestioned.

DIRK KUYT
The Dutchman has contributed  many vital goals, particularly in Europe, since his  signing from Feyenoord  in 2006.
Liverpool,  however, took a significant step back for his arrival when  he replaced Peter Crouch as the Reds’ first-choice striker.
Poor in the air, a miserable first touch and a lack of pace made him ill-suited to either of the striker roles.
That mattered little to Benitez, though. Kuyt’s relentless running and pressing of opponents  made him the boss’ forward of choice, destroying the dynamic of the team and reversing the progress that had been made the season before.
The 29-year-old has successfully reinvented himself as a right winger, but is all too often asked to play as a lone striker in Torres’ absence – a task he lacks the attributes to perform. It has never worked – but that hasn’t stopped Benitez.


TACTICS/ BENITEZ’S CAUTION
Benitez’s command  of English has  improved during his six years at Anfield but his grasp of what it takes to win the English Premier League has  not.
In a division that regularly  sees the champions finish with more than 90 points,  playing for a draw against a team outside of the top four isn’t an option.
Benitez threw away  his and Liverpool’s best opportunity to finally end their title  drought last season by allowing his caution to stifle the Reds.
Had Benitez’s side  turned a handful  of the dreadful draws against the likes of Hull City, Stoke City and Everton into victories, they would have been champions.

4-2-3-1
Benitez’s preferred formation since his Valencia days. It’s merits are obvious – but the dogmatic 50-year-old  often fields players unsuitable for particular  roles   within the system when key men  are unavailable,  rather than switch to  a shape that would better suit his personnel.
And do Liverpool really need two defensive midfield players against the likes of Wolves?


XABI ALONSO/ ALBERTO AQUILANI
Forcing the Basque midfielder’s exit from Liverpool was perhaps the manager’s greatest mistake – an even poorer decision than opting to sign the perennially crocked Alberto Aquilani as his replacement.
Alonso – the Reds’ player of the season in 2008/09 –  was integral to the way Liverpool played, providing Torres and Gerrard with quick possession in dangerous areas of the pitch.
There’s a reason Real Madrid paid £30m for him – he’s the best in the business at what he does.


INJURIES TO TORRES AND  GERRARD
The Anfield boss has been unfortunate in this respect, particularly during the last two seasons.
Some of the worst performances of this period, though, have been delivered with both men in the starting XI.

STRIKER LIGHT
Parting company with  Bellamy and  Crouch rank among the manager’s worst moves  in the transfer market.
Particularly given the injury record of Fernando Torres and the paucity of options last season in the Spaniard’s absence.
Entering the season with just the raw  David Ngog and awful Andriy Voronin as back-up  was criminally negligent.


2008/09 TRANSFER DEALINGS
This was Benitez’s    Houllier 2002 moment.
Summer signings Robbie Keane (£21m), Andrea Dossena (£7m) and Phillip Degen (free)  all failed to make an impact, with Keane and Dossena both failing to last more than  a season.
Degen – who has an injury record that makes  Aquiliani look indestructible   –  too would have been jettisoned if anyone would take him.
It could have been worse. Benitez nearly sold Alonso to Arsenal for £12m – a year before he fetched £30m – and bought Gareth Barry for £20m before the owners and Rick Parry  intervened.
At least they got something right.


THE APPOINTMENT OF EDUARDO MACIA
Liverpool’s chief scout and the man responsible for a series of transfer  disasters, notably  Alberto Aquilani and  Andrea Dossena.
Even if he tells you Lionel Messi is  a decent prospect, get  a second opinion.

Shockingly poor article.

You see it's articles like this which sum up why or fans dislike the "media" in this country.

