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Postby metalhead » Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:10 pm

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aCe' wrote:my opinion... you have yours... even if he scores 50 goals for us and gets fifa player of the year for the goals hes scored id still think hes  sht player...

Bollox, if he did all that you say you'd suck the shi't right out of his a'rse.

An exaggeration perhaps but certainly closer to the truth than your statement.

If we're talking seriously about a Liverpool player can we please at least make statements that can be taken seriously.

The Kuyt bashing (and I've done my share) is becoming more than tedious.

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Postby woof woof ! » Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:17 pm

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woof woof ! wrote:
aCe' wrote:my opinion... you have yours... even if he scores 50 goals for us and gets fifa player of the year for the goals hes scored id still think hes  sht player...

Bollox, if he did all that you say you'd suck the shi't right out of his a'rse.

An exaggeration perhaps but certainly closer to the truth than your statement.

If we're talking seriously about a Liverpool player can we please at least make statements that can be taken seriously.

The Kuyt bashing (and I've done my share) is becoming more than tedious.

hes a sht player

Fair enough, I don't ask or even expect you to justify that opinion, his performance on numerous occasions would reinforce your comment.The fella however has from time to time (certainly more recently) suggested that whilst being "Sh'it" he's maybe not quite as sh'it as we have made him out to be.
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Postby GYBS » Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:17 pm

kuyt isnt :censored: . He isnt world class as well . There is middle ground you know where teams can have decent players who contribute to the team in a positive way without setting the world alight . Kuyt is one of those players .
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Postby woof woof ! » Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:34 pm

GYBS wrote:kuyt isnt :censored: . He isnt world class as well . There is middle ground you know where teams can have decent players who contribute to the team in a positive way without setting the world alight . Kuyt is one of those players .

Ok this may be a bit of a stretch but if we were sweeping all before us I'm thinking I might be comparing Kuyt to Jimmy Case. Hard as nails, could run all day, not technically the most skillfull in the side, chipped in with some important goals. The major difference of course is that the team Jimmy Case played in won virtually everything so how could we complain, the team Kuyt plays in has won nothing by comparison.

from LFC official site (for those that don't know)
Case joined Liverpool as an amateur during the Bill Shankly era in 1972, turning professional a year later and breaking through for his senior debut against Queens Park Rangers in the final game of the 1974-75 season, under Bob Paisley's management.

Case served an apprenticeship as an electrician but it was his livewire raiding on the right flank of midfield that illuminated many Liverpool games. He possessed explosive shooting power, making him a menace to the opposition at free kicks, and a full-blooded tackling style.

His eye for goal produced great dividends in Europe. While overall, Case scored 46 goals in 269 first team outings, 13 of them came in 35 games against Continental opposition
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Postby Octsky » Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:36 pm

it think the problem with kyut is that he dont take the easy chances. its no use scoring 30 yards thunderbolts in one match but missing a sitter in other.
think inzaghi, not the fastest, not the most technically gifted but always at the right place at the right time.
strikers are judge by the goals they scored, and so far kyut didnt show tat often. but wigan's match is a good start for him to show us his true stuff. i hope for the best. bring on athletico
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Postby woof woof ! » Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:37 pm

BTW, will the lads who seem bent on discussing the forums smilies in this thread please take that discussion elswhere. FFS  :kungfu:
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Postby Judge » Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:39 pm

ok mate. but calm down woof. the kung fu emoticon is a little harsh. you couldve said all that without the emoticon!!
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Postby woof woof ! » Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:41 pm

Judge wrote:ok mate. but calm down woof. the kung fu emoticon is a little harsh. you couldve said all that without the emoticon!!

:laugh:  F'uck off ,you told me you liked it rough.  :kungfu:   :kungfu:   :kungfu:
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Postby woof woof ! » Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:47 pm

So, Kuyt this millenniums potential Jimmy Case ? or am I following aCe and just getting carried away with myself ? .
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Postby GYBS » Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:51 pm

good post woof and think you got it close . Would also say sammy lee as well .
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Postby Jimmy the Weasel » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:01 pm

GYBS wrote:do keep an eye on him when he has the ball - this saturday he scored two and could of got a hat trick if it wasnt for kirkland.

Could argue that he would have scored none if it weren't for Kirkland too...

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Postby GYBS » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:26 pm

so the goals keeper errors now ? ??? He did all you can ask for . Getting ball on target and the ball ended up in back of the net . How it gets there i dont think anyone cares as long as its in the back of the net .   :rasp
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Postby Jimmy the Weasel » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:34 pm

GYBS wrote:so the goals keeper errors now ? ??? He did all you can ask for . Getting ball on target and the ball ended up in back of the net . How it gets there i dont think anyone cares as long as its in the back of the net .   :rasp

No, you're right I don't care how they go in. I was just saying it tongue in cheek, but he did manage to hit the keeper for both goals.

So the point is just as valid, I'm just playing devils advocate for the hell of it, no need to get chippy!
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Postby bigmick » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:09 pm

Not for me Woof the Jimmy Case comparison. Case was simply a better footballer, as was Sammy Lee. From a goalscoring point of view, over the last few weeks Kuyt has scored some important ones. He doesn't obviously "keep on scoring important goals" as some would have you believe, at least he doesn't unless 3 in 29 league games or whatever it is is "keeping on" doing it.

He is though doing very well at the moment, and is playing probably at the absolute optimum of his capabilities. If he was to continue playing exactly as he is at the moment, and if he had always played exactly as he is at the moment, there wouldn't be a thread about him because he is more than worthy of his place in the team. If he always played up front as well as he did on Saturday, we probably wouldn't have bought Keane, and he probably wouldn't have had to fill in on the right of midfield.  The reality though is that he hasn't always played like this. He hasn't always scored goals, or been as effective as he is right now, hence the threads and the "bashing".

  As far as comparisons go, by far the most ridiculous one anyone has tried to justify so far is Berbatov. Leaving that silliness out of it for a second, I've also mseen him compared to sammy Lee, Craig Johnstone and Jimmy Case. Out of those three, he is closest to Case I would think but it' still not on the money for me.

On the right, I think I've got the perfect comparison, the mirror image. Kevin Kilbane. He wasn't the quickest, worked up and down the line, scored the occasional goal, was a good honest pro. That's about "Dirky boys" level out there I think. As a striker, it's trickier. If we leave aside his goalscoring record in the latter part of his time as a striker (because he rarely if ever scored a goal during this period) and assume his 12 in a season or whatever it was when he first came is a bit more his level, then we could possibly go with a Steve Claridge kind of player. Like Kuyt he was a respectable goalscorer, could bring people into play and worked the line well. Didn't have a lot of pace, but scored his share of goals. Some might think that one is too harsh, so as an alternative you could perhaps go for an Iain Dowie. Once again, good honest pro who worked his socks off for the team.
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Postby aCe' » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:34 pm

lets see it from a slightly different perspective.... when u have a striker and u can pick a striker from every single premierleague side whos a better striker than he is then most probably he isnt liverpool standard...

when you have a right winger and u can pick a right winger from every single premierleague side whos a better winger than he is then most probably he isnt liverpool standard..

kuyt ticks both boxes unfortunately and is thus in no way liverpool standard imo.. he can do a job as a sub in both position imo but to have him starting in any position couldn’t possibly do our title ambitions any good in the long run.
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