Liverpool FC Forum

by **kazza** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:43 am

kazza wrote:
bigmick wrote:I wonder if the anti Rafa brigade filled up all the threads with similar posts to the ones which have been posted recently how it would go down I don't wonder because I know. The daft part about it is, in their attemtps to take the p!ss people are simply guilty of self parody. They're quite right in many respects, how ridiculous is it for a Liverpool fan to harbour hopes of being higher than 7th, we should be worshipping Rafa for his genius .

Real fans like being 7th, because it's cool and they can prove to everyone how real they are by "walking though a storm".

Or on the other hand we can all listen to people that have done jack to do with football (I mean nothing at all) yet seem to regularly proclaim themselves as a footballing masiah because they rehash the that the pundits (that actually get paid) spout.

No one walks through a storm because they like it, they do it because there is no choice other than to jump ship, an option beneath them and yet you speak about it as if it is a critism. If Jose was manager you would still be whinning, complaining because that is who you are. Hiding behind sarcasm all the time just illistrates the point.

(thought I would save you the trouble) :laugh:

by **Sabre** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:49 am

These real fans, these Leons, these Igors, these Nannys, apparently have very low expectations, they want us warned, but they have a tendency to go the matches, so I'll always have time for what they have to say.

So if they say Viva Newkit, then Viva Newkit it is.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:54 am

FFS Kazza give the stalking a rest and try talking about football rather than criticising Mick.

I would have posted a smilie too, but I wasn't sure which would be the right one to use.

by **kazza** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:04 am

s@int wrote:FFS Kazza give the stalking a rest and try talking about football rather than criticising Mick.

I would have posted a smilie too, but I wasn't sure which would be the right one to use.

feck off saint, any chance of a balanced view from you is gone since you were one of the five out of hundreds that voted me "baddie of the forum". You said (threatened) you would ignore me and I had no objection so give it a try. I responded to a non football post in the same manner yet you have no problem with the original post because you agree with it. Practice what you preach and ignore me, I'll live don't worry.

Mick is a big boy and is quite happy to antagonize, and responds very quickly to my posts (in his usual eloquent way), so why the velvet glove treatment. He is hardly a victim. Or is it you that is the victim for having to read it, because if it is there is an option (something to do with ignoring and poster)

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:20 am

kunilson wrote:the whole debate is boring. everyone is a fan, some vent by calling for his head, some vent by calling for the heads of those calling for his head. displaced anger from a sh1tty season so far.

but he's here now so we can only support what we claim to, and thats Liverpool FC, and he's a part of it right now....that decision for damn sure aint ours.

in other breaking news: i cant sleep.

It's a good post, mate. Well said. I'll support the manager - if not neccassarily agree with him - so long as he is at this club. He's given us some of the best nights in our history in European football where we'd slipped to being a joke in it for a long time prior. For that, I'll always have respect for him, like I still have respect for Houllier, and if he should leave, then it'll be with saddness on my part, just as I was saddend when GH, and Evans before him departed. They are good servants to the crest, and it can be insulting to see them be treated with such disprespect. Have a varying opinion, but respect should be given as the man has earned it.

The league seems to be a poisoned chalice for us, and I think it's not completely fair to blame any manager for the club's failings in the past to keep up.

by **kazza** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:38 am

Emerald Red wrote:The league seems to be a poisoned chalice for us, and I think it's not completely fair to blame any manager for the club's failings in the past to keep up.

I do not feel the same as I did when GH was manager because I was sure he needed to go. I get none of those feelings about Rafa despite having a worse run than GH did. Rafa is the right man for the club, but we will have to hang in there for him. The club has never been this poor a shape from a boardroom level and that is the real issue. Another manager is not going to put his arm around our players and win us the league as some simplistically claim (even the special one), the problem is at boardroom level and until that changes it'll probably be more of the same.

We are a much stonger force since Rafa came, talking about being seventh is opportunism as we will be in much better shape at the end of the season.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:31 am

kazza wrote:
s@int wrote:FFS Kazza give the stalking a rest and try talking about football rather than criticising Mick.

I would have posted a smilie too, but I wasn't sure which would be the right one to use.

feck off saint, any chance of a balanced view from you is gone since you were one of the five out of hundreds that voted me "baddie of the forum". You said (threatened) you would ignore me and I had no objection so give it a try. I responded to a non football post in the same manner yet you have no problem with the original post because you agree with it. Practice what you preach and ignore me, I'll live don't worry.