Half of it is completely inaccurate. I mean if you're going to spout a load of nonsense at least get your facts right.

if the facts were correct, then it wouldnt be nonsense

Wow, I bow down to your superior intelligence Judge :D
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Postby aCe' » Fri May 07, 2010 1:21 pm

stmichael wrote:Even if you have serious disagreements with his management this year you can't not see that him leaving under the current circumstances would be a disaster surely? The manager is the only thing fighting for us as a football club within the club. He's the only person in a senior position who's primary goal is the same as ours.

With the instability we see around us, the manager staying and keeping his squad together is the best footballing option we have.

Why would it be a disaster ? It is constantly repeated by a few here and i still dont understand how it would be a disaster if he left ?

Is he helping reduce the loans ? NO
Is he making our financial situation worse ? YES
Under any owners, Rafa's dealings in the market would be regarded a waste.. His release of key AND less important staff members has cost the club a ton of money and signing replacements has no doubt done the same. Were they all necessary changes that had to be done ? Not to me.. He wanted things done his way because he thought it would ultimately lead to better performances on and off the pitch.. So far, its fair to say they have made things worse at both ends. As a fan, this is NOT what i want.. Rafa's primary goal IS NOT the same as mine.. His goal is to have things done his way.. if that doesnt work then he wants more money to give it another go and try something new.. doesnt work like that, never did and never should.

Another thing.. when you say fighting for us inside the club... what do you mean ?

As far as i can tell, the owners want out and Rafa, the players and the fans want the same.. Until a bid is made and accepted, none of the above mentioned people can do anything but try to make the best out of the situation.

Has Rafa done that ? NO

What Rafa fights for mate is what Rafa wants.. What he wants right now is more money... When the reports about Torres being sold came out his main concern was about whether he'd be given the money to spend or whether it would be used up by the owners to reduce debts... Sound like someone concerned about the club's financial stability or the players in his squad ? not to me...

The only person in a primary position with the same goals as ours ?

So you think the owners dont want THEIR club to succeed ? You think they enjoy the fact that we ended the season 7th with no CL and no CL money for next season ?
Enough with the nonsense already, they want us to succeed just as bad and we do.. They have different reasons for wanting it but make no mistake about it they want it all the same..

For as long as i remember i've been saying that the owners just want to sell the club at a profit.. They HAVe backed the manager up and have done so every season... The accounts from this season are out today if im not mistaken and it comes as no shock to me that our losses have increased and mainly due to player signings and staff contract terminations/signings...

As things stand, the owners have backed the manager up, they've provided the resources and he's fcked it up...

By all the means criticize the owners for all the wrong they've .. want them out all you will and protest against them and all that...

But FFS stop using them as an excuse for the manager whenever things start going wrong on the pitch.. 
Its 2 separate matters and wanting the owners out shouldnt mean that you want Rafa to stay as manager simply because he wants them out too..
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Postby Teshie » Fri May 07, 2010 1:34 pm

don't think i've ever seen a post 'backing' the owners, wow ... fail.
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Postby account deleted by request » Fri May 07, 2010 1:35 pm

:bowdown  :bowdown  :bowdown  telling it like it is Ace

Not backing the owners just putting the blame on the pitch were it belongs, and off it where it should go.
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Postby Bad Bob » Fri May 07, 2010 1:48 pm

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roberto green wrote:most probably be a load of sh!t, I should of known not to be so hasty, Andy Townsend said they have been inundated with emails saying that something about to happen on merseyside regarding Rafael Benitez

Where's Lakes when we need him  :D

Inundating Andy Townsend with emails presumably.  :D
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Postby Fauxy » Fri May 07, 2010 2:05 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
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roberto green wrote:most probably be a load of sh!t, I should of known not to be so hasty, Andy Townsend said they have been inundated with emails saying that something about to happen on merseyside regarding Rafael Benitez

Where's Lakes when we need him  :D

Inundating Andy Townsend with emails presumably.  :D

Here is an explanation to all the emails that Townsend is going on about:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=257694.0
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Postby bunglemark2 » Fri May 07, 2010 2:24 pm

