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by **simolonge** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:38 pm

JohnBull wrote:Parry's a pryck Always has been always will be

I just read this:

http://redallovertheblog.wordpress.com/

EXTRACT:

But the best (or rather the worst) was saved till last, namely last thing Sunday when our favourite comedy duo decide this will be a good time to post another statement. “Despite speculation in today’s newspapers, there is nothing new to say.” Well :censored:

me why dont you just say something anyway ? IF there is nothing to add then why add it ? Surely they know this will just add to the unrest. Or maybe thats the aim.

“We had a good win yesterday and have got some very important games coming up starting with Porto on Wednesday, followed by Bolton and Reading, before Marseille and Manchester United in a few weeks. ” So again :censored:

all point in mentioning that then, we all get fixture lists with our season tickets so we know the games coming up, and we pay just for the privilidge of listening to another of your employees tell us that all the operators are busy.

“Both of us, together with Chief Executive Rick Parry, plan to meet with Rafa when we come over mid December to make decisions on the team’s requirements at that time.” Well Gillett and Hicks (can I call you that) if you plan to have Parry there then maybe thats the reason why the delay in the planned meeting. There was all of us thinking that Rafa was in a spot of bother, there was us thinking you didnt have faith in the manager. When all along you just needed to give Mr Parry plenty of notice so he could make sure he could fit it into his busy schedule.

by **Pedro Maradona** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:24 am

the americans are clowns, they should stick to what they now best, invading countries for oil.....we should never have been sold to them, they have no culture!

by **ivor_the_injun** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:32 am

I wonder if it's actually Parry that Rafa has the quarrel with, as opposed to Hicks and Gillett, and that he's playing the media in order to put Parry's shortcomings as a transfer negotiator front and centre.

It seemed telling to me that he dropped that bit about curlyboy being in charge of transfers into his interview the other day.

by **Raj_Xedos** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:34 am

talk sport keep saying liverpool will sack rafa and get mourhinio.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:37 am

The times

Oliver Kay
Rafael BenÍtez will not survive the power struggle at Liverpool and is in danger of being dismissed as manager sooner rather than later, having alienated the club’s American owners during a week of intense political turmoil. In a joint statement last night, George Gillett Jr and Tom Hicks denied rumours that BenÍtez had already left the club, but they made little attempt to disguise the acrimony that appears to have left his position untenable in the long term.

BenÍtez has no intention of resigning, but there is a realisation inside Anfield that his regime has reached the point of no return after a series of clashes with Gillett and Hicks, who completed a £415 million takeover in February, over the club’s transfer policy.

In the best-case scenario, he may yet see out the remainder of the season before being sacked or leaving by mutual consent, but the word from within the club is that the American tycoons have lost all trust in him after recent challenges to their authority and that, despite his popularity with supporters, his dismissal is only a matter of time. Even in the unlikelihood that he apologises, it may only postpone the inevitable.

It is an astonishing turn of events that seemed unimaginable barely a week ago, when BenÍtez rejected an informal approach from Bayern Munich. At that point, he talked of his desire to emulate Sir Alex Ferguson, the Manchester United manager, by staying in charge for 21 years, but his reign at Liverpool has since been unravelled by fallouts with Gillett and Hicks. Even close associates believe that he has made mistakes by picking fights with the pair and, in particular, by mocking their suggestion that he “focus on training and coaching” rather than try to dictate transfer policy.
It is a situation that mirrors the departure of José Mourinho, BenÍtez’s arch rival, from Chelsea in September, with the Portuguese having been accused of sealing his fate at Stamford Bridge by challenging the authority of Roman Abramovich, the owner.

Most recently, BenÍtez has taken umbrage at the insistence that all transfer negotiations be left to Rick Parry, the chief executive, and that no such talks should even take place until after their visit to Merseyside in mid-December. BenÍtez – eager to sign Ezequiel Marcelo Garay, the Racing Santander defender, and to tie up a permanent £17 million deal for Javier Mascherano – expressed disgust at the proposal and has compounded matters by suggesting that the owners do not understand how the transfer market works in European football.

