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Owzat wrote:

bavlondon wrote:The Mancini move seems strange. As Lawro said on MOTD it's essentially another gamble. I was expecting a Hiddink or Mourinho to come in, someone that is used to being able to handle big egos.

I think Mancini has more chance of taking Citeh somewhere than Hughes ever had. I said a long time ago that Hughes wouldn't have the wherewithall in the big money spending circles, taking a manager like him, smeegel or Hodgson out of their comfort zone of "doing well on limited resources" and expecting them to compete with the very best isn't guaranteed success. There's a chance it will work, like with fergie, but for every fergie success there is a Hughes, Souness, Hoddle, etc etc.

As much as I don't rate him, I'd almost be prepared to give the leprechaun a go. I think he's as much chance of winning the league as Rafa, if not more. I shudder to think of all the ordinary English players he would try and buy, of his tactics and so on, but he's doing better with less at villa and we might have a chance of securing his services. That said, I have doubts he can step up to the mark. Even with more money at villa than he had a Leicester he's not shaken the top four up that much. Sure he's doing ok so far, but mainly because over-rated Hughes and Rafa have stumbled.

He signed Ashley Young for £9.65m, the kid can't get in the England side which says a lot. He went out and bought the likes of Petrov, Carew, Heskey, Luke Young, Cuellar, Reo-Coker and Shorey which is a rag tag band of decent but nothing special players. Move him to Anfield and I reckon he'd emulate Houllier and Benitez, get more money than he is really used to and go paying over the odds for players at villa he might have signed for less - and more suited to villa's current level than being title winners.

Go for Mourinho and you might find he won't know how to spend only £40m a summer on a squad that isn't already there or thereabouts in title terms. Might beg the question is/was Ranieri a better manager than a) Mourinho and b) Benitez. Ranieri laid a solid foundation, Mourinho added the finishing touches before his arrogance dismantled the squad and the mancs rose to the top again. He ran quickly to a club he knew he'd have better odds of winning leagues with again, hiding behind having the best team in the league once again.

bavlondon wrote:

Owzat wrote:

bavlondon wrote:The Mancini move seems strange. As Lawro said on MOTD it's essentially another gamble. I was expecting a Hiddink or Mourinho to come in, someone that is used to being able to handle big egos.

I think Mancini has more chance of taking Citeh somewhere than Hughes ever had. I said a long time ago that Hughes wouldn't have the wherewithall in the big money spending circles, taking a manager like him, smeegel or Hodgson out of their comfort zone of "doing well on limited resources" and expecting them to compete with the very best isn't guaranteed success. There's a chance it will work, like with fergie, but for every fergie success there is a Hughes, Souness, Hoddle, etc etc.

As much as I don't rate him, I'd almost be prepared to give the leprechaun a go. I think he's as much chance of winning the league as Rafa, if not more. I shudder to think of all the ordinary English players he would try and buy, of his tactics and so on, but he's doing better with less at villa and we might have a chance of securing his services. That said, I have doubts he can step up to the mark. Even with more money at villa than he had a Leicester he's not shaken the top four up that much. Sure he's doing ok so far, but mainly because over-rated Hughes and Rafa have stumbled.

He signed Ashley Young for £9.65m, the kid can't get in the England side which says a lot. He went out and bought the likes of Petrov, Carew, Heskey, Luke Young, Cuellar, Reo-Coker and Shorey which is a rag tag band of decent but nothing special players. Move him to Anfield and I reckon he'd emulate Houllier and Benitez, get more money than he is really used to and go paying over the odds for players at villa he might have signed for less - and more suited to villa's current level than being title winners.

Go for Mourinho and you might find he won't know how to spend only £40m a summer on a squad that isn't already there or thereabouts in title terms. Might beg the question is/was Ranieri a better manager than a) Mourinho and b) Benitez. Ranieri laid a solid foundation, Mourinho added the finishing touches before his arrogance dismantled the squad and the mancs rose to the top again. He ran quickly to a club he knew he'd have better odds of winning leagues with again, hiding behind having the best team in the league once again.

On Mancini I think he is a bit overated. He only won the league in Italy thanks to a combination of teams getting relegated or docked points for the match fixing scandal.

In regards to who id like to see here? Well if things took a turn for the better in the ownership situation id like Hiddink otherwise yeah probably O'Neil. But it all really depends on how much we will have to spend in the summer.

dawson99 wrote:We've given the manager years... and the team don't seem to want to play for him. That's what it comes down to, will the players play for him or not. Personally I don't think they will...

Its easy to see that the tactics rafa is doing are not working the team he is picking are not doing the job like n'gog scores midweek chasein the game at pompey he brings on a young midfielder why bring on a midfielder any other manager would brought on a foward for me i think jobs the gun when we are loosing ya masch was sent off but pompey are bottem of the table i know were not going best moment but we are one best team's in world we should beat them with nine men  i dunno sack him after xmas i say if we dont step up our game otherwise we wont even get in the europa cup next year ......    

crim cram wrote:What is frustrating is seeing players like Johnson, Lucas, Dossenea, Babble, and whoever else not progress under Rafa.  Dossena was the first choice left back for Italy!!!! Our players don't seem to get better and actually regress in many cases.  Lucas - Player of the Year in Brazil?  Can we find a manager who will improve the players we have?  Because with the financials the way they are we seem fated to not make a lot of noise in the transfer market.

Reg wrote:If Rafa walked whatever, I'd appoint Hughes straight away. He's done a sound job at City and considering the difficulties of moulding a new team with big names the club has shown no patience at all - to some other club's benefit when they snap him up.

Reg wrote:If Rafa walked whatever, I'd appoint Hughes straight away. He's done a sound job at City and considering the difficulties of moulding a new team with big names the club has shown no patience at all - to some other club's benefit when they snap him up.

Reg wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:Do you know what everyone on here knows how much i loved Xabi, still do But ill tell you something i really wish Sammi was still here , He would be our rock i know he would,More of a loss to us than we realise,

The issue isnt that we let Sami go Nan, but that we didnt replace him with the right calibre of person.

Liverpool442 wrote:Rafa:
1) Man management terrible just look at Alonso, Crouch, Keane all good players he treated like sh+t and forced out.
2) Transfers simple facts give he big money and he will spend it well anything less that that turn out average at best and on some occasions rubbish. ie: Degan,Josemi,Komkamp,Dossena, Lucas.
3) Substitutions oh yes ! were losing one nil lets swop a left back for a left back no earier than 68 minutes tactical genius !!! (Every manager in the premiership can plan their subs around the predictability of Rafas
4) Team selection strange Benayoun x2 hatricks dropped next game, Kuyt hits run of bad form and yet keeps playing 90 minutes
5) Tactics, Rafa can say what he likes about Gerrard being a striker its boll*cks we play 1 up front every game regardless of the opposition.
6) Misc: defensive system that involves every player in the box for set pieces but cannot afford anyone on the posts ? Our striker and one of the quickest players i the league marking in the box rather than being a threat on the halfway line and making them keep defenders back ? Corners / set pieces, do we really practice them, when was the last time we scored from a corner ?