Liverpool FC Forum

by **Greavesie** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:31 pm

where does the money come from Niall, we spent next to FA in the summer!

Before you start I am of course referring to NET spend

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:49 pm

Greavesie wrote:so what you're saying is we sell Alonso without replacing the player sold?

sounds like a plan Batman!

Thats pretty much what we have done with Alonso so far mate

by **Greavesie** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:51 pm

s@int wrote:
Greavesie wrote:so what you're saying is we sell Alonso without replacing the player sold?

sounds like a plan Batman!

Thats pretty much what we have done with Alonso so far mate

can't blame a man for trying

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:26 pm

bigmick wrote:The fans backing Benitez is a great result for them, pure and simple.

Mick so what your saying is because i believe in Rafa i am also supporting the owners , So if i turned on Rafa and got loads to turn at the match then the owners would sack him , yes,

Because Rafa is not mouthing off or showing his contempt or jacking the job in the owners are quite happy to have him there because they would save money on his payout, Yes

So you want a new fella to come in and stand up to them,even if they give him no money. Yes

You are under estimating the mentality of people who go the game imo. We are not fooled Mick not by Rafa or the owners.

by **bigmick** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:46 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
bigmick wrote:The fans backing Benitez is a great result for them, pure and simple.

Mick so what your saying is because i believe in Rafa i am also supporting the owners , So if i turned on Rafa and got loads to turn at the match then the owners would sack him , yes,

Because Rafa is not mouthing off or showing his contempt or jacking the job in the owners are quite happy to have him there because they would save money on his payout, Yes

So you want a new fella to come in and stand up to them,even if they give him no money. Yes

You are under estimating the mentality of people who go the game imo. We are not fooled Mick not by Rafa or the owners.

Nanny I do believe that the fans backing the manager is a huge result for the owners yes. I know it's anadvertantly a huge result as they wouldn't bale them out on purpose, but I do think that an inevitable consequence of the fans backing Rafa is that the owners will be happy. If the fans turned on the manager (and it would have to be absolutely en masse because the owners would cling onto him as long as possible), then the owners would have to pull the trigger and I think they'd be absolutely gutted, choked in fact. Can you imagine these two c...s having to shell out 16 million quid to pay up Rafa's contract? You think they'd be happy about that scenario? Also as you say, he isn't mouthing off about them in the press and there is the added bonus that he takes much of the flak which would be otherwise heading in their direction. I don't blame the owners in this regard, if I were them I'd be clinging onto Rafa as well.

As for the new fella "standing up to them" I don't think that's the issue really. I don't particularly want Rafa to "stand up to them" either, I just think people are deluding themselves when they make the manager out to be some sort of martyr who is forever putting the owners in their place, nothing could be further from the truth the way I see it.

I want whoever manages the team to maximise the potential of the players as a unit. I don't think Rafa does that. The other stuff is peripheral, I'm merely pointing out that in my opinion the owners love having Rafa as manager. That's it really.

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:46 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
bigmick wrote:The fans backing Benitez is a great result for them, pure and simple.

Mick so what your saying is because i believe in Rafa i am also supporting the owners , So if i turned on Rafa and got loads to turn at the match then the owners would sack him , yes,

Because Rafa is not mouthing off or showing his contempt or jacking the job in the owners are quite happy to have him there because they would save money on his payout, Yes

So you want a new fella to come in and stand up to them,even if they give him no money. Yes

You are under estimating the mentality of people who go the game imo. We are not fooled Mick not by Rafa or the owners.

I think all Mick is trying to say is that people are giving Rafa a little too much credit when it comes to fighting against our owners. He is not standing as a bastion against them, he is just getting on with his job.

he's said it himself now anyway

by **LFC2007** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:19 pm

bigmick wrote:But I'm not "expecting him to agitate" LFC, on the contrary. I'm expecting him not to. I'm not asking him to agitate either, I'm simply pointing out the fact that this myth that he is somehow the manefestation of the worse nightmare for the owners is palpably of the urban variety. He plainly isn't a thorn in their side as some try to make out, as I've said before he is actually for a number of reasons absolutely ideal for them as a manager at this stage.

If the owners were efectively forced by fan power to get rid of the manager (it won't happen) they'd be absolutely gutted. Not for Senor Benitez, they'd be gutted at having to shove another 16-20 million quid into the pot. The fans backing Benitez is a great result for them, pure and simple.

1) You question his integrity.

You imply that the manager has conciously toned down his criticism of the owners as he is looking after his new contract (he only "grumbles" now apparently). In other words, the team's fortunes only matter to him insofar as making money is concerned. Short for: he is content with failure on the pitch as long as he gets paid. In fact, the message he's delivered vis-à-vis investment has altered very little. He still thinks we need investment to compete for the top honours, he still recognises the need to balance the books. Yet only six months ago he was a nice guy who had the best interests of the club at heart whereas now he's a puppet who's only interested in money.

