Liverpool FC Forum

[Reg]

but when you can know something about its future:D

You need a crystal ball to know whats going on at the moment!

Lakes10 has got 2 crystal balls but the view is 'cloudy'.

[Reg]

Question:

why does everyone think our next manager has to have a proven track record or won leagues before?


None of Liverpools title winning managers had won a league trophy before managing at Anfield.

Our current manager who has won league titles before hasn't managed to win the league during his 6 years here.

Big European clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona employ managers who haven't won a league titles before (Guadiola, Schuster) and they won league titles.

Yes, experience is good, but so is a young manager with knowledge and passion.

For me its best man to take Liverpool forward. I dont care if they've not managed a top 4 club before, or not won a league title. Someone who knows their snizzle, good in the transfer market and has pride and passion, and can get the most of of their players. Thats what I want.

Equally damaging is when these high profile managers leave they take the entire backroom staff with them leaving the club completely vunerable.

I would be up for a British manager with a British bootroom that work for the club not the manager.  I´m not for Hodgson but he might be tempted and I might be convinced also if he was offered a 2 or 3 year fixed term contract to provide instant stability whilst we rebuild the bootroom.  He´d probably retiure after 2-3 years anyway thus wouldnt want to take a backroom staff anywhere. It would allow us to develop staff and groom someone for the managers role. After that all bootroom staff contracts are with the club, not linked to the manager and somehow containing penalties if they left to follow a manager.

That way someone like Carra could get on the bottom rung of the ladder and work his way up, or we could poach the Port Vale coach, or Middlesborough etc.. and they´d know they´re in a protected system with job security regardless of the coming and going of a particular manager. It would also serve to break this silly and very expensive system of management teams that are holding clubs to ransom at present and maybe more importantly stop managers like Houllier and Benitez bringing hundreds of French and Spanish players to clubs who never work out.

Lets rebuild from a home base.

No one likes this idea?

We all want another european uber-manager coming in with his team only to walk out on us again in 3 years?

Capello, Maureen, Lippi, Hiddink - you think if any one of them came they´d stay for more than 3 years? They´re carousel managers.

We have to appoint the right manager who will commit long term to the Reds.

[shabelle50]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8660055.stm

So Benitez was to meet Broughton last week and the week before but cancelled both meetings. I thought Benitez gave the impression at the weekend the lack of meetings was not down to him.

He's clearly weighing up his options and is making the best of the situation to his own advantage particularly if Juve don't want to pay compensation to secure his services. I'd be staggered if Sammy Lee doesn't pick the team on sunday at Hull. I can see a press conference being called by Friday in Italy if not in Liverpool.

[bunglemark2]

Reg, I think the likelihood of a manager staying with a club longer than 3 years is extremely slim, tbh, especially at the bigger name clubs. Granted, there are exceptions - Whiskeynose, Wenger - but they're the exception rather than the norm...What you tend to see is a demand for quick results, for silverware in Season 1 (Mourinho and Guardiola were BOTH expected to produced a cup(s) in Year 1), and it would be the same with LFC.
There's no way even the fans here will accept an untested manager, or give him the time - read: years ! - to produce a winning formula....All the while, we would slip further and further behind the others...

[tonyeh]

What's all this fuss about demanding a meeting with the board, eh ? He has 4 years of a 5 year contract to run, so it's not as if he's demanding reassurances about his future, is it ? He has a cast-iron guarantee that he WILL be there at the start of next season, unless the club decides to get rid, in which case he will receive a great big phuck-off pay out, thank you very much...
I believe what he is doing is showmanship - echoing the players demands in the press, and now showing a sign of solidarity (at least, to the outside world) that the players and coaching staff demand answers. If he didn't vocalise what the players are also saying, that would definitely be the end of him, 'cos even if he were here at the start of next season, by NOT agreeing with the players, it would mean they wouldn't play for him...
I think he's a cagy little fecker, this man....

Mmmm...I certainly don't rate Benitez as the "genius" on the pitch that some do. But, he's definitely a genius when it comes to negotiating the terms and conditions of his employment.

How anyone could manover his/her employers into signing an ok to pay out 16 mill for a sacking is beyond me.

That really was tactical genius.

[Reg]

Thats why I said to bring in Hodgson for 3 years whilst a proper understudy could learn teh ways before taking over. I still think its a valid proposal, long term, however maybe Gerrard and Torres would walk away at the prospect.

[Emerald Red]

but when you can know something about its future:D

You need a crystal ball to know whats going on at the moment!

Lakes10 has got 2 crystal balls but the view is 'cloudy'.

Lakes doesn't read crystal balls. Like the tea leaf method, Lakes likes to read the bottom of his toilet bowl for the patterns after pebble dashing it with his own sh*t.

[SouthCoastShankly]

What's all this fuss about demanding a meeting with the board, eh ? He has 4 years of a 5 year contract to run, so it's not as if he's demanding reassurances about his future, is it ? He has a cast-iron guarantee that he WILL be there at the start of next season, unless the club decides to get rid, in which case he will receive a great big phuck-off pay out, thank you very much...
I believe what he is doing is showmanship - echoing the players demands in the press, and now showing a sign of solidarity (at least, to the outside world) that the players and coaching staff demand answers. If he didn't vocalise what the players are also saying, that would definitely be the end of him, 'cos even if he were here at the start of next season, by NOT agreeing with the players, it would mean they wouldn't play for him...
I think he's a cagy little fecker, this man....

