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Benny The Noon wrote:its simple loopy and i state it again - bellamy was sold to fund the arrival of torres not dossena or anyone else - bellamy went to help fund the arrival of torres . Would you rather we kept bellamy and not got torres ?

bigmick wrote:It's unfortunate that the New Year obviously hasn't seen a new perspective on the forum. I've never been able to work out why people who are staunch in their support of the manager simply cannot accept the right of others to disagree with them. I do disagree with them, I think they are wrong on the manager, but I think I understand why they feel the way they do about it, I respect their right to hold the views they do, and lets not forget because it's a very important point, they may even be right in the end. I hope we don't ultimately get to find out because I'm fairly sure they're not, but you do never know for sure.

Even a prolonged spell on the sidelines obviously hasn't caused Lando to look again at his style, to consider afresh his approach to debate on here which is a shame. I think it's possible to be every bit as robust and as staunch as he is without resorting to the silliness, posters such as Nanny Red, RBG, Igor and the like manage it without too much problem.

Some people of course are completely beyond help so far be it for me to even try, I've got better things to do with my time, but for most I hope we can at least find some common ground in that we all want what's best for the club. It's only in our assessment of how we actually get what is best for the club in the way we differ, so there's no need for all the hostility really.

s@int wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

s@int wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

s@int wrote:If thats the case then why is it acceptable for you to stalk/comment on me Lando.

Just out of interest, you understand...

Mate - I'm not the one crying about it - you are.

No I am the one saying how pathetic it is and pretty much thinking the same about you too.

Well that's up to you, I guess. Perhaps a good, long look in the mirror is the order of the day, though.

I think that long looks into mirrors is more in your line anyway  mate...... gotta keep those highlites in tip top condition 

Your invention astounds me... 

maypaxvobiscum wrote:

Sir Roger wrote:

maypaxvobiscum wrote:"we" as in Liverpool.....under Rafa.

"He" then?
What a pity. If only he'd have concentrated on the attacking football we played back then..

one of my beef with rafa is that the players that he sold, were of much better quality than those he brought in. Bellamy and Warnock should never have been sold IMO.

and btw, we really lack a fiery character like Cantona or Keane who would really fire everyone up, hence why i was happy to see Bellamy come, and disappointed to see him go.

bigmick wrote:Bellamy was a poor sale as it turns out, with the benefit of hindsight. Might as well just admit it and move on, this silliness in trying to pretend all the fee we got for him went towards buying Torres (because Bellamy's fee will have been 100% paid up front obviously) and none of it went towards buying less successful purchases is never going to change that. At the time we sold him there weren't many who said it wasn't a good idea (there were a couple though    ) but in fairness even those of us expressed doubts would have struggled to have forseen his form recently.

Quite simply he's improved as some players do, learnt his trade and has discovered how to play the game. it happens, it's the same as Peter Crouch progressing via a career at QPR, Southampton reserves and then onto Liverpool and England. I don't really blame the manager for the sale, they happen sometimes. I think we could have used Bellamy better while we had him, but given he'd just twatted Riise around the napper with a 7 iron obviously something had to give.

Not for the first time people are being a bit quick with the excuses. Just accept it as a mistake and move on, not that difficult really.

Lando_Griffin wrote:

bigmick wrote:It's unfortunate that the New Year obviously hasn't seen a new perspective on the forum. I've never been able to work out why people who are staunch in their support of the manager simply cannot accept the right of others to disagree with them. I do disagree with them, I think they are wrong on the manager, but I think I understand why they feel the way they do about it, I respect their right to hold the views they do, and lets not forget because it's a very important point, they may even be right in the end. I hope we don't ultimately get to find out because I'm fairly sure they're not, but you do never know for sure.

Even a prolonged spell on the sidelines obviously hasn't caused Lando to look again at his style, to consider afresh his approach to debate on here which is a shame. I think it's possible to be every bit as robust and as staunch as he is without resorting to the silliness, posters such as Nanny Red, RBG, Igor and the like manage it without too much problem.

Some people of course are completely beyond help so far be it for me to even try, I've got better things to do with my time, but for most I hope we can at least find some common ground in that we all want what's best for the club. It's only in our assessment of how we actually get what is best for the club in the way we differ, so there's no need for all the hostility really.

So you can't see the hypocrisy in Saint's conversation with Kazza?

Or are you merely suggesting that I shouldn't point it out?

loopyliverpool wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:bellamy was sold due to the arrival and to help fund a certain mr torres , i know which i would pick also bellamy never showed any sort of form for us despite playing a fair number of games in his one season with us . Warnock while a decent player was blessed with a lot of injuries and was third choice behind riise and fabio and left to get first team football . Those players left for valid reasons

Look, to develop a good squad you keep your best players its a simple as that. Rafa sells Bellamy for £7m and a season later he is sold to Man City for £14m. Yes inflated but still a much sort after player by Mark Hughes and an absolute favourite amongst City fans. How about looking at it as Rafa sells Bellamy for £7m and buys Dossena for £7m. A part from Reina and Torres I personally feel Rafa has been an unmitigated disaster in his transfer dealings. He buys players and plays them out of position which remains a mystery and doesn't buy players we patently need ie. strikers (at least two) and a 'decent' cover for centre back.

redbeergoggles wrote:

bigmick wrote:Bellamy was a poor sale as it turns out, with the benefit of hindsight. Might as well just admit it and move on, this silliness in trying to pretend all the fee we got for him went towards buying Torres (because Bellamy's fee will have been 100% paid up front obviously) and none of it went towards buying less successful purchases is never going to change that. At the time we sold him there weren't many who said it wasn't a good idea (there were a couple though    ) but in fairness even those of us expressed doubts would have struggled to have forseen his form recently.

