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[jono]

If Bent went for around £17m, then Crouch gotta be in the same ballpark for me, anyway after Rafa's press conference he is still wanted so looks like he is goin nowhere

Bent's fee says more about the market than the player, Crouch wasn't worth £7m when signed, but we might con someone into £10m or £12m

Since 2005/6, when Crouch joined Liverpool, Bent has scored 42 goals in 95 appearances (0.442 goals/app) for Charlton/spudz. That's more goals than Crouch in less games, even allowing for Crouch playing some European games in which the opposition can be better, the same or worse than Premiership level.

If you consider Bent scored 37 goals in 79 games (0.468 goals/app) playing for CHARLTON whereas Crouch has been playing for Liverpool, I think you'll see that Bent is worth more than Crouch.

Well, those with open minds will see, others will take 10 mins to come up with  and others will deny the value of stats. Wishing your skoda was a Ferrari is for the deluded, plenty of them on here

Seeing you like using stats to judge a player Crouch record at Southampton was 12 goals 27 in his first season at a new club(0.444 goals/app) then moved onto a top team and enhanced his reputation and value even further but not increasing goals/app.

I judge the player on his performances on the pitch and what he brings to the team not on paper.

To be honest i don't think if we did sell him we would get 17mil but whoever got him imo will be gettin a better player than Bent.

Can't see Spurs increasing Bents value on the Transfer market as much as we have with Crouch.

[ivor_the_injun]

I've not really gone through this thread too thoroughly, so apologies if this point has been made before.

I would have Crouch at the club over Bent for the simple reason that he's a better player, that has proved his worth to the club time and time again. Bent, on the other hand, has done alright at Spurs, but has offered nothing even approaching value for money.

Strikers are there to make goals happen, not just score goals themselves. If value was judged purely on goalscoring return, not too long ago you could have presented stats suggesting that Kevin Phillips or Dion Dublin was worth as much or more to a team than Michael Owen or a peak-era Robbie Fowler. It doesn't work like that.

[JohnBull]

It's unbelievable to me that ANYONE on this forum can slag Crouch off. As far as him not being worth 7m when we bought him, you're an idiot.

Even during those games at the start of his career here he was making goals and was very unlucky. Once he broke his duck he has never let us down  in any game that he's started. He wasn't picked for some inexplicable reason for the World Club Game in Japan. I'm certain if he'd started there we could have filled the trophy cabinet with the "missing" cup.

If the lad comes on the market in January just wait and see the major clubs that will be queuing up to buy him.
"con someone for £10m" !!!! - IDIOT.

[ivor_the_injun]

It's unbelievable to me that ANYONE on this forum can slag Crouch off. As far as him not being worth 7m when we bought him, you're an idiot.

Even during those games at the start of his career here he was making goals and was very unlucky. Once he broke his duck he has never let us down  in any game that he's started. He wasn't picked for some inexplicable reason for the World Club Game in Japan. I'm certain if he'd started there we could have filled the trophy cabinet with the "missing" cup.

If the lad comes on the market in January just wait and see the major clubs that will be queuing up to buy him.
"con someone for £10m" !!!! - IDIOT.

Agree 100%.

I really don't know what else he has to do to prove himself, but then by the same token anyone that isn't won over clearly doesn't know what they're talking about.

For me, he's definitely one of Rafa's best buys.

[maguskwt]

We get it.  You don't rate Crouch.  But no amount of statistics or lame nicknames on your part is going to convince those of us who do rate him that he's not good enough.  So, howsabout changing the record?

why does he need to change the record? if that's his opinion... that's his opinion...

I don't rate crouch like some do on here, too... but to be fair to crouch he's managed to not let himself down recently despite not playing regularly and if you asked me to decide whether crouch should be sold in January it will bit a harder for me to decide now than 2-3 months back...

my grudge with him mainly is he's not good enough to be a main striker... he's a target man but he's not drogba nor shearer...his pace without acceleration, his heading ability as well as his lack of predatory instinct lets him down tremendously... so as a second striker he doesn't have the quick wit and vision to play with torres... if torres wants to play a one-two with crouch I bet they gonna fluff it... he's just not cut out for a fast paced passing game which would be most beneficial for torres...

so if benitez can find a worthwhile replacement... a creative second striker ala rooney/tevez... then I would sell crouch to finance the buy... otherwise I think his form deserves him to stay... for now...

[Bad Bob]

why does he need to change the record? if that's his opinion... that's his opinion...

You're right...the giraffe jokes never get old at all.

But, to address your comments...

I don't rate crouch like some do on here, too... but to be fair to crouch he's managed to not let himself down recently despite not playing regularly and if you asked me to decide whether crouch should be sold in January it will bit a harder for me to decide now than 2-3 months back...

my grudge with him mainly is he's not good enough to be a main striker... he's a target man but he's not drogba nor shearer...his pace without acceleration, his heading ability as well as his lack of predatory instinct lets him down tremendously...

I don't agree with the "tremendously" part.  He's never been pacey, I'll give you that but he still covers a lot of ground and gets into the box when we attack.  As for the heading, I'd point out that we've seen two headed goals from the lad in his last two Liverpool games--both well taken.  It's not his strong suit (that would be his volleying, IMO) but he's improving.

