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[The Manhattan Project]

Hicks had the LFC crest embossed onto his cowboy boots.

He will never sell LFC.

He's sick of that purple-nosed Jock at Man Utd.

He wants to destroy him.

[Emerald Red]

[b]Hicks had the LFC crest embossed onto his cowboy boots.

That don't mean sh*t until he gets it embossed on the back of his b*llocks. Then I'll be half impressed.

[Kharhaz]

I don't know if there is any truth in this (seems unlikely to me ), but my mate has told me that Gillett is trying to find a buyer for Hick's half of Liverpool, Hicks wants out, and thats why Hicks wont agree to any buying or selling until the situation is finalised. Hicks wants to wait till after we have qualified for the next stage of the Champs League before selling as obviously that would put the club finances in a better light.

Hicks and Gillett are both fuming with Rafa because his highlighting of problems at this time could ruin delicate negotiation and blow the whole deal.

It sounds pretty far fetched to me, how the hell could anyone know all that

Makes a lot of sense, though. Plus I think I read a post on RAWk that mentions that Hicks wants out.

RAWK. Thats where its at. Im looking in the wrong place ! Why are more and more people quoting comments from RAWK on here? Do they know something we dont?

[Rush Job]

Hicks had the LFC crest embossed onto his cowboy boots.

He will never sell LFC.

He's sick of that purple-nosed Jock at Man Utd.

He wants to destroy him.

I dout he even knows who Ferguson is, he thinks their called Man ham for christ sake.

[The Manhattan Project]

Hicks had the LFC crest embossed onto his cowboy boots.

He will never sell LFC.

He's sick of that purple-nosed Jock at Man Utd.

He wants to destroy him.

I dout he even knows who Ferguson is, he thinks their called Man ham for christ sake.

Well he seemed sure that they were the team to surpass.

And he's right. They are.

[66-1112520797]

I'd love to know whats running through the mind of David Moores right now. Firstly I am not blaming him for selling the club to the Yanks. Like him and from what I could gather from interviews etc I was reasonbly happy to hear what the Yanks were saying. Moores wouldnt of sold this club to just anyone, but I bet he isnt happy with this current situation.

Who is running the club ?

Is the Yanks via email ! I'm sorry but this is not in anyway shape or form the way to manage a club of this size and magnitude. Does any other owner run their club from the otherside of the globe?

Rafa has his faults, and I can see both sides of the arguements. But the Yanks lack of willingness to get their American @rses over here pronto must be causing a huge rift and breakdown in communications. Its a full-time job hicks!
Where is this Foster Gillete, read he's flown back to the U.S after the Arsenal game. F.ucking Yanks have got a poor attention span, he probably couldnt understand and appreciate the game because it didnt have a high scoring points total 44-12, or a funny shaped ball.

Rick Parry shouldnt be in the job IMO, he's fuc.king useless IMHO and aparently he's gone awol. What Rick, your in Barbados and your mobile's ran out of batteries.

What is going on here, 'apparently' Hicks and Gillete are not happy with our results against Pompey and Brum, the fact that Torres wasnt played, the fact we arent top of the league etc etc. Now I now some of that sounds like me  with the rotation of Torres and poor results against both Blues. But any common fan wouldnt expect the manager to be sacked co-insided with personality clashes and what not.

I can critise Rafa and do, but if I was in their position I wouldnt sack him or openly demean the bloke to the press. Rafa was childish in his interview also and no doubt that would of stirred up the honey pot.

But I kind of see where Rafa is coming from here regarding the cultural differences in the World of Football. They dont understand it, I understand the game better than them, they only understand money. And it appears to me this is just an investment toy for them, our club. Feck me, IF these rumours are right that Hicks and Gillete arent happy with Rafa's results and that fact he is looking out for the good of our club. They can f.uck right off, I've been waiting to see them win the league for 17 years and if they think the can waltz and just expect to win it they've got another thing coming the dozey tw@ts, it wont happen over night, it wont happen as efficiently if nobody is running the club, it wont happen if their in the land of fat people. 

Some of my info came from ciggy.

[Ciggy]

Wenger backs Rafa shocker.

Wenger Out In Defence Of Benitez

Arsene Wenger has come out in defence of the work Rafa Benitez has done at Liverpool, and spoken out against the tendency to sack coaches a little to soon.


The Frenchman has hit out at the politics in football, and at off the pitch issues interfering with managers' careers, particularly in the wake of some recent happenings in the Premier League.

