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[neil]

come on Rafa, do the Brown thing and step down to save our club so we can keep Torres

What you talkin about 

Thats what I thought Nan as well..... 

pretty straight forward, Rafa- resign like Brown.

Goes to show you can misread posts, of course I know, as does Nan that Brown has offered to step down, but dont see the parallel, why would Rafa want to step down? Hence Nan's question and my comment.

goes to show you can misread 19 defeats in one season    .Like Brown he has screwed up however Brown falls on his sword like a honourable man.

[Reg]

Brown has come to the end of his political career, he´s finished, Rafa has had a poor season but he hasn't reached the same point as Brown.

Real football isnt like playing football cards and nightmare seasons do happen.

If you want a happy ending, ask Avram. Rafa has to buck up for sure, no one is doubting that but sack a proven manager after one season? Geddaway.

[NANNY RED]

Lakes, there is no proof whatsoever that both gerrard and torres wants to leave the club because of rafa... So stop spouting ...

I agree 100%. It makes me laugh when people in the media come out and say that they've heard from "sources" that Gerrard doesn't like Rafa and other such nonsense. I bet he wasn't saying the same when the manager was the first to come and and back him up 100% when he was in court last year.

Fark me - great minds think alike....yet when I try to make an issue of the unadulterated cack this numpty (lakes10) posts, I have mods like Woof Woof threatening to "sanction" me for it...

What i will say is that in this case there is no smoke without fire.
Yes i feel SOME of the media reports have been far off but some have go a lot of truthin them.

In my view Rafa lost the back of the team some time ago and due to this Torres is finding it hard to play for him, I also think there are other players in our team that feel the same, When torres was taken off in that game we found out what SG made of it.

we lost Alsono due to Rafa..it was not down to money it was not down to a better offer, it was donw to the way he was treated by Rafa.

When Torres was taken off in THAT game we also found out he needed a knee operation sharpish,

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Very surprised to see that no one has mentioned  John Aldridge on LFC.TV yesterday saying that only 30% still support Rafa. RAWK was in meltdown until they locked the topic. LINK Now of course its " you Aldridge you tw@t!" over on Rawk.

[puroresu]

Brown has come to the end of his political career, he´s finished, Rafa has had a poor season but he hasn't reached the same point as Brown.

Real football isnt like playing football cards and nightmare seasons do happen.

If you want a happy ending, ask Avram. Rafa has to buck up for sure, no one is doubting that but sack a proven manager after one season? Geddaway.

One season?  One disgraceful season you mean and another one without a trophy.  A bad season would of been scraping 4th place.

The question is do you think we will be any better next season under Rafa. I dont think we will.

[NANNY RED]

Very surprised to see that no one has mentioned  John Aldridge on LFC.TV yesterday saying that only 30% still support Rafa. RAWK was in meltdown until they locked the topic. LINK Now of course its " you Aldridge you tw@t!" over on Rawk.

  He must of got the hump when that fella phoned in the other night and said Aldridge for manager an everyone laughed at him, 

Nah i like Aldridge .

[neil]

Real football isnt like playing football cards and nightmare seasons do happen.....

I entertained your wittering until this point. Anyway you have a different view to me.

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Lakes, there is no proof whatsoever that both gerrard and torres wants to leave the club because of rafa... So stop spouting ...

I agree 100%. It makes me laugh when people in the media come out and say that they've heard from "sources" that Gerrard doesn't like Rafa and other such nonsense. I bet he wasn't saying the same when the manager was the first to come and and back him up 100% when he was in court last year.

Fark me - great minds think alike....yet when I try to make an issue of the unadulterated cack this numpty (lakes10) posts, I have mods like Woof Woof threatening to "sanction" me for it...

What i will say is that in this case there is no smoke without fire.
Yes i feel SOME of the media reports have been far off but some have go a lot of truthin them.

In my view Rafa lost the back of the team some time ago and due to this Torres is finding it hard to play for him, I also think there are other players in our team that feel the same, When torres was taken off in that game we found out what SG made of it.

we lost Alsono due to Rafa..it was not down to money it was not down to a better offer, it was donw to the way he was treated by Rafa.

When Torres was taken off in THAT game we also found out he needed a knee operation sharpish,

But as Torres said HIMSELF, he actually hurt his knee in the early minutes of the NEXT GAME against Benfica.

[The Good Yank]

But as Torres said HIMSELF, he actually hurt his knee in the early minutes of the NEXT GAME against Benfica.

Rafa is a psychic!!!  And here we were thinking he couldn't man manage 

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But as Torres said HIMSELF, he actually hurt his knee in the early minutes of the NEXT GAME against Benfica.

