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[LFC2007]

Another way to look at it would be to say in the short-term he did a good job in maintaining the level Newcastle were already at, but lost that progress in a big way in his first full season because they finished 13th.

As I have already said he was forced to sell a lot of their better players bringing in free transfers as the club was floated on the stock market.

Ferdinand was probably sold above his head, but he fell out with Ginola and then sold him for £2m, sold Beardsley, Clark, Elliot and replaced them with the likes of Pistone, Anderrson, Tomasson, Dabizas, Guivarch, Maric, and several others who combined cost a fair whack and frankly didn't cut it.

[Penguins]

Well, I have said and always will say:

The grass isn't always greener on the other side....
And I will always firmly believe Rafa would had won at least as much as the great Mourinho if he had got 200 million to play with at his arrival.

[Penguins]

Another way to look at it would be to say in the short-term he did a good job in maintaining the level Newcastle were already at, but lost that progress in a big way in his first full season because they finished 13th.

As I have already said he was forced to sell a lot of their better players bringing in free transfers as the club was floated on the stock market.

Ferdinand was probably sold above his head, but he fell out with Ginola and then sold him for £2m, sold Beardsley, Clark, Elliot and replaced them with the likes of Pistone, Anderrson, Tomasson, Dabizas, Guivarch, Maric, and several others who combined cost a fair whack and frankly didn't cut it.

Totally agree. Daglish, however romantic idea it is, is not the way forward.

[Sir Roger]

"A lack of progress on the pitch since the takeover of George Gillett and Tom Hicks in 2007 is at the heart of the Spaniard's frustrations in addtion to the failure of Reds chiefs to consult him over first team issues..." eh? 

“I decided to stay last year because of the fans and for one year I have been working very hard, trying to do my best..." Just the one then?

[tubby]

Benitez would waiver a £16million pay-off if he walked out on his current deal, which expires in 2014, in favour of a move to Serie A but is understood to be reluctant to allow the club to profit from his departure.

This upsets me, kind of like when he told Kuyt not to sign a new deal until he had signed his. But we don't know if thats true for sure Saint it's just a newspaper quote.

[tubby]

"A lack of progress on the pitch since the takeover of George Gillett and Tom Hicks in 2007 is at the heart of the Spaniard's frustrations in addtion to the failure of Reds chiefs to consult him over first team issues..." eh? 

“I decided to stay last year because of the fans and for one year I have been working very hard, trying to do my best..." Just the one then?

 

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Another way to look at it would be to say in the short-term he did a good job in maintaining the level Newcastle were already at, but lost that progress in a big way in his first full season because they finished 13th.

As I have already said he was forced to sell a lot of their better players bringing in free transfers as the club was floated on the stock market.

Ferdinand was probably sold above his head, but he fell out with Ginola and then sold him for £2m, sold Beardsley, Clark, Elliot and replaced them with the likes of Pistone, Anderrson, Tomasson, Dabizas, Guivarch, Maric, and several others who combined cost a fair whack and frankly didn't cut it.

Tomasson was sold for a profit, as was Hamann and Solano (both of whom he bought), Guivarch was sold for the same price they bought him, Dabizas was a success and Dalglish didn't buy Maric.

In his first season he spent £5million on transfers and sold £10million.

He also bought Given for £15k sold for £10millionish?

[Greavesie]

He also bought Given for £15k sold for £10millionish?

dear God either the market has inflated in an absolutely absurd manner or that's one hell of a piece of business, I sense it's a bit of both tho

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He also bought Given for £15k sold for £10millionish?

dear God either the market has inflated in an absolutely absurd manner or that's one hell of a piece of business, I sense it's a bit of both tho

I think the record fee in England at the time was about £16.5 million for a player..... so it was pretty cheap even for those days.

[aCe']

Rafael Benitez threatening Liverpool FC walkout as Juventus lie in wait
by Richard Buxton. Published Sat 01 May 2010 16:39,

Rafael Benitez is threatening to walk out on Liverpool after confiding in friends that he is growing increasingly annoyed at the club's decline under its current ownership.
A lack of progress on the pitch since the takeover of George Gillett and Tom Hicks in 2007 is at the heart of the Spaniard's frustrations in addtion to the failure of Reds chiefs to consult him over first team issues and offer public support following speculation surrounding his future.

Club representatives approached Real Madrid last week over the prospect of signing Rafael van der Vaart, without the manager's knowledge with Juventus currently standing by with an offer that will end Benitez's Anfield nightmare.