After rumours swept Liverpool yesterday that BenÍtez had already left the club, Gillett and Hicks issued a statement claiming that there was “nothing new to say”, but they made no attempt to deny the tensions that exist or to give the manager any kind of public support. They said that transfer policy will be determined in mid-December, but there is a growing concern that BenÍtez may be gone before then. If not, that meeting has the makings of a showdown.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:38 am

Raj_Xedos wrote:talk sport keep saying liverpool will sack rafa and get mourhinio.

Talksport are about as reliable a source of information as my cat.

Reading the tabloids and then paraphrasing their contents on air as established fact is not exactly what I'd call a particularly accurate journalistic process.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:45 am

s@int wrote:"They made little attempt to disguise the acrimony."

"BenÍtez has no intention of resigning"

"there is a realisation inside Anfield that his regime has reached the point of no return"

"The word from within the club is that the American tycoons have lost all trust in him"

"they made no attempt to deny the tensions that exist or to give the manager any kind of public support."

So, a rehash of what we already know, beefed up with a tabloidy reading-between-the-lines of what was a very brief statement, plus a couple of guesses (ie: lies) on the part of the author.

This is why I'm not worried. The papers are getting nothing that we're not hearing ourselves from Rafa on telly or getting from Gillett and Hicks from the offal.

by **Raj_Xedos** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:45 am

ivor_the_injun wrote:
Raj_Xedos wrote:talk sport keep saying liverpool will sack rafa and get mourhinio.

Talksport are about as reliable a source of information as my cat.

Reading the tabloids and then paraphrasing their contents on air as established fact is not exactly what I'd call a particularly accurate journalistic process.

wow thats amazing....a talking cat?? what do u feed your cat??

im playing, it was ray houghton who was saying it......

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:55 am

ivor_the_injun wrote:
s@int wrote:"They made little attempt to disguise the acrimony."

"BenÍtez has no intention of resigning"

"there is a realisation inside Anfield that his regime has reached the point of no return"

"The word from within the club is that the American tycoons have lost all trust in him"

"they made no attempt to deny the tensions that exist or to give the manager any kind of public support."

So, a rehash of what we already know, beefed up with a tabloidy reading-between-the-lines of what was a very brief statement, plus a couple of guesses (ie: lies) on the part of the author.

This is why I'm not worried. The papers are getting nothing that we're not hearing ourselves from Rafa on telly or getting from Gillett and Hicks from the offal.

Jose Ramon De la Morena: I’d like to make a call to England. We have various immigrant footballers in England. We now also have two managers. Juande Ramos, at Tottenham, who by the way, got a draw at West Ham today…and Benitez, Liverpool’s manager who seems to be at odds with the owners...they have taken some powers away from him, he has complained and said that the team must be reinforced…the Liverpool owners have replied telling him to stop asking for new players and focus on coaching and on improving the results. And Benitez taking advantage of beating Newcastle 3-0 yesterday has replied himself saying that they don’t know a whole lot about this and that this isn’t like…like the NBA. And the truth is that their relationship has begun to deteriorate. And Guillem Balague was telling me that Benitez will leave Liverpool because the club’s owners no longer stand him. Guillem Balague, Good evening!

Guillem Balague: Good evening Jose Ramon

JR: Are you completely sure Benitez will leave Liverpool, likely next season?

GB: The whole saga has been rather strange. Rumours have been ongoing all day about the possible sacking today, this week or soon of Rafa Benitez and all of this would seem like a joke if it wasn’t for all the things you have already explained and because the story has been fueled by some articles in the English press like the NOTW for example that predict that possibility. So it’s clear that at least one of the owners, Tom Hicks, has been talking off-the-record that the relationship with the manager is near breaking point and that the sacking is a real possibility. As a matter of fact he’s said that it’s a fact and it’s just a matter of when.

JR: That it’s been decided and they just need to put a date?

