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by **account deleted by request** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:34 pm

From what I understand most Italian clubs do not own their own stadiums, and that is one reason why they have been falling behind in the money stakes to English and Spanish clubs.

The Juventus stadium project is being watched closely by the other Italian clubs , and if it is a success expect most of the other clubs to follow suit.

Juventus arn't short of a bob or two. They spent about £70million (probably euro's ?) this season alone on transfers and may well spend a similar amount next season.

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by **Boocity** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:35 pm

Reg wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Reg wrote:Concerning Juve........

Its fairly well known that Serie A will lose their 4th CL spot to the Bundeslegue (however its spelt) due a lack of success in the CL over the past 5 years. One of the key reasons for this dip in form is the inability to compete financially with the Spanish, English etc.. clubs. Hence recent criticism the Italian game is boring as hundreds of Brazilians and Argentine youngsters flood into the Italian game whilst the top names like Kaka and Ibramhovic have departed. The lack of investment is largely put down to clubs not owning their grounds but rent them (and share them) from the local council. Hence profits are limited and development is zero.

Juve are bucking the trend with plans to build their own stadium - one of the few clubs will own theirs, so they can break out of this cashless cycle and grow a business. Of course we know this familiar story only too well.

That means of course they wont have a transfer kitty to get excited about for the next 3-5 years and any high profile manager wont be interested.

So Rafa + Torres and Masher to Juve........ which ignorant pr@t open his gob and spouted that cr@p??

I'm not sure that's going to be the case, reg. Their new stadium will be ready the season after next and will cost only slightly more than it took to take Cristiano Ronaldo to Real Madrid. Funded predominantly by a €50m loan and the sale of marketing rights as I understand it. They have no significant debt burden and turn a profit.

Besides, they will attract a high calibre of manager just by virtue of their standing in European football, whether they're highly paid or not.

Have you got a stadium link, I´d like to see it if you have. Why is theres so cheap yet ours way more expensive?

Because everything in this country is over priced compared to Italy, that's why they still have ship building industry and engineering industry and we don't

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:40 pm

Can i just say something , Rafa isnt going anywere he will be here next season :nod

by **shabelle50** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:47 pm

I wouldn't be convinced that Torres isn't going anywhere. Maybe not this summer but long term if things don't improve I can't see him serving out his contract. Ultimately if he did decide he couldn't play for another english club but wanted to leave the price would have to come down. I wouldn't rule out Italy or the Nou Camp in that scenario.

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:50 pm

Rafa ,Stevie , Fernando, Javier are not going nowhere , :;):

Wonder how much a Villa is in Woolton now days ,

by **Reg** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:53 pm

Thanks for that link S@int I´ll have a good butchers when I get home tonight however one para immediately jumped out at me:

'The stadium project had been officially approved by the Juventus executive committee (CDA) on the 18th of March for a total investment of approximately 105 million Euros. Expenses of such an extent will be relying on three pillars, said Juventus general director Jean-Claude Blanc during the last share-holders meeting : the agreement with Sportfive, the commercial side and the loan with regards to which a dialogue was opened with the entity responsible for sporting credits.'

105 million Euros

something doesnt add up and why the BH havent T&T moved our stadium forward?

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:09 pm

Its only a 40,000 seater stadium Reg, but its still a hell of a lot cheaper than what we are supposed to be paying. Maybe its easier to say you can't afford a stadium of £350million than a more reasonably priced one?

Last I heard, Gillett was pushing to just expand Anfield while Hicks still wants the new stadium.

by **Scottbot** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:33 pm

devaney wrote:
Tophatman wrote:Maybe if Benitez does go to Madrid,he may want to off load Alonso, back to us!!!

Why the fk do you think Real Madrid would be remotely interested in Benitez. Sorry forgot it was football - fk the job up - get a massive pay off - go to bigger club and get even more money - why?