Mick is a big boy and is quite happy to antagonize, and responds very quickly to my posts (in his usual eloquent way), so why the velvet glove treatment. He is hardly a victim. Or is it you that is the victim for having to read it, because if it is there is an option (something to do with ignoring and poster)

I think its you that should feck off. I offered to ignore you .... not threatened, but your pathetic stalking is spoiling more and more threads, so like it or lump it I will be commenting on it.

I also said that I thought you were a decent poster when you bothered to post about football rather than Mick, maybe I was wrong and all you can do is stalk people rather than join in the football discussions?

Why don't you try using the ignore option yourself and ignore Mick , me too if that helps.

It doesn't matter whether I agree with Mick's comments or not, I certainly don't agree with your pathetic stalking.

by **Boocity** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:03 am

Emerald Red wrote:
kunilson wrote:the whole debate is boring. everyone is a fan, some vent by calling for his head, some vent by calling for the heads of those calling for his head. displaced anger from a sh1tty season so far.

but he's here now so we can only support what we claim to, and thats Liverpool FC, and he's a part of it right now....that decision for damn sure aint ours.

in other breaking news: i cant sleep.

It's a good post, mate. Well said. I'll support the manager - if not neccassarily agree with him - so long as he is at this club. He's given us some of the best nights in our history in European football where we'd slipped to being a joke in it for a long time prior. For that, I'll always have respect for him, like I still have respect for Houllier, and if he should leave, then it'll be with saddness on my part, just as I was saddend when GH, and Evans before him departed. They are good servants to the crest, and it can be insulting to see them be treated with such disprespect. Have a varying opinion, but respect should be given as the man has earned it.

The league seems to be a poisoned chalice for us, and I think it's not completely fair to blame any manager for the club's failings in the past to keep up.

I agree with you EM, I will continue to support Rafa while he is manager and will always respect him when he leaves.

However, if it was a choice between him staying and us plodding on the way we are and him leaving, I would say go.

I don't blame Rafa because of our past failings, I am blaming him for the here and now, the position we are in 5 years after he took control, its not as if he only took over in the summer and is on his honeymoon period.

by **kazza** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:54 am

s@int wrote:I think its you that should feck off. I offered to ignore you .... not threatened, but your pathetic stalking is spoiling more and more threads, so like it or lump it I will be commenting on it.

I also said that I thought you were a decent poster when you bothered to post about football rather than Mick, maybe I was wrong and all you can do is stalk people rather than join in the football discussions?

Why don't you try using the ignore option yourself and ignore Mick , me too if that helps.

It doesn't matter whether I agree with Mick's comments or not, I certainly don't agree with your pathetic stalking.

I read "Rafa is sh1t" I say "no he is not, what do you know" and then get accused of stalking and not talking football. The stalking thing is there to discredit me but it does not make my posts any less valid. I do not swear or insult (generally) but respond to cr@p posts. This "discuss football" sh1t is cr@p because there is not much sensible football being discussed that I can read. I read plenty of posters that get on their high horse and think they are discussing football but it is the same sh1t but in a different box. I discuss football everyday Saint (and I get paid for it too :;):

), here I come for information about the team I support. The situation has been manipulated to make me appear as "stalker" because afterall, if you read it on the net it must be true.

I am quite confident in my intelligence (both football and all other) and my worth to the world we live in, after all I have all the facts. Happily I sleep well every night without feelings of guilt or remorse and wake up every morning feeling positive. As I read bullsh1t I will give my counter argument and as usual will be greeted with a sleepy smiley. Calling me a stalker will not change that.

Offering to ignore me, threatening to ignore me it amounts to the same thing. Calling me a good poster while voting me the worst (sorry baddie) of the forum has no credibility. And spoiling threads?? :laugh:

, clearly you have not been reading them. The last thread with this title was flushed... and then we went downhill.

by **kazza** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:10 pm

Skysports:

Steven Gerrard has delivered a hard-hitting assessment of Liverpool's disappointing season, insisting he and his team-mates must take responsibility.

The Reds' campaign can already be described as a failure following their exit from the UEFA Champions League at the group stages.

Rafa Benitez's team are also in a fierce battle to qualify for next season's European Cup as ahead of Sunday's crucial meeting with fourth-placed Tottenham they trail Spurs by four points.

A number of poor displays have led to suggestions that Benitez, who guided Liverpool to second in the Premier League in 2008/09, could be facing the sack, but captain Gerrard is in no doubt as to where the blame should lie.

"People have said our position is puzzling after last season's success. It's not puzzling at all. The table never lies, we haven't been good enough," he told Zoo magazine.

Big belief
"We are in this position for a reason and it tells us that we really haven't been good enough, and the players have to take responsibility for that.