GB: That’s what one of the owners has been telling people and there’s been so much speculation today that…

JR: Guillem, who are the owners?

GB: Tom Hicks and George Gillett. They own other soccer teams and may other businesses and that’ perhaps where the problem arises. They feel that Liverpool is another business that doesn’t require a special treatment and that the last thing they want to hear is one of their employees- they consider Rafa Benitez just another employee- protest and demand the speeding of some negotiations, to start buying and selling…

JR: What exactly is he complaining about?

GB: Well, for example he had almost closed a couple of deals for players, at zero cost, and had practically sealed two sales that would bring the club an extra €20m but even then they have not allowed him, as a matter of fact they don’t allow him right now to buy or sell players. And that has not sat well with Benitez on one side and then Tom Hicks, who knows nothing about football, has come out telling him to just focus on coaching because he’s just an employee and that’s all he needs to worry about. And that prompted, I don’t know if you’ve seen the images of the press conference on Friday where he repeated 20 times ‘I’m only here to coach my team’, a bit as a response to Tom Hicks. The relationship is very, very tense and since there’s been so much talk of Benitez’s future the club has come out with a public statement, on which I don’t think the owners have had anything to do with, but where the reports that have been coming out are neither confirmed nor denied and that in December the owners and Rafa will meet hoping that everything will be worked out…but as of right now things are not looking good

JR: Guillem Balague, Good evening in Londres

GB: Good evening.

Ripped from RAWK

by **Pedro Maradona** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:55 am

this is not good, im worried, we have sold the soul of the club to two very out of touch americans who have no idea about football, europe or the traditions of Liverpool Football Club. What Liverpool dont need is these two idiots meddling in how to run a football club. Rafa should be left to do what he does best, e has a long term plan, he is the expert and if he needs new players then he should be left buy them, arent these two clowns supposed to be billionaires? I thought money was no object?
as for mourinho i wouldnt want him, he would be a short term fix and do you think he would want to work for those out of touch fools who live on a different continent. he had to deal with one megalomanic in abrahmovich already i dont think he wuld like these clowns. These americans are in it for one reason ...money...nothing else. Im fed up with worrying about it all, The silence from Gillett and Hicks is deafening, Parry as usual is nowhere to be seen.....Rafa must be fed up to the back teeth of as this. I for one dont blame him.
Go home americans we dont want you!

by **puroresu** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:00 am

I dont think they would sack rafa but he could walk. Rafa isnt afraid to to stick to his guns and walk away.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:10 am

I personally think he will stay until the meeting in December,he is not going to throw £6million pounds away, and neither are they going to happily pay £6million pounds to sack him. I think a deal will be made and a statement of "by mutual consent" will be issued, similar to what happened at Chelsea. All the morning papers seem to agree that its just a matter of time now. "RAFA BENITEZ was a dead man walking last night after Liverpool’s American owners lost faith in his ability to bring the title back to Anfield. Daily Express.

I find it very difficult to imagine how this situation could blow over. I cannot remember any manager having a similar problem with a club and then matters being resolved. Temporary stays of execution, yes (Harry Redknapp Portsmouth first time for example) but the axe always comes down in the end.

We have sold our soul and now we have to pay the price in blood.

by **Kharhaz** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:10 am

A lot of opinions being offered by people not related to LFC. Like it was mentioned earlier the tabloids and people in the journalism trade are having a heyday with this. From what ive heard from rafa and the owners its simply down to miscommunication and nothing can be sorted until they arrive at anfield and sit down with rafa.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:16 am

I'm starting to get a little worried, there are rumors going around that Rafa will be leaving shortly. It would probably be one of the worst days of my life when Rafa leaves.

by **puroresu** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:16 am

there is a communication breakdown but the most worrying for me is both sides continue to use the media as there platform to get there points across. Secondly after Friday I thought this was sorted until they get back from america but no both sides are still talking.

This isnt just some little thing. If it was a minor thing rafa wouldnt even brought it up in the media in the first place.

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