Fauxy wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
s@int wrote:
roberto green wrote:most probably be a load of sh!t, I should of known not to be so hasty, Andy Townsend said they have been inundated with emails saying that something about to happen on merseyside regarding Rafael Benitez

Where's Lakes when we need him  :D

Inundating Andy Townsend with emails presumably.  :D

Here is an explanation to all the emails that Townsend is going on about:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=257694.0

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Postby Fauxy » Fri May 07, 2010 2:35 pm

Probably too many members, the Forum getting too crowded.
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Fri May 07, 2010 2:51 pm

Courtesy of the Liverpool Echo

LIVERPOOL manager Rafa Benitez will hold further talks with chairman Martin Broughton and managing director Christian Purslow in a bid to decide his future.

The Spaniard enjoyed a “constructive” discussion with the Anfield hierarchy during a meeting in London yesterday.

It was the first time Benitez had sat down with British Airways chief Broughton, who was appointed as the Reds’ independent chairman last month to oversee the sale of the club.

Benitez, who is being chased by Juventus, was hoping to secure assurances over his transfer kitty for this summer and the club’s ongoing search for new investment.

In turn Broughton and Purslow were keen to discover the manager’s intentions amid mounting speculation he could quit Anfield for the Serie A giants.

A club spokesman said: “We are pleased that the first of what is intended to be a series of meetings took place between the chairman, managing director and the manager Rafael Benitez. The meeting was constructive and cordial.

“The chairman shared his views about plans for the future of the club.

“There was an exchange of views and issues of concern to both the board and the manager which will either be addressed or be picked up on in future meetings.”

Benitez has reportedly been given until Monday to accept the offer of a four-year contract from Juventus believed to be worth £16million

His agent Manuel Garcia Quilon maintained yesterday that there is more chance of Benitez staying at Anfield than moving to Italy.

He said: “At the moment it is more likely that Rafa will remain in England.

“I can certainly say that the issue of investment is very important because this team needs new signings.”

Meanwhile, reports in America suggest co-owner Tom Hicks has been angered by the publication of comments from him which suggested it will take another two years to sell Liverpool.

The Texan was quoted as saying George Gillett and him had been owners for three years but would not be in charge for five.

That was interpreted as Hicks claiming it would take two years to sell the club but he claims it was from an interview he gave in March – before Liverpool was put up for sale.

Hicks was also quoted as saying he had paid a “terrible price” for ownership of the club.

However, he insists he was referring to his American sports teams Texas Rangers and Dallas Stars.

Meanwhile, Jamie Carragher won’t begin discussions on a new contract until the start of next season.

The 32-year-old has only one year left on his current deal but wants to see out his career at the club.

“I’ve spoken to the manager about it and we both agreed that it would be better if we talked about it at the start of next season,” he said.

“I don’t want to retire yet.

“I understand at my age you can only make decisions season by season but I want to finish my career at Liverpool. I don’t want to play for anyone else.”

Carragher and Maxi Rodriguez both face a race against time to be fit for Liverpool’s final game of the season at Hull on Sunday. Carragher twisted his ankle against Chelsea, while Rodriguez picked up an adductor injury..

In my personal opinion ,I Hope this can be resolved as soon as possible ,because this uncertainty is having a debilitating effect on the Club ,at a time when new Owners should be priority this is only serving to detract from the the real issue
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Postby account deleted by request » Fri May 07, 2010 3:22 pm

The Chairman answers questions video

Not sure it should go in here, but hardly seems worth starting a new thread
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Postby tubby » Fri May 07, 2010 3:28 pm

aCe' wrote:
stmichael wrote:Even if you have serious disagreements with his management this year you can't not see that him leaving under the current circumstances would be a disaster surely? The manager is the only thing fighting for us as a football club within the club. He's the only person in a senior position who's primary goal is the same as ours.

With the instability we see around us, the manager staying and keeping his squad together is the best footballing option we have.