Don't know why your jumping down his throat mate, I (and i'm pretty sure i'm not alone in thinking they will be interested in Rafa) think they will be watccing Rafa's situation at LFC very closely. Here's a few reasons why.

- He's a Real Madrid old boy
- He's Spanish
- He beat Madrid to two titles in 3 years whilst managing unfashionable Valencia
- He's won a European Cup and been to another final with LFC
- His record in the European Cup is pretty impressive period
- His Liverpool side completely wiped the floor with Madrid last season, winning at their place and thrashing them at Anfield
- Oh, and I understand they have been in for him THREE TIMES in the past during his stint with LFC.

That's why they might be interested (despite this clusterfu...c...k of season)

by **Reg** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:52 pm

s@int wrote:Its only a 40,000 seater stadium Reg, but its still a hell of a lot cheaper than what we are supposed to be paying. Maybe its easier to say you can't afford a stadium of £350million than a more reasonably priced one?

Last I heard, Gillett was pushing to just expand Anfield while Hicks still wants the new stadium.

40,000 wow... why would they want to do that, thats very short sighted.

by **LFC2007** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:54 pm

Reg wrote:105 million Euros something doesnt add up and why the BH havent T&T moved our stadium forward?

As saint said, it's only a 42,000 seater and these are apparently a huge wedge cheaper than those in the 60,000+ range. i.e. 40,000 - 60,000 (Accepting inflation) City of Manchester stadium - £110m. Estádio do Dragão (porto) - €100m. 60,000 + The Emirates - £400m, Wembley £800m.... and so on.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:07 pm

For a club their size Juve dont actually have that many fans going to watch games - they currently dont even get anywhere near a sell out at the del appi

by **devaney** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:08 am

Scottbot wrote:
devaney wrote:
Tophatman wrote:Maybe if Benitez does go to Madrid,he may want to off load Alonso, back to us!!!

Why the fk do you think Real Madrid would be remotely interested in Benitez. Sorry forgot it was football - fk the job up - get a massive pay off - go to bigger club and get even more money - why?

Don't know why your jumping down his throat mate, I (and i'm pretty sure i'm not alone in thinking they will be interested in Rafa) think they will be watccing Rafa's situation at LFC very closely. Here's a few reasons why.

- He's a Real Madrid old boy
- He's Spanish
- He beat Madrid to two titles in 3 years whilst managing unfashionable Valencia
- He's won a European Cup and been to another final with LFC
- His record in the European Cup is pretty impressive period
- His Liverpool side completely wiped the floor with Madrid last season, winning at their place and thrashing them at Anfield
- Oh, and I understand they have been in for him THREE TIMES in the past during his stint with LFC.

That's why they might be interested (despite this clusterfu...c...k of season)

Sorry Scott - I wasn't really having a go at you. All of you're reasons would look good on any CV for a prospective candidate but unfortunately you can pick holes in nearly all of them. For example just how good is his CL record.Very nearly out in the group stages the year we won it due to some idiotic tactical selections and then selects Kewell in the final and leaves Hamann out. Last season in the CL Rafa very nearly messed things up and this season he definately did.Real Madrid spent nearly a quarter of a billion pounds to rebuild what was a poor team by their standards and whilst the 4-1 was a brilliant result we caught them on a very bad day. Valencia winning the league title twice was a fantastic achievement but it was a long time ago. As for past interest in Rafa just how genuine was it? Was it just more agent hype to gain a superior negotiating stance to get Rafa his five year £25m contract.

I hate being so negative about Benitez but I really think it is time for a change. Rafa clearly seems to have run out of ideas in a season when Man United and Chelsea have lost a lot more games than in recent years. Everything seemed to start going wrong when Paco Ayestarán left after a disagreement and they had been together for a very long time. I don't think he has the same relationship with Sammy Lee - just an opinion - I'm not sure? Rafa clearly has problems with the man management side of his role. You only have to look at the body language of so many of the players to appreciate that they are absolutely fed up and Rafa seems incapable of motivating them. Is it Rafa, the silenced Kop, SOS protests or the chronic effect of our awful owners or a combination of things that have turned us into such a dispirited team?