Rafa is a psychic!!!  And here we were thinking he couldn't man manage 

Maybe he should have resigned before this season then 

[lakes10]

Very surprised to see that no one has mentioned  John Aldridge on LFC.TV yesterday saying that only 30% still support Rafa. RAWK was in meltdown until they locked the topic. LINK Now of course its " you Aldridge you tw@t!" over on Rawk.

off air Aldridge said that Rafa should have gone before xmas, i posted  about it then....he and i both got called names then lol

kieep in mind that Aldridge is a bit like the wind and chages all the time lol

[Kharhaz]

Very surprised to see that no one has mentioned  John Aldridge on LFC.TV yesterday saying that only 30% still support Rafa. RAWK was in meltdown until they locked the topic. LINK Now of course its " you Aldridge you tw@t!" over on Rawk.

One post that made me laugh:

Aldo should shut the up. He has no business steaming into these interviews with ridiculous claims like that. He is doing more harm than good by stating like that - has he done a poll of all liverpool fans?

He seems to be one of these right knobheads who "sing when they're winning" but as soon as things start going wrong he's there with his hatchet ready to chop the same people he was lauding not long before.

Someone should send them a note saying "RAWK are 83% behind Rafa so you Aldridge you !"

Aldridge has every right to say what he has as he is a legend. And secondly almost everyone on RAWK type not with red tinted specs but with the full blown red eye !

[Kharhaz]

Another post of RAWK, and the reply which sums up that site to a tee:

When do you Rafa should of been sacked in

2005 when he won the CL and was Runner up in the Carling Cup
2006 when he won the Fa Cup and had a Record 82 points
2007 when he Reached the Champions League final and finished 3rd in the League
2008 when he went out of the CL semi final in extra time and finished closer to the title winners than the 5th team
2009 when we Finished 2nd with a record 86 points and got knocked out of the CL by Chelsea after scaring the life out of them.

Looking at that the only time you could ever think of sacking the manager is this season where the club is up for sale and on the brink of going under. It's like standing on the bridge of the titanic after the iceberg has struck saying that wall could do with a lick of paint.

Have a look at the club's accounts and see what happened in January when LFC one of the world's great clubs had to go grovelling to the banks for a short term loan to keep the club going. We had to do this not once but twice if you think things like that don't impact on the playing side of the club then you are completely stark raving mad.

The reply:

This post needs to be laminated and given to every fan to read and re-read over the summer.  Well said.

2005. Rafas first year, he won the champions league. If ever any manager wanted a good start, rafa got it. I will never dispute him for what he achieved that season. The fact he won the champions league forever will he remain a legend for that alone. You could argue it was Houlliers players he won it with, but rafa made the most of what he had to work with and achieved the best he could.

2006. We won the FA cup. Wasnt that final named the "Steven Gerrard final"? We should have lost that game, Gerrard pulled off a miracle to win it for us, and even then it took a penalty shoot out.

2007. It has been mentioned before about the tactics rafa chose for that game. Our best striker on the bench, to be introduced late on in the game.

2008.

when he went out of the CL semi final in extra time and finished closer to the title winners than the 5th team

apparently, this is a support for rafa !

2009.

when we Finished 2nd with a record 86 points and got knocked out of the CL by Chelsea after scaring the life out of them.

we scared chelsea !

Dear god. Thats why RAWK is tedious. Apparently, his points should be laminated and be shown to all LFC supporters !

[metalhead]

We won 0 trophies for the past 4 years and that's a FACT. We got 7th this year - FACT. Aston Villa finished ahead of us FACT.

Embarressing if u ask me, a club like us should be at least challenging for honours every season

[Sir Roger]

Made by a lad on RAWK . Well i like it , think abit of Emerald reds work is in there aswell .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xunGQCJqrJQ&feature=player_embedded

You know, mate, I don't think there's any question that Rafa's has had to follow a sell before you buy policy to finance a lot of transfers and that has taken a toll in terms of the kind of talent we can go shopping for each transfer window.

But... (and it's a big but for me)

No one put a gun to his head and forced him to sign some of the dross he did.  In fact, I'd have much rather have seen Rafa sit on his hands over the last two seasons and work on getting the best out of the players he had than play the transfer window roulette game.  Why?  Because he seems to have almost systematically sold better players in order to free up funds to buy worse players.  In fact, if you really want to cry, play that youtube video backward and look who we've shipped out to bring some of them lads in.  Riise for Dossena, Bellamy for Ngog, Crouch for Voronin, Kewell for Babel, Finnan for Degen, etc.  IMHO, he didn't need to show so many good players the door in the past couple of seasons and he surely could have done much better in selecting their replacements, even without a cash injection from the owners.

Some could argue that Rafa is a disturbed individual who cant make his mind up on what his best team is. He has to constantly change personell, both players and coaching staff. There must be a reason for this? He has had, as you said, far better players than he has now. But, for whatever reason, he has shown them the door.
Ive said before there is a pattern there for any psychologists among us (professional or amateur) to study and analyse. My take is that he is constantly looking for the players who fit his ideal preffered formation. Sometimes he has them but his inability to engage and man-manage causes friction and conflict (real or imagined) and they have to go.
Rafa, in other words, is looking for a perfection he cannot find, hence the revolving door policy. If he would try and accept that players have limitations and concentrate on their individual strengths to benefit the team then maybe he would find contentment.
As it is he is unhappy, which is makng us unhappy...