...so as a second striker he doesn't have the quick wit and vision to play with torres... if torres wants to play a one-two with crouch I bet they gonna fluff it... he's just not cut out for a fast paced passing game which would be most beneficial for torres...

I don't agree with this.  I can envision Torres playing some nice 1-2s with Crouch...pinging the ball into the big man's feet and running onto the return ball.  Crouch has shown he can do this well with Gerrard so why not Torres?  Plus, I think Torres could benefit a great deal from Crouch's knock-downs and flick-ons.  We also know already that Crouch holds the ball up well and so I like the idea of him with his foot on the ball and back to goal, looking to pick out the runs of Torres, Gerrard, Kewell, Babel etc.

so if benitez can find a worthwhile replacement... a creative second striker ala rooney/tevez... then I would sell crouch to finance the buy... otherwise I think his form deserves him to stay... for now...

Well, there's no chance we'll get someone the calibre of Tevez or Rooney in the January transfer window so I'd like to see Crouch stay until the summer at least.  If he's the biggest asset we can cash in on in order to bring in a truly top class striker, then I'd support selling him.  If there are other options for raising revenue, however, I'd prefer to keep him.  He may not be a ferrari, but he's certainly no skoda either!

[redhayesy]

he may not be flavour of the mounth,for what ever reason but i
personally hope crouchy stays!
for me he hasn"t done anything wrong apart from showing his
frustration about being left out of the side when he was playing
wall for the side, bringing other players into the play, setting up chances
for his strike partner etc. when crouchy plays we play to his strengths
which is why he brings somthing else to the side, & gives us other
options, i like his attitude towards the game, & i think that being
part of the rotation system with the other strikers, he has showed
hunger & determination to give his all when he is picked from
the start or when brought on as a sub.
(his desire & concentration was evedent against porto)
he took his goal well, & i was made up for him!
i sincerly hope we don"t off load him, as for me if a player
gives 100% when he gets his chance shows he shouldn"t be
for sale & i"m glad for the time being raffa is making all
the right noises when he says as much.

[maguskwt]

If he's the biggest asset we can cash in on in order to bring in a truly top class striker, then I'd support selling him.  If there are other options for raising revenue, however, I'd prefer to keep him.  He may not be a ferrari, but he's certainly no skoda either!

Talk about a creative second striker... villa's agbonlahor looks a very promising talent...still young too... it'll be very difficult to prise him away from o'leary though...

would you pay 5 mil  + carson for him? how much would villa ask for him?

[destro]

Talk about a creative second striker... villa's agbonlahor looks a very promising talent...still young too... it'll be very difficult to prise him away from o'leary though...

Have I missed something here, I have just watched the Villa game V Arsenal and O'Neil was in charge 

[Torres 2007]

He is a good player, but I don't rate him as "great". Neither do I rate Kuyt or Voronin for that accolade, only Torres in our current selection of strikers.

Crouch is good at controlling the ball, and has quick feet. But I feel crouchy has some weaknesses.

1. He has no pace, and cannot really run at defenders and beat them.

2. Despite his height, he does not win that many headed challenges, or score that often with his head. (ok he scored V Porto) but if you saw him for England as a lone target man, he didnt win that much in the air.

I dont think he is in the same league as MIchael OWen, in terms of being clinical.

I would sell crouch, for say 7m, and that money would more or less fund a Michael Owen return to Anfield. Thus not costing us that much. Plus seeing as Sam Allardyce is about to lose his job for christmas, then Owen would certainly be available, and I would have thought prefer a return.

The thought of a fit Owen, and Torres in the line up, is mouth watering.

If Peter Crouch was not wearing an LFC Jersey each week, how many of you would rate him so highly, ie he were playing for the likes of...Wigan, name Emile HEskey comes to mind.

You put the ball in front of Michael Owen in the Box, 9 times out of 10 he will hit the net.

[maguskwt]

Have I missed something here, I have just watched the Villa game V Arsenal and O'Neil was in charge 

yes apologies... i tend to mix up names 

[crazyhorse]

Crouchinio is one of those underrated players, who say little and get on with the job. I have always liked him, even though he is not a "star" like Nando or Stevie.
I would be dissapointed to see him shipped out; he may well not be world class, but he is good enough to have a place in the squad on merit. When he is playing and the conditions and tactics are right he is unplayable, and the job he did for us in the first CL semi against Chelski was fantastic.

[Feugo]

LEAVE CROUCH ALONE!!!! (//.-)

Torres and Crouch FTW~!!!

[mkingdom]

Crouch is a pain toplay against I'm sure, and I'd rather have him in our tent out than outside in...by which I mean I wouldn't fancy him playing against us for someone else.

He is that much referred to "option", and I think he is being under used by Rafa at the moment.

I would like to see Crouch and Torres up front for half a dozen games, as I think that could be a partnership to cause defences problems.

I wouldn't sell him, as I can't think of another striker that we could get for similar money.

[metalhead]

Crouch was sh*te today, everytime he is given a chance he plays like sh*te.