Focussing exclusively on the situation at Liverpool, he suggested that Rafa Benitez should be backed by the club's American owners, and allowed to do what he himself, and Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United, have done.

"Maybe there is an analysis to do about politics in the modern game," he said.

"Benítez has done remarkably well and certainly what's happening at Liverpool is not down to the sport or to results, it's down to other, internal differences.

"Apparently, there are differences. I have always had the support of my board and I think Ferguson had that as well, and we are the longest-serving managers in the league. There's no secret in it."

Internal differences have already cost Jose Mourinho his job earlier this season, and there are suggestions that Rafa could also find himself on the outer unless things improve.

Foreign Ownership To Blame?

Wenger also had a little dig at foreign owners who come in but know little about the way football works.

"They [the Arsenal board] understand that there is no success without that but, of course, you need a bit of experience to understand that and I'm not sure that everybody just coming and buying [clubs] understands that," he said.

"The only thing I can say is that I have had the freedom to work since I arrived at Arsenal. I can't remember my board saying 'No' to me."

Wenger and Benitez have seldom seen eye to eye over the past twelve months, but these words will most certainly be music to the Spaniard's ears.
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[Sabre]

Balague says in AS.COM Kaladze is the first player we've lost due to all this inner spat. He also echoes that Rafa is trying to appease the american managers with an olive branch and that Rafa has the support of the crowd. He also says that Rick Parry is using the situation to strenhthen his position in the club, where he has lost power in recent times.

The other rumours spread in Spain (Marca) have quoted an english paper that should not be quoted

Spanish fans are massively telling in message boards to the Spanish F.A sports director Fernando Hierro to put on hold the appointment of Del Bosque for Spanish squad and give the job to Rafa.

BTW, I agree the thread starter on that the club cannot be run from America

[dawson99]

actually ciggy, from living in london i can say that the gooners and liverpool fans have a real good relationship down here. there is a LOT of banter, bt overall the northern baddies are the mancs and the southern baddies are chelsea.

nice to see managers sticking up for each other for a change tho

[Ciggy]

Excellent post from Juan Loco off RAWK.

question? Hmm...

Why are you seemingly on the verge of sacking the best thing to happen to this club in my lifetime and in favour of backing a brown-nosing, self-satisfying fuck up who can't do his job properly. A man who everyone recognises as fucking hopeless at his job, whether that be at simply getting a transfer done or at changing the date of a game so it doesn't coincide with the anniversary of the darkest day in our club history?

You bunch of self-serving, attention seeking cockmunchers. I hope you enjoyed your little bullshit lap of honour in Athens because it's the closest thing you'll ever get to being able to emerse yourself with the fans in any moment of triumph (or disaster) from now on. Fuck off with your crass money throwing and oscentacious cowboy boots. off with your Snoogy Doogys and your 'drunken sailors' and go ruin some souless American franchise instead of the greatest sports team on earth you pair of utter kunts.


If Rafa goes it won't be the end of Liverpool football club, though it will be one of the darker days in it's history and the death of another small part of the culture that makes this club so unique. In getting rid of a charming, charismatic winner who embodies what every older generation supporter has told me is The Liverpool Way they'll be upsetting alot of people. And it's not just a case of people jumping ship because Rafa could be gone. It's a case of people showing disgust at the way these to Yanks are ready to cut out part of the heart and soul of this club because of a disagreement. It could have been Shankly, Paisley or Dalglish that made those commetns. I don't think any of them would have rested on their laurels and accepted some second rate, office-savvy clown being put in charge of moving this team forward.

If you get rid of Rafa you get rid of a man who refers to the club, the supporters and the city as 'his'. You get rid of a man who can spend 45 minutes in a pub, mingling with the supporters, 24 hours before taking us through to a Champions League quater final. You get rid of a man who oozes class, who understands what issues (even away from football) means to the fans, but doesn't dwell on them and use them as spin. Would the American's have mentioned Michael Shields in anyway? Do they even know who he is? Have they been spotted wearing JFT96 pins? I doubt it. Why bother with a subtle, understated show of understanding when you can have Liverbird cowboy boots. Fucking tools.

If they get rid of Benitez they get rid of a way of doing things at Liverpool. They might aswell bring back McNasty's in the Kop, stick Mourinho in charge, and revamp the The Hillsborough Justice Campaign Shop into the Hillsborough Megastore. Maybe we can watch the Paisley's Peaches cheerleaders at half-time, that's if we're not too busy deciding whether to pay £5 for a ShanklyDog or a Fagan Falafel, either will go well with a KennyCola. It's .