Unless we win the Europa League Rafa will have gone four years without winning anything and for the best part playing some awful football. His stubbornness and boring style of play will be two of the key reasons that would not excite me if I was Real Madrid. His record in the transfer market would be another. The fact that he can speak Spanish would be an advantage - at least the fans would have a chance of understanding him!

by **lakes10** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:46 am

NANNY RED wrote:Can i just say something , Rafa isnt going anywere he will be here next season

lol just keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better

by **dawson99** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:52 am

lakes10 wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Can i just say something , Rafa isnt going anywere he will be here next season

lol just keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better

Rafa here for another season... hooray

(now wheres the fecking sarcastic smiley...)

by **Bad Bob** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:53 am

devaney wrote:
Scottbot wrote:
devaney wrote:
Tophatman wrote:Maybe if Benitez does go to Madrid,he may want to off load Alonso, back to us!!!

Why the fk do you think Real Madrid would be remotely interested in Benitez. Sorry forgot it was football - fk the job up - get a massive pay off - go to bigger club and get even more money - why?

Don't know why your jumping down his throat mate, I (and i'm pretty sure i'm not alone in thinking they will be interested in Rafa) think they will be watccing Rafa's situation at LFC very closely. Here's a few reasons why.

- He's a Real Madrid old boy
- He's Spanish
- He beat Madrid to two titles in 3 years whilst managing unfashionable Valencia
- He's won a European Cup and been to another final with LFC
- His record in the European Cup is pretty impressive period
- His Liverpool side completely wiped the floor with Madrid last season, winning at their place and thrashing them at Anfield
- Oh, and I understand they have been in for him THREE TIMES in the past during his stint with LFC.

That's why they might be interested (despite this clusterfu...c...k of season)

Sorry Scott - I wasn't really having a go at you. All of you're reasons would look good on any CV for a prospective candidate but unfortunately you can pick holes in nearly all of them. For example just how good is his CL record.Very nearly out in the group stages the year we won it due to some idiotic tactical selections and then selects Kewell in the final and leaves Hamann out. Last season in the CL Rafa very nearly messed things up and this season he definately did.Real Madrid spent nearly a quarter of a billion pounds to rebuild what was a poor team by their standards and whilst the 4-1 was a brilliant result we caught them on a very bad day. Valencia winning the league title twice was a fantastic achievement but it was a long time ago. As for past interest in Rafa just how genuine was it? Was it just more agent hype to gain a superior negotiating stance to get Rafa his five year £25m contract.

I hate being so negative about Benitez but I really think it is time for a change. Rafa clearly seems to have run out of ideas in a season when Man United and Chelsea have lost a lot more games than in recent years. Everything seemed to start going wrong when Paco Ayestarán left after a disagreement and they had been together for a very long time. I don't think he has the same relationship with Sammy Lee - just an opinion - I'm not sure? Rafa clearly has problems with the man management side of his role. You only have to look at the body language of so many of the players to appreciate that they are absolutely fed up and Rafa seems incapable of motivating them. Is it Rafa, the silenced Kop, SOS protests or the chronic effect of our awful owners or a combination of things that have turned us into such a dispirited team?

Unless we win the Europa League Rafa will have gone four years without winning anything and for the best part playing some awful football. His stubbornness and boring style of play will be two of the key reasons that would not excite me if I was Real Madrid. His record in the transfer market would be another. The fact that he can speak Spanish would be an advantage - at least the fans would have a chance of understanding him!

On the Real Madrid thing, a point and a question...

The point: Rafa's debatable transfer record wouldn't matter to them because, in Spain, the manager gets very little say over the transfers as it is, let alone at Madrid where every signing is about politics, marketing or both.

The question: what club hired 'Magic' Juande Ramos for his next managerial gig after he completely ballsed things up at Spurs? Answers on a postcard...

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