"All us Liverpool players have got to look at our league position, roll our sleeves up and get this football club back where it belongs, as far up the table as possible."

He added: "It has been hard to take this season, yes. We're all very disappointed with the way things have gone, especially after finishing second last campaign.

"There was a big belief we could go all the way. But now is not the time for hiding. We have to look at ourselves and put it right.

"We must aim for the top four, and that is something big to play for still. It's a priority now, as it always is at this club, for financial reasons and because all top players want to play in the Champions League, me included.

"I still think we can turn the corner. As captain, I've got to make sure that happens. It's fine looking at why it's happening, but we need to put it right on the pitch."

*********************

Clearly he is a "real fan"

by **Judge** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:19 pm

he does the lottery, but he rotates his numbers too much, and the week b4 last numbers came up this week, but he'd rotated them and got nowt

which is about where we are now

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:40 pm

Same sh.it different day it seems then .

Kazza maybe just ignore the little digs from Bm and just concentrate on posting football .

by **Sir Roger** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:11 pm

kazza wrote:Skysports:

Steven Gerrard has delivered a hard-hitting assessment of Liverpool's disappointing season, insisting he and his team-mates must take responsibility.

The Reds' campaign can already be described as a failure following their exit from the UEFA Champions League at the group stages.

Rafa Benitez's team are also in a fierce battle to qualify for next season's European Cup as ahead of Sunday's crucial meeting with fourth-placed Tottenham they trail Spurs by four points.

A number of poor displays have led to suggestions that Benitez, who guided Liverpool to second in the Premier League in 2008/09, could be facing the sack, but captain Gerrard is in no doubt as to where the blame should lie.

"People have said our position is puzzling after last season's success. It's not puzzling at all. The table never lies, we haven't been good enough," he told Zoo magazine.

Big belief
"We are in this position for a reason and it tells us that we really haven't been good enough, and the players have to take responsibility for that.

"All us Liverpool players have got to look at our league position, roll our sleeves up and get this football club back where it belongs, as far up the table as possible."

He added: "It has been hard to take this season, yes. We're all very disappointed with the way things have gone, especially after finishing second last campaign.

"There was a big belief we could go all the way. But now is not the time for hiding. We have to look at ourselves and put it right.

"We must aim for the top four, and that is something big to play for still. It's a priority now, as it always is at this club, for financial reasons and because all top players want to play in the Champions League, me included.

"I still think we can turn the corner. As captain, I've got to make sure that happens. It's fine looking at why it's happening, but we need to put it right on the pitch."

*********************

Clearly he is a "real fan"

"We are in this position for a reason and it tells us that we really haven't been good enough, and the players have to take responsibility for that. "

Not the manager then..?

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:16 pm

Sir Roger wrote:
kazza wrote:Skysports:

Steven Gerrard has delivered a hard-hitting assessment of Liverpool's disappointing season, insisting he and his team-mates must take responsibility.

The Reds' campaign can already be described as a failure following their exit from the UEFA Champions League at the group stages.

Rafa Benitez's team are also in a fierce battle to qualify for next season's European Cup as ahead of Sunday's crucial meeting with fourth-placed Tottenham they trail Spurs by four points.

A number of poor displays have led to suggestions that Benitez, who guided Liverpool to second in the Premier League in 2008/09, could be facing the sack, but captain Gerrard is in no doubt as to where the blame should lie.

"People have said our position is puzzling after last season's success. It's not puzzling at all. The table never lies, we haven't been good enough," he told Zoo magazine.

Big belief
"We are in this position for a reason and it tells us that we really haven't been good enough, and the players have to take responsibility for that.

"All us Liverpool players have got to look at our league position, roll our sleeves up and get this football club back where it belongs, as far up the table as possible."

He added: "It has been hard to take this season, yes. We're all very disappointed with the way things have gone, especially after finishing second last campaign.

"There was a big belief we could go all the way. But now is not the time for hiding. We have to look at ourselves and put it right.

"We must aim for the top four, and that is something big to play for still. It's a priority now, as it always is at this club, for financial reasons and because all top players want to play in the Champions League, me included.

"I still think we can turn the corner. As captain, I've got to make sure that happens. It's fine looking at why it's happening, but we need to put it right on the pitch."

*********************

Clearly he is a "real fan"

"We are in this position for a reason and it tells us that we really haven't been good enough, and the players have to take responsibility for that. "

Not the manager then..?

You'll have to get on the phone to Steve Gerrard to get an answer to that, not on here.

by **Judge** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:30 pm

the book stops at the manager roger...period

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Sack him. if you want the manager sacked - ...put your thoughts in here.

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