To Rafa Benitez it's His club, His Supporters, His City. To the yanks it's just another business. So I guess an appropriate follow-up question might be "do you know what a bunch of soul-sucking kunts you really are, and do you really expect people to accept this?"

[66-1112520797]

that is a good post from Juan.

[club_Levis]

I'd love to know whats running through the mind of David Moores right now. Firstly I am not blaming him for selling the club to the Yanks. Like him and from what I could gather from interviews etc I was reasonbly happy to hear what the Yanks were saying. Moores wouldnt of sold this club to just anyone, but I bet he isnt happy with this current situation.

Who is running the club ?

Is the Yanks via email ! I'm sorry but this is not in anyway shape or form the way to manage a club of this size and magnitude. Does any other owner run their club from the otherside of the globe?

Rafa has his faults, and I can see both sides of the arguements. But the Yanks lack of willingness to get their American @rses over here pronto must be causing a huge rift and breakdown in communications. Its a full-time job hicks!
Where is this Foster Gillete, read he's flown back to the U.S after the Arsenal game. F.ucking Yanks have got a poor attention span, he probably couldnt understand and appreciate the game because it didnt have a high scoring points total 44-12, or a funny shaped ball.

Rick Parry shouldnt be in the job IMO, he's fuc.king useless IMHO and aparently he's gone awol. What Rick, your in Barbados and your mobile's ran out of batteries.

What is going on here, 'apparently' Hicks and Gillete are not happy with our results against Pompey and Brum, the fact that Torres wasnt played, the fact we arent top of the league etc etc. Now I now some of that sounds like me  with the rotation of Torres and poor results against both Blues. But any common fan wouldnt expect the manager to be sacked co-insided with personality clashes and what not.

I can critise Rafa and do, but if I was in their position I wouldnt sack him or openly demean the bloke to the press. Rafa was childish in his interview also and no doubt that would of stirred up the honey pot.

But I kind of see where Rafa is coming from here regarding the cultural differences in the World of Football. They dont understand it, I understand the game better than them, they only understand money. And it appears to me this is just an investment toy for them, our club. Feck me, IF these rumours are right that Hicks and Gillete arent happy with Rafa's results and that fact he is looking out for the good of our club. They can f.uck right off, I've been waiting to see them win the league for 17 years and if they think the can waltz and just expect to win it they've got another thing coming the dozey tw@ts, it wont happen over night, it wont happen as efficiently if nobody is running the club, it wont happen if their in the land of fat people. 

Some of my info came from ciggy.

   

[Paul C]

Maybe we can watch the Paisley's Peaches cheerleaders at half-time, that's if we're not too busy deciding whether to pay £5 for a ShanklyDog or a Fagan Falafel, either will go well with a KennyCola.


Preach Brother Juan 

[bunglemark2]

In all honesty, I believe it's only a matter of time. Even if Rafa does offer an olive branch to G&H, from what I perceive of the man, he'll go himself rather than lose the confidence and belief of the players. Reading this morning and previous to today, if Rafa goes, that's also the end of Alonso and Reina, and most likely Masch will do a runner because of the delay in putting pen to paper.
I also think G&H won't permit themselves to be undermined by an employee who questions their authority or makes decisions without consulting them. To be honest, maybe Rafa was wrong on that - after all, he can't commit to pursuin contract closure on Masch or others unless he has the authority to sign the cheques himself.
All in all, I do think it's the end of the Rafa era and the knock-on effects are going to be long and difficult
Amen

[bigmick]

There is IMHO the distinct possibility that if harnessed properly, the strength of feeling which is being displayed throughout the World by Liverpool supporters might just propel the team to a level of greatness that this particular bunch have never visited previously.

Other managers have worked tirelessly to create a "them and us", the "team against the World" mentality and now we are in a situation where such a scenario is really happening before the players eyes. I think we'll see off Porto without too many problems, and then it seems to me we are two victories away from making Rafa practically unsackable. Beat the Mancs at home and Marseilles away and nobody could pull the trigger on the manager then.

I'm just a little concerned by the apparent lack of any vocal support in the press from the players. I'm not overly surprised that Crouch isn't on the back page of every paper extolling the selection methods of Rafa, but a word from the captain wouldn't have gone amiss.

There's no question though that if do it right, we can create a little bunker mentality and make ourselves a very difficult team indeed to play against.