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[maguskwt]

alot of the rafa criticisms on here are based on assumptions...

[Kukilon]

Haha Tel you can't possibly know that. Maybe you'll be proved correct, but there is very little evidence to support that now.

Individually they have shown to be the most dangerous close to goal.

And we bought them to play them together.

Classic.

You play your best players together. Only a striker on current and better form should get the nod ahead of them. And thats definetely not the case with either Kuyt or Voronin

Those 2 would run circles around Stubbs.

Torres & Babel >>>> Tevez and Rooney

And those are the first 2 names red face puts down on his team sheet every week

Rafa's tactics are overrated. A great manager continues to cut off his nose to spite his face. His crusade to prove he is right is costing him his player's confidence

What a load of BS. I have never seen a manager cut his loses with players he thinks lack quality as fast as Rafa. Some players that Rafa had high hopes for. Gonzales, Josemi, Nunez and Bellamy where shipped out right away.

[woof woof !]

alot of the rafa criticisms on here are based on assumptions...

Spot on. I don't necessarily agree with all of Rafa's decisions but I doubt very much if the observation that Rafa

continues to cut off his nose to spite his face. His crusade to prove he is right is costing him his player's confidence

forms any part of his thinking or motivation.

[burjennio]

Getting slightly of the Crouch topic but FWIW Rafa played 4231 at Valencia when he was there, with a lone striker and Aimar in behind, and 2 wingers with 2 holding midfielders

Also while I think that Kuyt should probably have scored more this season I believe people are being a bit harsh on Voronin, missed a few at the weekend but he seems to be a smarter player than either Kuyt or Crouch and rarely gives the ball away, and he's still ajusting to life in a new country and far superior league

[Ace Ventura]

Getting slightly of the Crouch topic but FWIW Rafa played 4231 at Valencia when he was there, with a lone striker and Aimar in behind, and 2 wingers with 2 holding midfielders

Also while I think that Kuyt should probably have scored more this season I believe people are being a bit harsh on Voronin, missed a few at the weekend but he seems to be a smarter player than either Kuyt or Crouch and rarely gives the ball away, and he's still ajusting to life in a new country and far superior league

Thats a fair enough comment about Voronin, he has done ok. Not setting the world alight but chipped in with a few goals to go with the work rate, the goal away to Toulouse was an absolute belter, but the ones against Derby and Spurs at home i preferred. He followed in like a good striker should for both of these and showed a bit of instinct.
Something that Kuyt seemed to lack in the first couple of minutes of the derby.

[Perry Digweed]

He may not be Liverpool's best striker-but on current form he is England's.

[Owzat]

He may not be Liverpool's best striker-but on current form he is England's.

................only fit striker worth mentioning.

Congratulations to the giraffe, his first competitive goal against opposition worth mentioning. Shows what happens when he faces the opposition goal instead of his own most the game

[stmichael]

according to the bbc, looks like man city are preparing a bid in january.

[Owzat]

according to the bbc, looks like man city are preparing a bid in january.

But Thai exile low life has said he won't pay over the odds, he doesn't have access to any more of other people's money and can't sell his relatives cheap land anymore..................

If we did sell for say £10m, would we be able to sign a better player than him worth signing? £10m might get a Kuyt or another giraffe, maybe we could simply use Babel and Benayoun as second strikers and sign a winger worthy of the name for the right.

[jono]

If Bent went for around £17m, then Crouch gotta be in the same ballpark for me, anyway after Rafa's press conference he is still wanted so looks like he is goin nowhere

[maguskwt]

Rafa rubbishes Crouch link with City

Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez insists Peter Crouch is not for sale but has to earn himself a new contract.


The Spaniard was reacting to growing speculation that Manchester City will try to sign the England forward in the January transfer window.


Crouch has 18 months of his current contract still to run, and there is a growing fear at Anfield he may see out that deal without signing a new one and be able to leave for nothing - just like Steve McManaman once did at Liverpool.


Benitez, who may well use Crouch from the start on Sunday at home to Bolton, has made it clear he has not been offered a new deal yet, and the player has not intimated that he would reject such an offer.


This uncertainty over his future has increased rumours that City boss Sven-Goran Eriksson is waiting to pounce.


But Benitez said: 'Peter knows how to win a new contract. He has to work really hard, play very well and score a lot of goals. So he has a chance to win a new contract because he can do all of this.


'For now, though, we have to win a lot of games and then we will talk about his future later on.


'He does not play every game, but now with two games every week for some while he will get his chances to impress.'


He added: 'I do not think it will be the situation that he will walk away for nothing in 18 months, that will not happen. For now, though, I just want him to score more goals.


'The key is for him to score, play well and be happy. Then we will have the conversation about a contract.


'We do not want to sell Peter, we are really happy with him. Players in top sides know they cannot play in every game, but you can see how important he is for us.


'Against Porto in midweek he and Harry Kewell were key substitutions that helped us win the game. We do not want to see any transfer movement involving him.


'I want to see Peter score a lot more goals for us, he is not for sale. He is a good professional, he is always ready and waiting for his chance.'


Crouch has revealed this week that he will 'do everything' to stay at Anfield, and Benitez clearly does not want the giant hitman to leave.


He said: 'In a top side you need good players, but they cannot play every game, that is impossible.


'Crouch is a key player for us, we do not want to sell him. But when someone is not playing every game other clubs ask about them.


'They will be trying to get close to the player. But we do not want to sell him, we want him here to help us win the title.


'They all want to be involved. Sometimes it can be a problem for him when he is not playing, he can see the other strikers doing well.


'But he is a key player for us and hopefully that will continue in the future.'