Why would it be a disaster ? It is constantly repeated by a few here and i still dont understand how it would be a disaster if he left ?

Is he helping reduce the loans ? NO
Is he making our financial situation worse ? YES
Under any owners, Rafa's dealings in the market would be regarded a waste.. His release of key AND less important staff members has cost the club a ton of money and signing replacements has no doubt done the same. Were they all necessary changes that had to be done ? Not to me.. He wanted things done his way because he thought it would ultimately lead to better performances on and off the pitch.. So far, its fair to say they have made things worse at both ends. As a fan, this is NOT what i want.. Rafa's primary goal IS NOT the same as mine.. His goal is to have things done his way.. if that doesnt work then he wants more money to give it another go and try something new.. doesnt work like that, never did and never should.

Another thing.. when you say fighting for us inside the club... what do you mean ?

As far as i can tell, the owners want out and Rafa, the players and the fans want the same.. Until a bid is made and accepted, none of the above mentioned people can do anything but try to make the best out of the situation.

Has Rafa done that ? NO

What Rafa fights for mate is what Rafa wants.. What he wants right now is more money... When the reports about Torres being sold came out his main concern was about whether he'd be given the money to spend or whether it would be used up by the owners to reduce debts... Sound like someone concerned about the club's financial stability or the players in his squad ? not to me...

The only person in a primary position with the same goals as ours ?

So you think the owners dont want THEIR club to succeed ? You think they enjoy the fact that we ended the season 7th with no CL and no CL money for next season ?
Enough with the nonsense already, they want us to succeed just as bad and we do.. They have different reasons for wanting it but make no mistake about it they want it all the same..

For as long as i remember i've been saying that the owners just want to sell the club at a profit.. They HAVe backed the manager up and have done so every season... The accounts from this season are out today if im not mistaken and it comes as no shock to me that our losses have increased and mainly due to player signings and staff contract terminations/signings...

As things stand, the owners have backed the manager up, they've provided the resources and he's fcked it up...

By all the means criticize the owners for all the wrong they've .. want them out all you will and protest against them and all that...

But FFS stop using them as an excuse for the manager whenever things start going wrong on the pitch.. 
Its 2 separate matters and wanting the owners out shouldnt mean that you want Rafa to stay as manager simply because he wants them out too..

In the context of last season how have they backed him? When Rafa signed the new contract it was supposed to be around £25Mil made available for transfers plus whatever he made from sales. Instead most of what he made back was put on the debt and he also had to use what he had to sign up several of our key players.

Anything we have ever spent has been just put on the club as debt. Moores could well have done that himself if he wanted to.
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Postby Ben Patrick » Fri May 07, 2010 3:29 pm

Bav, they're two seperate issues though.

The fact that what we have spent has gone on the clubs debt doesnt detract from the fact that the manager has still spent it.
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Postby Emerald Red » Fri May 07, 2010 5:17 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:
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roberto green wrote:whats happened?

i will tell you whats happened. Half u lot bring to sentiment into our club. No man is bigger than our club. Whether its rafa or even gerrard. The club must always come first. Never mind carrying carra or gerrard for the next five years out of loyalty. If they love the club so much which they do they should understand. Because if we carry on like this we will be another leeds united i kid u not'

Shut up you tart...

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Postby tubby » Fri May 07, 2010 5:32 pm

Well at least now we know why they can't pay him off.
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Postby Reg » Fri May 07, 2010 6:04 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:
Fauxy wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
s@int wrote:
roberto green wrote:most probably be a load of sh!t, I should of known not to be so hasty, Andy Townsend said they have been inundated with emails saying that something about to happen on merseyside regarding Rafael Benitez

Where's Lakes when we need him  :D

Inundating Andy Townsend with emails presumably.  :D

Here is an explanation to all the emails that Townsend is going on about:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=257694.0

Why is the Register function disabled on RAWK ?

Its been off for about a year!
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