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by **Number 9** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:33 pm

Ciggy wrote:Anyone see that tw@t with the horses head on?

Its not a feckin stagdo gobsh!te.

That was South Coast Shankly! :cool:

by **redhayesy** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:34 pm

Dundalk wrote:
john craig wrote:Well there we go, another horse-sh.it performance from the reds.

We were lucky to come away from anything from that game imo. First half was pretty even but after we went ahead Man City started to play football and outclassed us to be honest. Wright-Phillips especially was excellent and they carved us open a few times only to mess up the final pass/shot.

I think man for man, City had better players out there today. They have weaknesses at the back, but in possession they at least looked like a team, whereas we looked disjointed - which has been the story of almost every performance this season. It's gone on too long to be put simply down to form/lack of confidence. Fact is we aren't good enough.

Mascherano played well, Gerrard looked like his normal self only in patches and Reina took a lot of pressure off the defence. Beyond that I'm struggling for positives. Kuyt looked knackered and out of form and the centre halves once again were abysmal. Lucas is growing in stature but playing him with Mascherano simply isn't working as there's no creativity at all. Insua looked out of his depth and not for the first time this season imo. Good wingers can take him apart, I have serious doubts over whether he's good enough, his complete lack of pace at his age is a concern.

Based on what I've seen so far this season I am starting to think we will struggle to finish ahead of Man City this season, especially because they will bring in yet more quality in January.

Good Post

Couldn't agree more

well i couldn't dis-agree more mate, insua out of his depth- bu11sh1t- he played well today, the fact that he was left exposed on many occasions today, the lad got stuck in, gave his all an won back possesion on more than one occasion. Aurellio was bought on to help support the lad towards the end of the game only! if he'd been out of his depth why wasn't he swapped with Aurellio in the first place? cause Raffa recognised with yossi playing so far up which is brilliant by the way! that left insua exposed more as we chased the game.

as for saying SWP carved us open - what -he was non exsistant in the first half. they were not better than us today - not for me, we didn't take our chances in both halves to kill the game off simple as that. as for our possession - we did look good in lots of the game, but as i say our midfield didn't get up in support quickly enough, that's not saying there possession or their team play was better than ours, cause i don't agree with that one bit.

by **Ciggy** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:35 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Once everyones fit I want to see this team play.

Reina

Johnson Carra Agger Aurelio

Benayoun Masch Aquilani Reira

Gerrard

Torres

Along with most of the forum I haven't seen more than 15 mins of Aquilani in action so I'm a bit suprised that you put him ahead of Gerrard in support of Torres.

Or swap them around the fella cost 20 million got to offer something with that price tag, he's supposed to be very attacking and picks out passes like Alonso with more pace.
We need more creativity in the midfield because lucas and Masch have zero flair, they just bite at players ankles and break up the play.

We need to change something the team looks very ordinary at the momment.

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:37 pm

Dazzer wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Once everyones fit I want to see this team play.

Reina

Johnson Carra Agger Aurelio

Benayoun Masch Gerrard Reira

Aquilani

Torres

Along with most of the forum I haven't seen more than 15 mins of Aquilani in action so I'm a bit suprised that you put him ahead of Gerrard in support of Torres.

Because that is the role he plays woof he is a SS/AM and Gerrard is a natural CM/AM so imo and I think ciggys Gerrard can have more impact there and so can aquaman.

It isn't. Aquilani is a roving central midfielder. Can play a holding role like Xabi did, but be more supportive of the attackers.

by **woof woof !** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:37 pm

Dazzer wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Once everyones fit I want to see this team play.

Reina

Johnson Carra Agger Aurelio

Benayoun Masch Gerrard Reira

Aquilani

Torres

Along with most of the forum I haven't seen more than 15 mins of Aquilani in action so I'm a bit suprised that you put him ahead of Gerrard in support of Torres.

Because that is the role he plays woof he is a SS/AM and Gerrard is a natural CM/AM so imo and I think ciggys Gerrard can have more impact there and so can aquaman.

Fair enough, but personally given his history I don't think Aqualani will survive in that postion.

by **Number 9** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:39 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Once everyones fit I want to see this team play.

