andy_g » Mon May 04, 2015 5:20 pm wrote:RedAnt » Mon May 04, 2015 6:05 pm wrote:I wasn't questioning the difference. But of course you're listing differences from a managers point of view. As The Rock said, we've showed in the past it's possible to compete on multiple fronts. Other teams have proved it too. And after what will be four seasons of building and the money invested, one might hope we'd be one of those teams capable of it. And now we're talking of playing kids in next years contest so we can have a crack at CL qualification again. I see BR has certainly lowered some expectations already. You're a fan. Surely you expect more too? Take off the managers gegs and take a peek through your own eyes.
i think you are misunderstanding me. i'm trying to give an impartial view to be honest, a pragmatic one even, and certainly one through my own eyes. i also think that some of what now has reached loathing for rodgers is colouring peoples' interpretations of what he is saying. i can actually understand why he might think that blooding 2 or 3 promising 'breakthrough' players in the europa league might be productive for us both for the future and for current squad peformances in the league.
i would love more, but if i'm realistic a don't expect it. the level of squad we have got, and the quality of players we can attract at the moment, isn't going to be enough to progress in the league while at the same time having a crack at winning the europa league. if we somehow scrape into the CL i would expect us to be able to sign a couple more players who'll allow us to at least give us a decent showing but get nowhere near winning the thing.
that's not the manager lowering expectations, its being realistic about our level as a club in all recent seasons apart from the last freakish one.
My apologies. I did misunderstand.
I'm not one for insulting the manager. I agree that people make their minds up on snippets of information at times, but news comes through in other distorting forms too and at those who defend Rodgers do likewise. See Thommo's post above and how it changes the theme of the thread entirely. But even your own opinion seems to accept that we are quickly falling down the power charts in world football. How do we reverse that? By bringing in good players, managing them well, and winning things on the pitch, to name but three. We're doing none of those things, and if recent showings are anything to go by, we won't be anytime soon either. Something has to change, and with Klopp available, in my eyes it might as well be the manager.
Not that much has changed since last season. Suarez leaving is a major factor. His goals and assists accounted for a huge percentage of our total. Some posters say it wasn't only Suarez, BR got the best out of him. A good coach would, nay, should get the best out of his players. Yet it's used to rate BR's overall skills as Liverpool manager. Well, Suarez left. BR couldn't persuade him to stay. Couldn't bring in top names to play with him. Couldn't replace him. Nor could the committee, apparently. So we go forth into the season with a decent enough squad. Not great. Lots of unknowns. But we have Brendan. Suarez is gone, but BR is still here. That's why all the arrows are pointing down right now. Owners, players leaving, poor wage structure, transfer committees, all make good excuses but most now realise the core issue I think.
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