Quite simply he's improved as some players do, learnt his trade and has discovered how to play the game. it happens, it's the same as Peter Crouch progressing via a career at QPR, Southampton reserves and then onto Liverpool and England. I don't really blame the manager for the sale, they happen sometimes. I think we could have used Bellamy better while we had him, but given he'd just twatted Riise around the napper with a 7 iron obviously something had to give.

Not for the first time people are being a bit quick with the excuses. Just accept it as a mistake and move on, not that difficult really.

I agree over Bellamy Mick ,its probably the one sale I still feel slightly aggrieved  over (well cheated for want of a more apt description ) I still think he could have provided a lot more goals had he been retained ,I was genuinely delighted when we first procured his services but as you have stated its irrelevant because it has been firmly resigned to the what if column ...

Benny The Noon wrote:ace is not just money im talking about its also due to bellamy being poor the whole season , smacking other liverpool players with golf clubs and having to loose a striker to bring in the best striker in the world . But what i have forgotten in my little time away is it all doesnt matter and its just sillyness as its not off the opinion of mick so i will count myself reducated and back in my place of sillyness and will remember that other peoples opinion doesnt matter . No wonder people stop posting when they get people trying to stomp all over them when they have the cheek to other a different opinion . Some people need to take their overinflated head out of their own backside . This forum is supposed to be about different opinions but their is no point posting when certain people will just try and demean you and belittle you because you offer something different .

jeez mate im sorry i didnt mean it like that..

Tbh i thought you were talking about money and that what the response was for...

Anyways... lets try to bring this topic back on track...

SACK RAFA !!! 

aCe' wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:ace is not just money im talking about its also due to bellamy being poor the whole season , smacking other liverpool players with golf clubs and having to loose a striker to bring in the best striker in the world . But what i have forgotten in my little time away is it all doesnt matter and its just sillyness as its not off the opinion of mick so i will count myself reducated and back in my place of sillyness and will remember that other peoples opinion doesnt matter . No wonder people stop posting when they get people trying to stomp all over them when they have the cheek to other a different opinion . Some people need to take their overinflated head out of their own backside . This forum is supposed to be about different opinions but their is no point posting when certain people will just try and demean you and belittle you because you offer something different .

jeez mate im sorry i didnt mean it like that..

Tbh i thought you were talking about money and that what the response was for...

Anyways... lets try to bring this topic back on track...

SACK RAFA !!! 

NO ,

Lando_Griffin wrote:

bigmick wrote:Bellamy was a poor sale as it turns out, with the benefit of hindsight. Might as well just admit it and move on, this silliness in trying to pretend all the fee we got for him went towards buying Torres (because Bellamy's fee will have been 100% paid up front obviously) and none of it went towards buying less successful purchases is never going to change that. At the time we sold him there weren't many who said it wasn't a good idea (there were a couple though    ) but in fairness even those of us expressed doubts would have struggled to have forseen his form recently.

Quite simply he's improved as some players do, learnt his trade and has discovered how to play the game. it happens, it's the same as Peter Crouch progressing via a career at QPR, Southampton reserves and then onto Liverpool and England. I don't really blame the manager for the sale, they happen sometimes. I think we could have used Bellamy better while we had him, but given he'd just twatted Riise around the napper with a 7 iron obviously something had to give.

Not for the first time people are being a bit quick with the excuses. Just accept it as a mistake and move on, not that difficult really.

Bellamy Man City '09-'10 record:

Games 16. Goals 6.

Kuyt Liverpool '09-'10 record:

Games 14. Goals 5.

bigmick wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

bigmick wrote:It's unfortunate that the New Year obviously hasn't seen a new perspective on the forum. I've never been able to work out why people who are staunch in their support of the manager simply cannot accept the right of others to disagree with them. I do disagree with them, I think they are wrong on the manager, but I think I understand why they feel the way they do about it, I respect their right to hold the views they do, and lets not forget because it's a very important point, they may even be right in the end. I hope we don't ultimately get to find out because I'm fairly sure they're not, but you do never know for sure.

Even a prolonged spell on the sidelines obviously hasn't caused Lando to look again at his style, to consider afresh his approach to debate on here which is a shame. I think it's possible to be every bit as robust and as staunch as he is without resorting to the silliness, posters such as Nanny Red, RBG, Igor and the like manage it without too much problem.

Some people of course are completely beyond help so far be it for me to even try, I've got better things to do with my time, but for most I hope we can at least find some common ground in that we all want what's best for the club. It's only in our assessment of how we actually get what is best for the club in the way we differ, so there's no need for all the hostility really.

So you can't see the hypocrisy in Saint's conversation with Kazza?

Or are you merely suggesting that I shouldn't point it out?

I don't comment on discussions that particular poster has Lando, whether it be with s@int, me or anyone else. I long since resolved to give that one a wide berth, and despite the fact that 90% of his posts either make reference to me by name or by quote, I intend to stick with my resolution, and that includes his pm's as well.

No, my observations regarding you were nothing to do with that. They were more to do with the general tone of your imput since your welcome return. I don't expect for a second that me and you are going to agree on much if anything (save for a grudging concession from me that Alonso was both more important than I gave him credit for, and that he was better than Lucas by an even bigger margin than I imagined). While we don't agree on much though, I still think it's possible to disagree whilst having and maintaining a respect for the other persons point of view.

I've said it many times now, if I can think the manager is as big a disaster as I do and yet understand those who want to keep him, why can't those that want to keep him make the same concession?