The Italian giants are hoping to capitalise on the former Valencia coach's displeasure and are confident that a three-year contract, worth €5million per annum, and a summer warchest of £60million will be enough to lure him to Turin.

Benitez would waiver a £16million pay-off if he walked out on his current deal, which expires in 2014, in favour of a move to Serie A but is understood to be reluctant to allow the club to profit from his departure.

Ahead of tomorrow's final home game of the season against Chelsea, the Kop boss revealed that he had received offers from several clubs last year but chose to remain with Liverpool because of the strong bond he feels with the supporters.

He said: “I decided to stay last year because of the fans and for one year I have been working very hard, trying to do my best and we will see what happens in the future, because Sunday’s game against Chelsea is the future now.

“The fans are the main thing, the best thing that the club has. I gave my word because of them. I have had massive offers over the last year and I decided to stay because of them."

However many are seeing the visit of Carlo Ancelotti's side, which could decide the fate of this season's Premier League title, as Benitez's final bow at Anfield with his plan to take the club forward hitting a dead end.

Seems to me like he thinks he did everyone but himself a favor by sticking around and signing that fat contract...

I think him resigning at the end of the season would be the best way forward for everyone concerned... No compensation, no Juventus having to pay us anything.. just him thanking the club and fans for the opportunity and everyone associated with the club thanking him for the work hes done the past few years..

[LFC2007]

Tomasson was sold for a profit, as was Hamann and Solano (both of whom he bought), Guivarch was sold for the same price they bought him, Dabizas was a success and Dalglish didn't buy Maric.

In his first season he spent £5million on transfers and sold £10million.

He also bought Given for £15k sold for £10millionish?

We sold Andriy Voronin for a profit. If we sell Babel for a profit it won't be able mask the fact that he was an abysmal buy.

Similarly Jon Dahl Tomasson was already highly rated, but it didn't mask the fact that he was an awful signing for them.

But that is much besides the point since whoever he bought (and he had the money), he didn't make it work. They went from 2nd in the league to 13th and were almost sucked into a real relegation fight. A big part of that was because he replaced players like Ginola, Beardsley, Clark, Elliott, later Asprilla and then brought in the likes of Pistone, Andersson, Guivarch, Tomasson etc. all who cost a fair whack combined (and there were a few) and that set them back. I don't think you can call that a success, far from it in fact, and that's why most Newcastle fans refer to the Dalglish/Gullit years. Not questioning his record elsewhere but it goes to credibility to try and make out that he was successful at Newcastle when he clearly wasn't.

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Tomasson was sold for a profit, as was Hamann and Solano (both of whom he bought), Guivarch was sold for the same price they bought him, Dabizas was a success and Dalglish didn't buy Maric.

In his first season he spent £5million on transfers and sold £10million.

He also bought Given for £15k sold for £10millionish?

We sold Andriy Voronin for a profit. If we sell Babel for a profit it won't be able mask the fact that he was an abysmal buy.

Similarly Jon Dahl Tomasson was already highly rated, but it didn't mask the fact that he was an awful signing for them.

But that is much besides the point since whoever he bought (and he had the money), he didn't make it work. They went from 2nd in the league to 13th and were almost sucked into a real relegation fight. A big part of that was because he replaced players like Ginola, Beardsley, Clark, Elliott, later Asprilla and then brought in the likes of Pistone, Andersson, Guivarch, Tomasson etc. all who cost a fair whack combined (and there were a few) and that set them back. I don't think you can call that a success, far from it in fact, and that's why most Newcastle fans refer to the Dalglish/Gullit years. Not questioning his record elsewhere but it goes to credibility to try and make out that he was successful at Newcastle when he clearly wasn't.

In his "bad year" they reached a cup final. No doubt his team was concentrating on the cup as Benny would say   

And he got rid of them quickly...... isn't that the usual excuse for Rafa ?

[Benny The Noon]

When your talking about kenny tour talking over a decade ago he was managing in the prem and the last time not very successfully , life in the prem has changed dramatically since then . Kenny is a pure romantic choice only and nothing else . Thirteen years ago he was last a manager in the prem 13 years ?!

[LFC2007]

In his "bad year" they reached a cup final. No doubt his team was concentrating on the cup as Benny would say   

And he got rid of them quickly...... isn't that the usual excuse for Rafa ?

I wasn't commenting on Rafa but his possible replacement, Dalglish. His record at Newcastle wasn't as successful as the half-a-season then 2nd/lost FA cup final suggests it was. Cherrypicking it is, when we all agree the league is the best measure of a team's progress, and going from 2nd to 13th means he obviously got something wrong. Perhaps if he'd had more time he might have turned it round.