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by **Igor Zidane** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:56 pm

PiNEAPPLES

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:57 pm

made in UK wrote:Why is everyone winking?

Its just a nervous twitch, all the pros have got one now

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:00 am

s@int wrote:
made in UK wrote:Why is everyone winking?

Its just a nervous twitch, all the pros have got one now

An all the antis have got a limp.

Stamping yeh foot on the floor does yeh hips in , :;):

by **made in UK** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:02 am

Igor Zidane wrote: PiNEAPPLES

I don't get it :laugh:

by **Igor Zidane** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:03 am

Well there's always George Burley gents :;):

Actually do you's remember when that c@nt got manager of the year ,the year ged won us the treble . Feckin travesty that . Atleast he's got that over Rafa i suppose.

by **Igor Zidane** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:04 am

made in UK wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote::;): PiNEAPPLES

I don't get it

I knew you were LUCKY all along

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:09 am

made in UK wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote::;): PiNEAPPLES

I don't get it

Join the pros an you can have a wink an all :laugh:

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:16 am

bigmick wrote:30 points off the pace in season one is an interesting one for a couple of reasons Bav. Firstly we had no business finishing quite so far behind, a fact often overlooked. We concentrated quite hard on the Champions League that season for obvious reasons, and we also were in the middle of the biggest rotational experiment English football had ever seen. You're right though, we have definately improved from then, as you would expect for a team which has spent as much money as we have and which has included Steven Gerrard at his peak. The question is not whether or not we have improved, but have we improved enough, and will Rafa ever win us the title?

Now people often quote Rafa's first season as the benchmark, simply because it was such an awful effort in the league and it makes it look like we're coming on in leaps and bounds. The reality is different though. Rafa took over a ramshackle lot from Houllier true enough, but Houllier managed to get them into fourth place the previous season even without Alonso, Garcia and the rest. Rafa of course couldn't get us into the top four, but we were a bit better than that I think. We actually got the same number of points as Bolton in Rafa's first season. Nobody will ever convince me that Rafa's team was not a better side than "Big Sam yeah's " outfit. We finished three points ahead of Middlesboro'. It truly was an absolutely awful effort, and lest we ever forget and decide to return to a mass stylothon it is written in stone in the form of the league table for all to see. That wasn't an indication of how bad the team were, it was an indication of how wrong we got it IMHO.

The following season we definately improved and got ourselves to within nine points of the winners (Chelsea). Crucially, we were only one point behind the Mancs at that point (after Rafa's second season). We also won the FA Cup. In the following two seasons we won feck all and finioshed a mile back. Last season we did better, still winning feck all but getting close in the league.

This season it's looking distinctly possible we'll win feck all again, and I don't think many people can see us getting as close in the league as we did last season and we may even miss out on the top four. It is even concieveable that after six years of the plan, the Rafalution, we could be right back where we started from except for the fact that in all probability we won't win the Champions League this season.

Now I know I'm not going to convince you or anyone else Bav, and I'm not trying. I'm simply pointing out that those who have doubts have extremely good reasons for doing so.

by **heimdall** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:45 am

LFC2007 wrote:
Owzat wrote:And is Rafa committed to the cause? If he leaves because we sell Torres then how is that committed?

Seemed a fair enough point to me,

cue the "yeah well I would have expected you to say that". :sleep

by **heimdall** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:55 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
bigmick wrote:30 points off the pace in season one is an interesting one for a couple of reasons Bav. Firstly we had no business finishing quite so far behind, a fact often overlooked. We concentrated quite hard on the Champions League that season for obvious reasons, and we also were in the middle of the biggest rotational experiment English football had ever seen. You're right though, we have definately improved from then, as you would expect for a team which has spent as much money as we have and which has included Steven Gerrard at his peak. The question is not whether or not we have improved, but have we improved enough, and will Rafa ever win us the title?

Now people often quote Rafa's first season as the benchmark, simply because it was such an awful effort in the league and it makes it look like we're coming on in leaps and bounds. The reality is different though. Rafa took over a ramshackle lot from Houllier true enough, but Houllier managed to get them into fourth place the previous season even without Alonso, Garcia and the rest. Rafa of course couldn't get us into the top four, but we were a bit better than that I think. We actually got the same number of points as Bolton in Rafa's first season. Nobody will ever convince me that Rafa's team was not a better side than "Big Sam yeah's " outfit. We finished three points ahead of Middlesboro'. It truly was an absolutely awful effort, and lest we ever forget and decide to return to a mass stylothon it is written in stone in the form of the league table for all to see. That wasn't an indication of how bad the team were, it was an indication of how wrong we got it IMHO.

The following season we definately improved and got ourselves to within nine points of the winners (Chelsea). Crucially, we were only one point behind the Mancs at that point (after Rafa's second season). We also won the FA Cup. In the following two seasons we won feck all and finioshed a mile back. Last season we did better, still winning feck all but getting close in the league.

This season it's looking distinctly possible we'll win feck all again, and I don't think many people can see us getting as close in the league as we did last season and we may even miss out on the top four. It is even concieveable that after six years of the plan, the Rafalution, we could be right back where we started from except for the fact that in all probability we won't win the Champions League this season.

Now I know I'm not going to convince you or anyone else Bav, and I'm not trying. I'm simply pointing out that those who have doubts have extremely good reasons for doing so.

That's constructive criticism at it's very best, weren't you the one banging on about disrespecting other posters. :no

by **LFC2007** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:02 am

heimdall wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Owzat wrote:And is Rafa committed to the cause? If he leaves because we sell Torres then how is that committed?

Seemed a fair enough point to me,

If he wasn't 'committed to the cause' would he not be at Madrid, Barcelona or Inter Milan right now?

If he wasn't 'committed to the cause', perhaps he'd have left after the owners made their approach for Jurgen Klinsmann public?

I think you know the answers to these questions, but for one reason or another you just can't resist riding on the coattails of others who share a dislike for Rafa. Perhaps for a change you might consider developing your own ideas, and at least occasionally try reasoning?

The simple fact is that having the ownership sell your second best player would normally be enough to force most self-respecting managers to resign. It would fundamentally undermine his position as manager. He wants to succeed and by definition he therefore wants the club to succeed, but he cannot pursue his goals - our goals - if he hasn't the most basic assurance from the owners that he has the final say on transfers. Incidentally, I don't for a moment believe he would've signed a contract extension without that express assurance (it's implicit anyway), and so if ever the owners breached that condition - and certainly to the extent this example would provide - he'd be well within his rights to terminate his contract (entitling him to receive, no doubt, a minimum level of compensation).

by **LFC2007** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:27 am

bigmick wrote:I personally don't think there is any doubt that Rafa is "committed to the cause".

Jump on that, Heimdall :laugh:

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:34 am

If things didn't change, I would love to see him in Liverpool

by **killerp** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:58 am

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Chelsea will be the next stop for Hiddink unless he wants to do another football revolution for another lucky country (or club maybe . :shifty

) although Russia's luck ran out.

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:55 am

killerp wrote:[img=http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/e363cd8ce0.jpg]

Chelsea will be the next stop for Hiddink unless he wants to do another football revolution for another lucky country (or club maybe . ) although Russia's luck ran out.

I would imagine that Chelsea are delighted with the manager they already have at the moment mate.

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