2) You took a subtle dig at those who still support Rafa, once stating ("aiding and abetting") and then implying that to support Rafa is to indirectly support the owners, because their aims of self-interest coincide. It is unlikely that you would use language like "the owners must be hoping and praying...that the fans continue to back the manager",fully aware of what Nanny Red, Igor and others feel about them, without (at best) the intention of making the point that said support has the effect of letting the owners 'get away with it'. Another point scored against any remaining 'pros'.

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:21 pm

LFC2007 wrote:1) You question his integrity.

I think thats me mate

by **LFC2007** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:22 pm

s@int wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:1) You question his integrity.

I think thats me mate

I know it's you, but it's Mick as well.

by **Maickito** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:32 pm

from half listening to contract law in class I am fairly sure that if benitez got a job this summer then this 16 million being talked about would be closer to about 2 million.
There isnt a hope he could justify getting 16 million and then getting a further 16 million over 4 years with juve or real - i think the term in undue enrichment !

as i said i only ever half listened in class

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:37 pm

Maickito wrote:from half listening to contract law in class I am fairly sure that if benitez got a job this summer then this 16 million being talked about would be closer to about 2 million.
There isnt a hope he could justify getting 16 million and then getting a further 16 million over 4 years with juve or real - i think the term in undue enrichment !

as i said i only ever half listened in class

Not sure exactly how much he would get, but it would be certainly less than £16million. Houllier got the full payout because he wasn't looking to go straight back into management , which I would presume Rafa would. Usually a figure is agreed between the club and the manager.

The only way Rafa would get the full amount is if he said he was not going to work for the length of the contract. I think £2million is a bit low though mate, I would have expected somewhere around £8-10million myself.

by **Maickito** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:37 pm

i think why benitez hasnt been sacked if cause we as fans have in the past given his the status as jesus----- now lots are calling for his head so we a bit like people chanting for jesus' head

i think whatever side you stand on its a lesson - back the team and the club and to a large degree back to manager but dont give him the status we gave benitez- i think becuase the owners seem so clueless about football they still dont know that a large % of fans dont back him any more

maybe they should be sent an email with this website address as their owner's guide!

by **Maickito** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:39 pm

Not sure exactly how much he would get, but it would be certainly less than £16million. Houllier got the full payout because he wasn't looking to go straight back into management , which I would presume Rafa would. Usually a figure is agreed between the club and the manager.

The only way Rafa would get the full amount is if he said he was not going to work for the length of the contract. I think £2million is a bit low though mate, I would have expected somewhere around £8-10million myself.

Ya 2 million is probably way too low but to suggest he would get 16 million is a bit ludacris- i reckon your right --8 mill prob

by **Reg** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:10 pm

s@int wrote:Not sure exactly how much he would get, but it would be certainly less than £16million. Houllier got the full payout because he wasn't looking to go straight back into management , which I would presume Rafa would. Usually a figure is agreed between the club and the manager.

I met GED at the UEFA offices in Switzerland within 2 months of being sacked with a smile all over his face, looking very much rested and fit, and in employment with UEFA at the euro championships or world cup I cant remember which.

The image of him being half dead, stressed to the eyeballs and washed up was one very cleverely conncocted by one or both sides and clearly GED walked out with a smirk on his face.

by **Maickito** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:33 pm

To be fair GED's situation is a little different than Benitez, the man had a heart attack as manager of the club - if his lawyers managed to pull off a full pay out then they made clever use of facts......Benitez is close to 20 years younger than GED and I cant see a man that brought his current wife on their 1st date to a restaurant outside the Burneabue staying out of football for too long.
I don't think anyone argues that Benitez isnt a top manager, same way lots of couple break up both knowing they are good people ---------- but benitez this year and to be fair the past 6 ( aside from last yr) hasnt shown in the EPL that he has it , no shame in that----- if he goes to Italia he might win the serie A in his years- still doubt he would have ever won the epl.......

Even if we get fourth and win the europa league I still think he should really leave and not be kicked out

This year is a wake up call: we are not a 4th placed club esp when a manager has been in charge for over 5 years
Many here we opt for him to stay on if we get fourth- which is their opinion plus a very honorable and loyal one - one which i wouldnt ever insult them but in the real world if any of us didnt hit targets set for our individual jobs then we would be let go , what makes benitez any different ( the man is a millionaire- no one will go hungry in his house ! )

Liverpool FC Forum

RAFA BENITEZ LEAVES LIVERPOOL - Official Thread, includes merged threads

Who is online