Reina

Johnson Carra Agger Aurelio

Benayoun Masch Gerrard Reira

Aquilani

Torres

Along with most of the forum I haven't seen more than 15 mins of Aquilani in action so I'm a bit suprised that you put him ahead of Gerrard in support of Torres.

Because that is the role he plays woof he is a SS/AM and Gerrard is a natural CM/AM so imo and I think ciggys Gerrard can have more impact there and so can aquaman.

It isn't. Aquilani is a roving central midfielder. Can play a holding role like Xabi did, but be more supportive of the attackers.

He better be a Ninja or we are fecked

by **TheLad** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:41 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Once everyones fit I want to see this team play.

Reina

Johnson Carra Agger Aurelio

Benayoun Masch Gerrard Reira

Aquilani

Torres

Along with most of the forum I haven't seen more than 15 mins of Aquilani in action so I'm a bit suprised that you put him ahead of Gerrard in support of Torres.

Well that's an exciting team, will we ever see them play together?
I still prefer SG behind Torres, or changing positions with Benayoun.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:41 pm

redhayesy wrote:
Dundalk wrote:
john craig wrote:Well there we go, another horse-sh.it performance from the reds.

We were lucky to come away from anything from that game imo. First half was pretty even but after we went ahead Man City started to play football and outclassed us to be honest. Wright-Phillips especially was excellent and they carved us open a few times only to mess up the final pass/shot.

I think man for man, City had better players out there today. They have weaknesses at the back, but in possession they at least looked like a team, whereas we looked disjointed - which has been the story of almost every performance this season. It's gone on too long to be put simply down to form/lack of confidence. Fact is we aren't good enough.

Mascherano played well, Gerrard looked like his normal self only in patches and Reina took a lot of pressure off the defence. Beyond that I'm struggling for positives. Kuyt looked knackered and out of form and the centre halves once again were abysmal. Lucas is growing in stature but playing him with Mascherano simply isn't working as there's no creativity at all. Insua looked out of his depth and not for the first time this season imo. Good wingers can take him apart, I have serious doubts over whether he's good enough, his complete lack of pace at his age is a concern.

Based on what I've seen so far this season I am starting to think we will struggle to finish ahead of Man City this season, especially because they will bring in yet more quality in January.

Good Post

Couldn't agree more

well i couldn't dis-agree more mate, insua out of his depth- bu11sh1t- he played well today, the fact that he was left exposed on many occasions today, the lad got stuck in, gave his all an won back possesion on more than one occasion. Aurellio was bought on to help support the lad towards the end of the game only! if he'd been out of his depth why wasn't he swapped with Aurellio in the first place? cause Raffa recognised with yossi playing so far up which is brilliant by the way! that left insua exposed more as we chased the game.

as for saying SWP carved us open - what -he was non exsistant in the first half. they were not better than us today - not for me, we didn't take our chances in both halves to kill the game off simple as that. as for our possession - we did look good in lots of the game, but as i say our midfield didn't get up in support quickly enough, that's not saying there possession or their team play was better than ours, cause i don't agree with that one bit.

I thought we were the better side too mate, but how many chances did we create? The Lucas header (if you could call that a header) and Skrtels header in the first half (which was a brilliant save by Given) apart from that we were restricted to a couple of snapshots and scrambles.

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:41 pm

redhayesy wrote:
Dundalk wrote:
john craig wrote:Well there we go, another horse-sh.it performance from the reds.

We were lucky to come away from anything from that game imo. First half was pretty even but after we went ahead Man City started to play football and outclassed us to be honest. Wright-Phillips especially was excellent and they carved us open a few times only to mess up the final pass/shot.

I think man for man, City had better players out there today. They have weaknesses at the back, but in possession they at least looked like a team, whereas we looked disjointed - which has been the story of almost every performance this season. It's gone on too long to be put simply down to form/lack of confidence. Fact is we aren't good enough.

Mascherano played well, Gerrard looked like his normal self only in patches and Reina took a lot of pressure off the defence. Beyond that I'm struggling for positives. Kuyt looked knackered and out of form and the centre halves once again were abysmal. Lucas is growing in stature but playing him with Mascherano simply isn't working as there's no creativity at all. Insua looked out of his depth and not for the first time this season imo. Good wingers can take him apart, I have serious doubts over whether he's good enough, his complete lack of pace at his age is a concern.