Mmmm...I certainly don't rate Benitez as the "genius" on the pitch that some do. But, he's definitely a genius when it comes to negotiating the terms and conditions of his employment.

How anyone could manover his/her employers into signing an ok to pay out 16 mill for a sacking is beyond me.

That really was tactical genius.

Yeah but the £16m isn't a fixed sum. It is a refection of the value of his remaining contract. The value would decrease for every year of his contract that expired.

I think he is on £5m per year.

[ironman]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8660055.stm

So Benitez was to meet Broughton last week and the week before but cancelled both meetings. I thought Benitez gave the impression at the weekend the lack of meetings was not down to him.

He's clearly weighing up his options and is making the best of the situation to his own advantage particularly if Juve don't want to pay compensation to secure his services. I'd be staggered if Sammy Lee doesn't pick the team on sunday at Hull. I can see a press conference being called by Friday in Italy if not in Liverpool.

For goodness sake... its obvious that our God Rafa is on his way.. and thru his own choice which is even more worrying.... broken promises etc sounds very familiar doesnt it?? we need to get going in our recruitment of our new manager... someone to revitalise our great club,, and also play the Liverpool way... hearing joe cole is a possibility is the first great news iv heard in a long time.. thats the quality we need.. and irregardless of anyones opinion,, i do think our great club is STILL a very very attractive proposition for alot of top managers... Mourinho or van gael for me...

[Emerald Red]

What's all this fuss about demanding a meeting with the board, eh ? He has 4 years of a 5 year contract to run, so it's not as if he's demanding reassurances about his future, is it ? He has a cast-iron guarantee that he WILL be there at the start of next season, unless the club decides to get rid, in which case he will receive a great big phuck-off pay out, thank you very much...
I believe what he is doing is showmanship - echoing the players demands in the press, and now showing a sign of solidarity (at least, to the outside world) that the players and coaching staff demand answers. If he didn't vocalise what the players are also saying, that would definitely be the end of him, 'cos even if he were here at the start of next season, by NOT agreeing with the players, it would mean they wouldn't play for him...
I think he's a cagy little fecker, this man....

Mmmm...I certainly don't rate Benitez as the "genius" on the pitch that some do. But, he's definitely a genius when it comes to negotiating the terms and conditions of his employment.

How anyone could manover his/her employers into signing an ok to pay out 16 mill for a sacking is beyond me.

That really was tactical genius.

Yeah but the £16m is a fixed sum. It is a refection of the value of his remaining contract. The value would decrease for every year of his contract that expired.

I think he is on £5m per year.

Is correct. Like any signed and sealed contract, you break it, you still have to pay the set amount over the agreed time period that the contract is said to run for. If I get a mobile phone contract out for 2 years that costs me like 300 quid, and if I break that contract, I still have to pay them 300 quid regardless. Some people seem to think Rafa's 16 million clause is some kind of insidious plan to make him richer because it's only the money he wants. Him and Ryan Babel are to release a single singing about the ho's and the bling bling soon.

[roberto green]

but when you can know something about its future:D

You need a crystal ball to know whats going on at the moment!

Lakes10 has got 2 crystal balls but the view is 'cloudy'.

Lakes doesn't read crystal balls. Like the tea leaf method, Lakes likes to read the bottom of his toilet bowl for the patterns after pebble dashing it with his own sh*t.

[shabelle50]

Why would Benitez have cancelled meetings? My guess is that Broughton/Purslow cancelled the meetings so they can negotiate with Benitez's lawyer the terms of his departure.

[tonyeh]

What's all this fuss about demanding a meeting with the board, eh ? He has 4 years of a 5 year contract to run, so it's not as if he's demanding reassurances about his future, is it ? He has a cast-iron guarantee that he WILL be there at the start of next season, unless the club decides to get rid, in which case he will receive a great big phuck-off pay out, thank you very much...
I believe what he is doing is showmanship - echoing the players demands in the press, and now showing a sign of solidarity (at least, to the outside world) that the players and coaching staff demand answers. If he didn't vocalise what the players are also saying, that would definitely be the end of him, 'cos even if he were here at the start of next season, by NOT agreeing with the players, it would mean they wouldn't play for him...
I think he's a cagy little fecker, this man....

Mmmm...I certainly don't rate Benitez as the "genius" on the pitch that some do. But, he's definitely a genius when it comes to negotiating the terms and conditions of his employment.

How anyone could manover his/her employers into signing an ok to pay out 16 mill for a sacking is beyond me.

That really was tactical genius.

Yeah but the £16m isn't a fixed sum. It is a refection of the value of his remaining contract. The value would decrease for every year of his contract that expired.

I think he is on £5m per year.

Ah cheers SCS. Didn't know that.

[lakes10]

but when you can know something about its future:D

You need a crystal ball to know whats going on at the moment!

Lakes10 has got 2 crystal balls but the view is 'cloudy'.

Lakes doesn't read crystal balls. Like the tea leaf method, Lakes likes to read the bottom of his toilet bowl for the patterns after pebble dashing it with his own sh*t.

[Maickito]

If Rafa took over at Juve or Valencia or any of these clubs within the next 6 months then i doubt we'd have to pay him off that much- Rafa is a young manager - it wont be long before he gets another job-  although i think he is finished in the EPL- he is a manager for the english league - and after all we are an english club ----not a spanish or italian one.

The sooner the club is sold the faster the club can move forward
with or without benitez