He added: 'Manchester City have done well this season, and they have some money to spend. But they will not have Peter Crouch.'


It is a welcome relief for Benitez to be discussing someone else's Liverpool future, rather than his own.

[Owzat]

If Bent went for around £17m, then Crouch gotta be in the same ballpark for me, anyway after Rafa's press conference he is still wanted so looks like he is goin nowhere

Bent's fee says more about the market than the player, Crouch wasn't worth £7m when signed, but we might con someone into £10m or £12m

Since 2005/6, when Crouch joined Liverpool, Bent has scored 42 goals in 95 appearances (0.442 goals/app) for Charlton/spudz. That's more goals than Crouch in less games, even allowing for Crouch playing some European games in which the opposition can be better, the same or worse than Premiership level.

If you consider Bent scored 37 goals in 79 games (0.468 goals/app) playing for CHARLTON whereas Crouch has been playing for Liverpool, I think you'll see that Bent is worth more than Crouch.

Well, those with open minds will see, others will take 10 mins to come up with  and others will deny the value of stats. Wishing your skoda was a Ferrari is for the deluded, plenty of them on here

[NiftyNeil]

If Bent went for around £17m, then Crouch gotta be in the same ballpark for me, anyway after Rafa's press conference he is still wanted so looks like he is goin nowhere

Bent's fee says more about the market than the player, Crouch wasn't worth £7m when signed, but we might con someone into £10m or £12m

Since 2005/6, when Crouch joined Liverpool, Bent has scored 42 goals in 95 appearances (0.442 goals/app) for Charlton/spudz. That's more goals than Crouch in less games, even allowing for Crouch playing some European games in which the opposition can be better, the same or worse than Premiership level.

If you consider Bent scored 37 goals in 79 games (0.468 goals/app) playing for CHARLTON whereas Crouch has been playing for Liverpool, I think you'll see that Bent is worth more than Crouch.

Well, those with open minds will see, others will take 10 mins to come up with  and others will deny the value of stats. Wishing your skoda was a Ferrari is for the deluded, plenty of them on here

You should change your username to owzat-for-bollox, because that's what you talk half the time.

Yes, Bent did score a lot of goals for Charlton, but how many teams played Charlton with ten men behind the ball? When teams play Charlton, there is less fear and therefore more space for the strikers to exploit. When teams play Liverpool, they are cautious and defence minded, hence less opportunity for the strikers.
How many European goals has Bent scored? How many international goals has Bent scored? How many World Cup goals has Bent scored? Has Bent ever had an international hat-trick?
Crouch is proving himself time and time again. He is scoring goals aplenty in Internationals, Champions League and in a top Premiership team (when he gets the chance) - now go back and compare that to Bent once more, then have a word with yourself.

[Ace Ventura]

If Bent went for around £17m, then Crouch gotta be in the same ballpark for me, anyway after Rafa's press conference he is still wanted so looks like he is goin nowhere

Bent's fee says more about the market than the player, Crouch wasn't worth £7m when signed, but we might con someone into £10m or £12m

Since 2005/6, when Crouch joined Liverpool, Bent has scored 42 goals in 95 appearances (0.442 goals/app) for Charlton/spudz. That's more goals than Crouch in less games, even allowing for Crouch playing some European games in which the opposition can be better, the same or worse than Premiership level.

If you consider Bent scored 37 goals in 79 games (0.468 goals/app) playing for CHARLTON whereas Crouch has been playing for Liverpool, I think you'll see that Bent is worth more than Crouch.

Well, those with open minds will see, others will take 10 mins to come up with  and others will deny the value of stats. Wishing your skoda was a Ferrari is for the deluded, plenty of them on here

You should change your username to owzat-for-bollox, because that's what you talk half the time.

Yes, Bent did score a lot of goals for Charlton, but how many teams played Charlton with ten men behind the ball? When teams play Charlton, there is less fear and therefore more space for the strikers to exploit. When teams play Liverpool, they are cautious and defence minded, hence less opportunity for the strikers.
How many European goals has Bent scored? How many international goals has Bent scored? How many World Cup goals has Bent scored? Has Bent ever had an international hat-trick?
Crouch is proving himself time and time again. He is scoring goals aplenty in Internationals, Champions League and in a top Premiership team (when he gets the chance) - now go back and compare that to Bent once more, then have a word with yourself.

Well in lad, saved me saying it.



Owzat your criticism of Crouch is strange. What more does he have to do ?
Comparing him to Bent has made you look a little daft as well imo.

[Bad Bob]

If Bent went for around £17m, then Crouch gotta be in the same ballpark for me, anyway after Rafa's press conference he is still wanted so looks like he is goin nowhere

Bent's fee says more about the market than the player, Crouch wasn't worth £7m when signed, but we might con someone into £10m or £12m

Since 2005/6, when Crouch joined Liverpool, Bent has scored 42 goals in 95 appearances (0.442 goals/app) for Charlton/spudz. That's more goals than Crouch in less games, even allowing for Crouch playing some European games in which the opposition can be better, the same or worse than Premiership level.

If you consider Bent scored 37 goals in 79 games (0.468 goals/app) playing for CHARLTON whereas Crouch has been playing for Liverpool, I think you'll see that Bent is worth more than Crouch.

Well, those with open minds will see, others will take 10 mins to come up with  and others will deny the value of stats. Wishing your skoda was a Ferrari is for the deluded, plenty of them on here

We get it.  You don't rate Crouch.  But no amount of statistics or lame nicknames on your part is going to convince those of us who do rate him that he's not good enough.  So, howsabout changing the record?