Based on what I've seen so far this season I am starting to think we will struggle to finish ahead of Man City this season, especially because they will bring in yet more quality in January.

Good Post

Couldn't agree more

well i couldn't dis-agree more mate, insua out of his depth- bu11sh1t- he played well today, the fact that he was left exposed on many occasions today, the lad got stuck in, gave his all an won back possesion on more than one occasion. Aurellio was bought on to help support the lad towards the end of the game only! if he'd been out of his depth why wasn't he swapped with Aurellio in the first place? cause Raffa recognised with yossi playing so far up which is brilliant by the way! that left insua exposed more as we chased the game.

as for saying SWP carved us open - what -he was non exsistant in the first half. they were not better than us today - not for me, we didn't take our chances in both halves to kill the game off simple as that. as for our possession - we did look good in lots of the game, but as i say our midfield didn't get up in support quickly enough, that's not saying there possession or their team play was better than ours, cause i don't agree with that one bit.

Spot on about Insua. Had a discussion last night about him with a fella who thought he was tripe. My argument was that he just needs someone in front of him to give him a bit more support. Babel is a gobshyte and isn't willing to do that, his departure didn't help either. Benayoun did well in helping him out when possible, but I'd rather not see Yossi in that part of the pitch. People give Reira a lot of stick, but one thing he does do that works well for the full back is that he hugs the touchline giving the full-back something to hit each time he lifts his head looking for support. He gives good balance.

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:45 pm

Speaking of Babel, he's a bloody joke. Sure he might have had a sore knock, but the tw@t didn't even want to know after that. He didn't even want to try and run it off. Gerrard had to go over to him and lift him up. The man's mind is somehwere else other than LFC. Get rid.

by **JC_81** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:47 pm

redhayesy wrote:
Dundalk wrote:
john craig wrote:Well there we go, another horse-sh.it performance from the reds.

We were lucky to come away from anything from that game imo. First half was pretty even but after we went ahead Man City started to play football and outclassed us to be honest. Wright-Phillips especially was excellent and they carved us open a few times only to mess up the final pass/shot.

I think man for man, City had better players out there today. They have weaknesses at the back, but in possession they at least looked like a team, whereas we looked disjointed - which has been the story of almost every performance this season. It's gone on too long to be put simply down to form/lack of confidence. Fact is we aren't good enough.

Mascherano played well, Gerrard looked like his normal self only in patches and Reina took a lot of pressure off the defence. Beyond that I'm struggling for positives. Kuyt looked knackered and out of form and the centre halves once again were abysmal. Lucas is growing in stature but playing him with Mascherano simply isn't working as there's no creativity at all. Insua looked out of his depth and not for the first time this season imo. Good wingers can take him apart, I have serious doubts over whether he's good enough, his complete lack of pace at his age is a concern.

Based on what I've seen so far this season I am starting to think we will struggle to finish ahead of Man City this season, especially because they will bring in yet more quality in January.

Good Post

Couldn't agree more

well i couldn't dis-agree more mate, insua out of his depth- bu11sh1t- he played well today, the fact that he was left exposed on many occasions today, the lad got stuck in, gave his all an won back possesion on more than one occasion. Aurellio was bought on to help support the lad towards the end of the game only! if he'd been out of his depth why wasn't he swapped with Aurellio in the first place? cause Raffa recognised with yossi playing so far up which is brilliant by the way! that left insua exposed more as we chased the game.

as for saying SWP carved us open - what -he was non exsistant in the first half. they were not better than us today - not for me, we didn't take our chances in both halves to kill the game off simple as that. as for our possession - we did look good in lots of the game, but as i say our midfield didn't get up in support quickly enough, that's not saying there possession or their team play was better than ours, cause i don't agree with that one bit.

Sorry mate I just can't believe that assessment of what happened today. I mean everyone has an opinion, but fu.ck me, how you can't admit we were second best today is beyond me.

Insua isn't good enough. He has zero pace which is not good enough for a full back in the premier league. He had a five yard start on Phillips for a ball over the top near the end of the first half and still got beaten to the ball. The rest of his game isn't good enough to compensate for him being slow and therefore he isn't good enough. He wasn't brought off because Benayoun was obviously not fully fit and needed to come off, but Benitez spotted that we were getting shafted by Wright-Phillips and had to get Aurelio on to protect Insua - which he did, and City looked less of a threat for it.

It was the same in the game against United. We won, but Insua was the weak link, Valencia tortured him, as every decent winger seems to do.

I'm not making the lad a scapegoat, he's a decent young player and he is not the reason we lost today, nor the reason why we are doing badly this season, it's just my opinion that he isn't good enough for a team with aspirations to be in the Premiership top 4 and even win the league.

by **Number 9** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:51 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
redhayesy wrote:
Dundalk wrote:
john craig wrote:Well there we go, another horse-sh.it performance from the reds.

We were lucky to come away from anything from that game imo. First half was pretty even but after we went ahead Man City started to play football and outclassed us to be honest. Wright-Phillips especially was excellent and they carved us open a few times only to mess up the final pass/shot.

I think man for man, City had better players out there today. They have weaknesses at the back, but in possession they at least looked like a team, whereas we looked disjointed - which has been the story of almost every performance this season. It's gone on too long to be put simply down to form/lack of confidence. Fact is we aren't good enough.

Mascherano played well, Gerrard looked like his normal self only in patches and Reina took a lot of pressure off the defence. Beyond that I'm struggling for positives. Kuyt looked knackered and out of form and the centre halves once again were abysmal. Lucas is growing in stature but playing him with Mascherano simply isn't working as there's no creativity at all. Insua looked out of his depth and not for the first time this season imo. Good wingers can take him apart, I have serious doubts over whether he's good enough, his complete lack of pace at his age is a concern.

Based on what I've seen so far this season I am starting to think we will struggle to finish ahead of Man City this season, especially because they will bring in yet more quality in January.

Good Post

Couldn't agree more

well i couldn't dis-agree more mate, insua out of his depth- bu11sh1t- he played well today, the fact that he was left exposed on many occasions today, the lad got stuck in, gave his all an won back possesion on more than one occasion. Aurellio was bought on to help support the lad towards the end of the game only! if he'd been out of his depth why wasn't he swapped with Aurellio in the first place? cause Raffa recognised with yossi playing so far up which is brilliant by the way! that left insua exposed more as we chased the game.

as for saying SWP carved us open - what -he was non exsistant in the first half. they were not better than us today - not for me, we didn't take our chances in both halves to kill the game off simple as that. as for our possession - we did look good in lots of the game, but as i say our midfield didn't get up in support quickly enough, that's not saying there possession or their team play was better than ours, cause i don't agree with that one bit.

Spot on about Insua. Had a discussion last night about him with a fella who thought he was tripe. My argument was that he just needs someone in front of him to give him a bit more support. Babel is a gobshyte and isn't willing to do that, his departure didn't help either. Benayoun did well in helping him out when possible, but I'd rather not see Yossi in that part of the pitch. People give Reira a lot of stick, but one thing he does do that works well for the full back is that he hugs the touchline giving the full-back something to hit each time he lifts his head looking for support. He gives good balance.

Mate Insua is a poor mans stopgap....never good enough....he is just not good enough to play for LFC or any other top 4 club..simple!

You can put Pele on Maradonnas back in front of him but he will still be Insua....very poor player

by **Toffeehater** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:52 pm

why the feck don't we have man on post , yes we can zonal mark but we shud have man on posts !

by **JC_81** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:54 pm

Toffeehater wrote:why the feck don't we have man on post , yes we can zonal mark but we shud have man on posts !

...or we could just start heading the fu.cking thing away!! That would be simpler mate!

by **tubby** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:55 pm

Toffeehater wrote:why the feck don't we have man on post , yes we can zonal mark but we shud have man on posts !

Skrtel should have been marking him but once again has shown he isn't good enough.

I feel a bit sorry for Babel. He got a starting place and looked pretty lively and then goes and gets injured. Anyone know what happened to him? Is he available for midweek?

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